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[新聞] Sampras on who is the greatest tennis

看板Tennis (網球)作者時間12年前 (2013/09/27 17:24), 編輯推噓24(27推 3噓 47→)
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The Tennis Space Mark Hodgkinson Exclusive. Pete Sampras has told The Tennis Space that Rafa Nadal should be “ in the conversation” about who is the greatest player of all time. Sampras on who is the greatest tennis player of all time: “It’s always been so clear to me that Roger is the greatest. But I would say that, with Rafa doing what he’s been doing, he has an argument to be in the conversation. Rafa isn’t done yet. He could win more majors. He’s got a winning record against everyone that he has played in his generation. He’s won the Davis Cup, he’s won the Olympics. It’s such bar-room talk. You look at Rafa and what he has been able to do, you look at Roger and the fact that he did what he did for so long, winning all those majors. I hate talking about it. I feel as though every generation has the guy. Which generation was the best? You could talk about it all day. I just think that Roger was so consistent and so good for so long. But with Rafa, he’s sure to pass me on the list of most grand slam titles, and the question is whether he can take it further and go for that record.” -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 203.64.168.228
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09/27 17:41, , 1F
欣慰
09/27 17:41, 1F
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09/27 17:52, , 2F
17>13 bj4
09/27 17:52, 2F
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09/27 18:32, , 3F
09/27 18:32, 3F
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09/27 18:34, , 4F
其實阿格西也是一樣的意思啊 怎麼反而球迷討論這麼激烈
09/27 18:34, 4F
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09/27 18:50, , 5F
簡單說Rafa絕對是GOAT人選之一但目前還是Rogi成就較高
09/27 18:50, 5F
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09/27 18:51, , 6F
以上是把山大王的看法濃縮成一句話 @@
09/27 18:51, 6F
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09/27 23:20, , 7F
其實這種話題本來就很容易引起討論.不過仔細想想.也許該
09/27 23:20, 7F
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09/27 23:21, , 8F
等這兩位都退休了再來討論可能比較適當.畢竟沒退休前.數
09/27 23:21, 8F
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09/27 23:22, , 9F
據都有更改的可能性......不過我還真是不想看到費爸退休.
09/27 23:22, 9F
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09/27 23:59, , 10F
09/27 23:59, 10F
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09/28 02:50, , 11F
最後一句是重點 這點變數太大了阿
09/28 02:50, 11F
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09/28 11:13, , 12F
我覺得就這兩個人在爭奪，不過要等兩位都退休在來比比較
09/28 11:13, 12F
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09/28 11:13, , 13F
準
09/28 11:13, 13F
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09/28 11:59, , 14F
根本就不會有GOAT 當初我以為山大王的成就已經無人
09/28 11:59, 14F
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09/28 12:01, , 15F
能比 沒想到後面竟然又跑出個federer
09/28 12:01, 15F
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09/28 12:01, , 16F
本來以為federer已經無敵 但竟然又有個nadal
09/28 12:01, 16F
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09/28 12:02, , 17F
GOAT根本就是媒體搞出來的話題...
09/28 12:02, 17F
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09/28 12:04, , 18F
頂多就是有Great of so far而已..未來的事誰知道
09/28 12:04, 18F
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09/28 13:53, , 19F
本來就是"史上"最強啊，以後有更強的再把稱號給他就行了。
09/28 13:53, 19F
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09/28 16:24, , 20F
史上最強這稱號本來就沒有爭議，重點是後進本來就有機會
09/28 16:24, 20F
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09/28 16:24, , 21F
超越費爸
09/28 16:24, 21F
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09/28 18:57, , 22F
如果照樓上兩位所說 那這稱號都可以給Fed跟Nadal
09/28 18:57, 22F
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09/28 18:58, , 23F
甚至可以給更多人..只要誰是現任No1,就是當時的GOAT
09/28 18:58, 23F
噓
09/28 19:54, , 24F
看過費神巔峰 還會懷疑他是不是史上最強的人 唉...
09/28 19:54, 24F
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09/28 20:57, , 25F
至少紅土史上最強的人很少人會懷疑豆豆不是
09/28 20:57, 25F
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09/28 21:28, , 26F
偉大跟強又不一樣 fed的確最偉大 成就最高
09/28 21:28, 26F
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09/28 22:43, , 27F
Fed的成就還不夠全面 會被質疑GOAT是無庸置疑的
09/28 22:43, 27F
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09/28 22:46, , 28F
好想知道男網誰最全面~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
09/28 22:46, 28F
噓
09/28 22:56, , 29F
dickyman 史上成就最高跟他的戰績成就有關 跟球風無關吧
09/28 22:56, 29F
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09/28 22:57, , 30F
我經歷過費神時期04~07 確實是很強，但是要說史上最佳就
09/28 22:57, 30F
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09/28 22:58, , 31F
要比客觀的數據 不是那種看起來就最強的感覺
09/28 22:58, 31F
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09/28 22:58, , 32F
Nadal確實有機會超越費神阿
09/28 22:58, 32F
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09/28 22:59, , 33F
Y大要不要提幾個數據比比看?
09/28 22:59, 33F
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09/28 23:23, , 34F
費一堆"連續"的紀錄 數據上最好有人比得過他
09/28 23:23, 34F
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09/28 23:24, , 35F
不過成就其實看GS就夠了 只是他們把GS拿到很不值錢的感覺
09/28 23:24, 35F
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09/28 23:25, , 36F
0個GS和1個GS得比 拿過的成就絕對遠勝沒拿過的
09/28 23:25, 36F
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09/28 23:26, , 37F
不過假設哪天豆拿到18個 也不會有人覺得遠勝費的17吧
09/28 23:26, 37F
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09/28 23:34, , 38F
某y都會說交換時空納至少20GS+了 就不用跟他認真了吧
09/28 23:34, 38F
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09/28 23:50, , 39F
現在是以誰拿到最多的大滿貫 就是成就最高?
09/28 23:50, 39F
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09/28 23:54, , 40F
一般一直以來都這樣 GS對網球選手意義非凡
09/28 23:54, 40F
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09/28 23:54, , 41F
但現役同時兩人集滿全套+超過十位數 這情況就不太好講了
09/28 23:54, 41F
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09/28 23:55, , 42F
跟圍棋一樣.頭銜和世界冠軍很重要.沒人在管世界第一
09/28 23:55, 42F
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09/28 23:57, , 43F
當然兩者相比.網球的排名系統還重要一點
09/28 23:57, 43F
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09/29 00:09, , 44F
就像是即使Woz或著Safina當過世界第一，但是成就不會來得
09/29 00:09, 44F
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09/29 00:10, , 45F
比Stosur跟Kvitova好，以後大家只會記得後兩位，GS數量當
09/29 00:10, 45F
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09/29 00:10, , 46F
然是重要指標
09/29 00:10, 46F
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09/29 00:29, , 47F
現在不是在討論GOAT嗎@@ GOAT要看的東西可不只GS數量
09/29 00:29, 47F
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09/29 00:30, , 48F
fed因為與NadalH2H戰績不佳被質疑 GOAT沒那麼簡單
09/29 00:30, 48F
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09/29 00:30, , 49F
對阿~不只是GS數量，但是GS數量加權應該有70%以上
09/29 00:30, 49F
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09/29 00:32, , 50F
當然還可以看球王週數之類的，至於H2H應該要量化才能比吧
09/29 00:32, 50F
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09/29 00:32, , 51F
目前看到攻擊fed的點都是與nadal H2H戰況慘烈
09/29 00:32, 51F
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09/29 00:33, , 52F
還是覺得等2位都退休在討論吧
09/29 00:33, 52F
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09/29 00:34, , 53F
H2H是兩個人的比較，不是全世代的比較，要怎麼比也是問題
09/29 00:34, 53F
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09/29 00:36, , 54F
像小威對BammerH2H是0:2，那可以直接認為Bammer成就比小
09/29 00:36, 54F
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09/29 00:36, , 55F
威好嗎?
09/29 00:36, 55F
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09/29 00:37, , 56F
因為費納把GS拿的容易的感覺，導致令人覺得GS很好取得
09/29 00:37, 56F
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09/29 00:38, , 57F
GS有一座就很困難了，能拿10座以上根本是少數
09/29 00:38, 57F
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09/29 00:38, , 58F
費納H2H被討論這麼熱烈，是因為他倆在網壇的地位
09/29 00:38, 58F
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09/29 00:39, , 59F
以及交手場次的歷史意義以及後續影響...
09/29 00:39, 59F
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09/29 00:44, , 60F
對我來説，這兩位球王在網壇有無可取代的歷史地位...
09/29 00:44, 60F
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09/29 00:47, , 61F
我也認為其各有無可取代的地位
09/29 00:47, 61F
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09/29 00:50, , 62F
推無可取代，但是要選一葛難免會比較一些數據
09/29 00:50, 62F
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09/29 02:12, , 63F
fedirk1741 你說我嗎? 我什麼時候說過這種話我怎麼不記得
09/29 02:12, 63F
噓
09/29 02:14, , 64F
我看是不用跟你認真吧大大
09/29 02:14, 64F
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09/29 02:16, , 65F
比數據現在當然是費神勝阿 畢竟年紀比較大
09/29 02:16, 65F
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09/29 02:16, , 66F
最具指標性的大滿貫冠軍也比較多 但等Nadal大滿貫數超越
09/29 02:16, 66F
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09/29 02:17, , 67F
難道沒有機會超越嗎? 除了大滿貫 Federer有連續四強紀錄
09/29 02:17, 67F
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09/29 02:19, , 68F
+球王週數紀錄 Nadal也有奧運金牌 而且1000分大師賽冠軍
09/29 02:19, 68F
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09/29 02:20, , 69F
比較多個，現在還在持續增加中 雙方各有千秋
09/29 02:20, 69F
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09/29 02:22, , 70F
說Nadal有機會超越費神難道有錯嗎?
09/29 02:22, 70F
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09/29 04:02, , 71F
這種事 費迷當然要看開一點 當年阿山哥的球迷面對GOAT
09/29 04:02, 71F
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09/29 04:03, , 72F
被Rogi超越也是一樣的心情 Rafa真的很強 被像這樣偉大
09/29 04:03, 72F
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09/29 04:04, , 73F
的球星在未來超越 我想也沒吧 Rafa很努力 個性也很棒
09/29 04:04, 73F
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09/29 04:04, , 74F
雖然我仍希望Rogi GS數能夠不被超越
09/29 04:04, 74F
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09/29 04:54, , 75F
我指的是你上面那個ye 不好意思讓你誤會囉
09/29 04:54, 75F
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09/29 04:55, , 76F
我沒有搞錯人 只是推文看太快了~
09/29 04:55, 76F
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09/29 17:32, , 77F
喔喔 那樓上不好意思 我誤會了
09/29 17:32, 77F
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