[情報] One scout's thoughts on Alexi Ogando

看板Rangers作者awano時間14年前 (2011/04/08 05:16)推噓13(13推 0噓 10→)

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Ogando第一場比賽投那麼好讓很多條子迷都樂翻天因為在這場比賽前不少球探報告都顯示他不是個很適合當SP的人選原因有幾個 1.Max efforts: 從轉投手以後就都是當牛的他每球出手都是很用力的丟這會影響到續航力 2.no changeup: 他丟changeup出手會變慢所以春訓到最後條子希望Ogando可以練個 SFF... 沒變速 SFF剛練基本上就只是個快速球/滑球的傢伙不過根據ESPN達拉斯的Richard Durrett報導有位不願透露姓名的球探表示 Ogando第一場比賽的確表現出了能當先發投手的能力不是只有上面敘述的武器 http://0rz.tw/AmDOE One scout's thoughts on Alexi Ogando By Richard Durrett ARLINGTON, Texas -- Following Alexi Ogando's start on Tuesday, I asked a scout (who will remain nameless) to give me his thoughts on the 27-year-old right-hander. Here goes: "He's athletic, has big arm strength and was around the plate. His breaking ball was usable, but his fastball makes everything else play so much better. You have to defend against the pure velocity and the giddyup and now when he drops that breaking ball on you, it plays better. The changeup is fine. He can speed you up and slow you down. He can flat throw the ball above the barrel." 大意: 有很棒的手臂(球速很快的意思) 把球控在好球帶邊緣變化球堪用加上速球的威力讓其他武器看起來更好變速球還可以有能力做快慢搭配(是先發投手很重要的能力) "I've seen him in the Dominican for four years and he's come a long ways. He looked like he belonged. He was composed. He controlled the game. The game didn't get too fast for him." 大意: 在多明尼加看過幾次看起來他本來就會了他很冷靜不會受到太多比賽的影響 "The slider changes shapes. It works because it gives him two different looks, but I don't know if when he has the different shapes and velocity if that's a planned attack or if he's just doing that because it's not as consistent as he wants it. We'll see how it looks in his next few starts." 大意(應該也是最重要的): 滑球會變形狀讓他便成有兩種breaking pitch(有些看起來像曲球有些像滑球) 但是不知道是不是他刻意的還是他無法讓跑的方向固定這在之後的幾場比賽應該看得出來 (插句話: 我覺得應該是刻意的因為之前的比賽沒看過他丟過那種比較慢的掉的方向比較垂直比較像曲球的變化球 ...如果他可以隨心所欲控制那是大概回不了牛棚了) "Ogando looked an awful lot like a starter. He threw 90 pitches in six innings. That's a pretty good pace first time out. I think he's a middle of the rotation starter with that stuff. I really think he's a No. 3." 大意: 看起來像個SP 節奏掌握得很好是個三號水準的stuff -- 雖然水兵打擊是不怎樣可是從球探的口中 Ogando丟的內容並不是來自水兵打擊不行是他前天真的有投出先發投手的樣子如果Ogando可以每場都拿出這種表現而不受傷他有可能是我們今年的寶持續觀察! -- ◥███◣══███◣ ════◢██ █◣╮ ╭══╮ ╭◢█ ◣╮ ║█▌◥█ ████ ◢ ◥╴ █▌ █ ╰══╯ ◣ ╰ theanswer3 ╯█▌ █║ ║█▄▄◤ █ ∕ ￣⊙ █▌ █ ██◣ ◥█◣ ◢█◣ ◢█◣ ◢ ◤║ ║█▄▄◣ ◢ █ ￣﹀ █▌ █ █▌█ █ █▌█ ███ ◢◤ ▄║ ║█▌◢█ ● █◣█ ● ∕╰┐ █ ◣ █ ██◤ ◥◆ ◥█◤ ◥▌◤ ██ █║ ◢███◤══◥█◤══════ ◥██◤ ◤ ════════════════╯ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 128.248.72.136 ※ 編輯: awano 來自: 128.248.72.136 (04/08 05:18)

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這個就要問Wash那個死腦筋了他覺得closer比五號先發重要卻不知道五號先發投好一點可以變成一號先發= = ※ 編輯: awano 來自: 128.248.223.239 (04/08 10:16)

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j兄看得很對 Ogando對他那顆變化球的控制力的確非常好所以secondary一直不是Ogando是否能當先發的問題他這點是領先Feliz的重點還是續航力跟第二顆offspeed球種的問題如果不行的話他還是個完美的closer料 Feliz對changeup的感覺比Ogando好很多 breaking ball很不穩定但是變化角度很大加上他的投球機制非常輕鬆省力比Ogando有大很多在SP成功的條件而且他又小五歲今天球隊為了今年保證在closer的位置上萬無一失寧可選擇"有經驗的"Feliz回CP 而浪費他一年練先發的機會但是去年在Feliz成功以前他前一年才在大聯盟投過幾局? 不到二十局.. 沒有理由Ogando做不到然後現在因為Hunter受傷缺了一個先發了拉Ogando不是他比Feliz好是Feliz比較好所以他要待在closer 因為"closer比一個SP重要" 這是我說他死腦筋的地方... ※ 編輯: awano 來自: 128.248.72.136 (04/08 22:48)

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特地去截了一下圖是有點不一樣尤其是手套在丟變化球的時候會打開一點在看動作細節上不行可是其他地方好像沒有變很大尤其是上面兩張? (有待高人指點) http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=awano0906&b=5&f=1347279736&p=0 去查了一下去年各隊的對戰他面對天使隊投了六場看起來並沒有熟悉了就打得比較好的現象我傾向沒有這方面的顧慮尤其並沒有聽到有這方面的球探報告不過一切很難說啦畢竟上一場是生涯第一次碰到水兵也許當先發會有差也不一定

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※ 編輯: awano 來自: 128.248.72.136 (04/09 04:30)

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