[外電] The good and bad of Sam Mitchell

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來源: http://tinyurl.com/zg2cyg4 Trail Blazers 109, Timberwolves 103: The good and bad of Sam Mitchell 對拓荒者賽後分析:Sam Mitchell本季執教的優點和缺點 Posted by Zach Harper Posted on December 6, 2015 2015-16 Season 作者:Zach Harper The pitchforks are out. The prickly Sam Mitchell has been old school and hard-nosed during the first 19 games of his interim stint with the Minnesota Timberwolves. He gets blamed in wins. He gets blamed for losses. He gets blamed for not building upon the surprise start to the regular season that has everybody wondering just how quickly this current roster build can get to the postseason. 群情激憤。 易怒的Sam Mitchell在灰狼隊前19場的執教內容,顯現出的是守舊、固執的一面, 他贏了被罵,他輸了被罵,他開季沒有驚奇的表現被罵, 大家都在期望灰狼隊能夠儘速重返季後賽。 For those of us covering the team (more locally than afar), the dismissive nature and rudeness of his Q&A sessions is growing tiresome. Now, that shouldn ’t really have much to do with our assessment of his coaching job, but when we’re trying to figure out answers to why things go correctly or poorly and he acts like this… it leaves us up to filling in the gaps ourselves. 對於我們這些關注球隊的當地人來說,他在訪問中輕蔑和無禮的態度更加讓人厭倦。 這主要並不是我們在評定他執教上的問題,而是當我們嘗試著詢問他任何調度的思考脈絡 時,他就是這樣的態度回應... 這讓我們之間產生了裂痕。 Mitchell賽後記者會的影片Clip: http://videos.tout.com/dry/mp4/578a09c820994dfe.mp4 The question here is why did Sam take Karl-Anthony Towns out of the game with 37 seconds left and the Wolves down two. Towns’ defense has been good — not just good for a 20-year old rookie big man but good for any NBA player. When Mitchell saw Terry Stotts had replaced Ed Davis with Al-Farouq Aminu in the game, he brought Tayshaun Prince into the game to defend Aminu. The question for Sam was why take Towns out in this situation. 這個讓Mitchell不爽的問題, 是為什麼在最後37秒灰狼落後兩分的時候要用Prince換掉Towns。 Towns的防守很好,這不是說對於一個20歲新秀防守好, 而是整個NBA來看他都是防守很好。 當Mitchell看到Terry Stotts(拓荒者教練)用Al-Farouq Aminu換掉Ed Davis時, 他換上了Prince來防Aminu。 問題在於為什麼Mitchell要這麼做? Mitchell’s response of the Blazers putting a small forward (Aminu) who can dribble into the game is fine, I guess (we’ll get into that in a minute). The idea of positional boxes to put players in is a bit archaic because the attributes should outweigh the listed position on a piece of paper, but there is merit to that. It’s the way he justifies it that is disheartening. Mitchell的回應是因為拓荒者放上了一個可以運球切入的小前鋒。 這似乎很合理?(我後面會糾正此論點) 這種根據球員位置來擺放對位的方式真是有點太古老了, 球員本身的屬性、比賽的現況要比這種紙上的球員位置標記要重要多了, 但我發現這樣擺還是有優點的,這優點就是讓他可以拿來在記者會當作藉口做交代, 這真是讓人沮喪。 To then ask, “did y’all see that?” and correct Britt Robson about the Ed Davis mix-up by saying, “Before you ask me a question, make sure it’s the right question” is where you lose me (not that he would care he lost me; he once tried to kick me out of his office for asking him questions he knew I was there to ask and he agreed to answer). 他在回應後接著說「你們都有仔細看比賽嗎?」 並糾正Britt Robson說的為什麼拿Prince來防Ed Davis: 「在你問我問題前,請確定這是個正確的問題。」 這態度真是讓人不敢領教。 (當然他也不會在乎我的想法,我曾經在他辦公室問他問題時被他嘗試趕出辦公室過。) Britt got it wrong and admitted such on Twitter. But the question was valid and the reasoning doesn’t appear to have an updated scouting report on both his player and the opposing team’s player. Aminu is technically a small forward (although he’s played a quarter of his time at the 4 this season). As far as one who can dribble, he’s had 85 drives this season and taken 44 shots on those drives. He’s shooting 27.3% on these shots and has registered just 42 points because he gets to the free throw line quite a bit. That’s a horrendous level of offensive production on drives. Britt在Twitter承認自己把Aminu說成了Davis。 但這調度問題確實還是存在阿, Aminu名義上算是一個小前鋒(雖然本賽季他打了些四號位), 雖然說他可以運球切入,本賽季他切入了85次,並投了44球, 但他這些投籃的命中率僅僅只有27.3%,並只拿到了42分,因為他只有要到一些罰球。 他這切入進攻效率是相當差的。 Not to mention, if you’re going to have someone beat you, wouldn’t it be better to have them see a potential Aminu vs. Towns match-up and say, “there ’s our go-to play” instead? 更不用說,如果都是要被對方拿分, 讓Aminu跟Towns放對,然後說「這就是我們所能做的最好防守了。」不是更好? Towns is capable of staying with Aminu. Not only that, he’s also a much better rim protector than Gorgui Dieng is, despite the difference in experience. So far this season, Towns has defended 168 shots at the rim (8.8 per game) and allowed just 44.6%. Of players who defend at least 8 shots at the rim per game, Towns is the fourth best player in the league. Only Rudy Gobert (an absurd 35.7%), Brook Lopez (I have no idea), and Hassan Whiteside allow a lower percentage. Towns有能力跟上Aminu,還不只是這樣, Towns也是比Dieng好上許多的禁區防守者,即使他的NBA比賽經驗還沒Dieng多。 球季到目前為止,Towns防守了168個禁區投籃(每場8.8個),讓對手命中率只有44.6%, 這在所有每場防守至少8個禁區投籃的防守者來說,他是聯盟第四優異的, 只有Rudy Gobert(誇張的35.7%)、Brook Lopez(這我不知該說什麼)、Hassan Whiteside 這三個人限制對手禁區投籃命中率比他低。 Dieng (who I’ve been tough on but has played much better the last two weeks) allows 55.8% on 5.5 attempts per game. Of all players defending at least 5.5 attempts at the rim per game, Dieng is the sixth worst rim protector in the NBA. This isn’t a new thing, either. In the chaos of last season, Gorgui allowed 55.7% at the rim in 10.5 attempts per game. He’s simply not the rim protector we assume he’s supposed to be. Dieng(剛開季打的掙扎,但在過去兩個禮拜打得好很多。)讓對手禁區命中率是55.8%, 平均每場防守5.5球。這個數據是聯盟第六差的。 這並不是什麼新鮮事了,上個球季,Dieng讓對手禁區命中率是55.7%,平均每場防守 10.5球。簡單講,他就是個不及格的禁區防守者。 There are many issues with this possession: https://cdn.streamable.com/video/mp4/bttz.mp4 看這個連結可以了解一下這個Play到底是怎麼一回事。 Ricky Rubio does a great job of denying Damian Lillard for as long as he did, but I’m not sure you’re ever keeping the ball out of his hands there. And let’s not pretend that Towns being in the game immediately stops this shot from Lillard from 1) happening or 2) going in. But it does appear to be a strategic mistake fraught with poor assumptions made by the coach. The fact that he catches someone asking a question in a mistake or with a loophole doesn’t absolve him of his mistake. Rubio盡力把Lillard限制在外圍了,但在那個位置基本上不太可能抄掉那球。 我們不是說Towns上場就一定可以阻止那球投出或投進, 但不放Towns上場很明顯是教練策略上的錯誤。 這不是他抓住記者講錯一個人名就可以把這個錯誤抵銷掉的。 This leads to a greater question about what kind of job Mitchell has done. The majority of my interactions with fans during and after games (both wins and losses) are them killing Mitchell. He gets none of the credit for when things go well and seems to get 100% of the criticism (well, minus whatever overreaction we’re having to Zach LaVine) when things are bad. I want to start off with what Mitchell is doing correctly before we get to the problems with this team. 這也延伸出了一個更大的問題,到底Mitchell本賽季做了些什麼? 大部分我在比賽中或比賽後所接觸的球迷都說他們要殺了Mitchell。 他沒有贏的任何掌聲,所有批評都集中在他身上。 (可能要扣除掉一些對LaVine的過度反應) 因此,我想要先說一些Mithell做對了什麼事情,接著再提他做錯了什麼。 What Sam Mitchell is getting right Sam Mitchell做對了什麼? 1. The thing I’m entirely sick of hearing about is Sam Mitchell getting blamed for the team losing big leads. You’re not praising him when the team gets the big lead so don’t kill him when the team loses the lead. This is the NBA and runs happen all the time. Great teams have them and have them happen against them. This is just a part of professional basketball. 我不認為拿球隊在大比分領先下還被逆轉來責罵Mitchell是對的。 就像你不會在球隊大比分領先時讚美他一樣。 這是NBA,而這種事情是很常見的。 即使是很好的球隊也會這樣輸掉球賽,這就是職業籃球的一部分。 The Wolves are one of the best first quarter teams in the NBA. They’re tied for ninth in first quarter net rating (+4.2) with the Bucks. That’s not nothing. Mitchell has them well-prepared and motivated to play the game. There ’s no problem with admitting that’s the case. 灰狼隊是NBA第一節打得最好的球隊之一, 他們在第一節勝負分淨值(+4.2)與公鹿隊並列聯盟第九位, 這代表Mitchell讓球隊在開場前就準備好、有動力去贏得比賽,你不能忽略這個事實。 2. Mitchell has fostered an identity of being aggressive attacking the defense. This has resulted in the Wolves ranking first in free throws per field goal attempt and third in overall free throw rate. Considering the Wolves shoot 80.6% from the free throw line (only 52 teams in NBA history have done this heading into the season), that’s a big advantage for keeping them competitive offensively. Mitchell要球員打出更多的進攻侵略性, 這反映在灰狼隊是目前聯盟每次投籃獲得罰球數的第一名, 同時也是整體罰球率的第三名。 考量到灰狼隊的罰球命中率高達80.6%(歷史上只有52支球隊達到這個水準), 這對於球隊的進攻是非常有助益的。 3. The Wolves regularly play three 20-year old players and yet somehow are 14th in the NBA in turnover rate. A low turnover rate has often been a staple of Mitchell’s offenses (top 5 in all four full seasons coaching the Raptors). Teaching these guys how to value and take care of the ball is very important toward the development process, not just individually but from a team execution standpoint as well. Valuing the basketball is key toward playing a balanced attack. 灰狼隊的正常輪替中有三位20歲以下的年輕球員, 但在失誤率的排行上卻排在聯盟第14位(排名越高,失誤率越低)。 Mitchell的進攻根本一直是強調低失誤率(在暴龍的4個賽季中,都排在聯盟前五)。 教會這些年輕球員要重視每個環節、照顧好球是在發展過程中非常重要的, 這不僅是對於個人,也是對於球隊。 4. Defensively, the Wolves have played inspired basketball. It’s been a bit of a roller coaster depending on how the Wolves have played defensively when Rubio is sitting out, but they currently sit 17th in the NBA in defensive rating. That comes with a difference between Rubio on the court (defensive rating of 94.4) and Rubio off the court (106.4). The Wolves don’t foul a lot and they defend the 3-point shot pretty well. Mitchell deserves credit for those defensive accomplishments. 在防守上,灰狼隊的表現不錯,目前整隊場均失分數排行聯盟第17名。 但比較一下有沒有Rubio在場時,就像坐雲霄飛車一樣,上下變動很大, 有Rubio在時,防守淨失分率94.4,反之,防守淨失分率上漲到了106.4。 灰狼隊的犯規不多,防守三分的表現也很好。Mitchell教導的防守值得嘉許。 What Sam Mitchell is getting wrong Sam Mitchell做錯了什麼? Now let’s get to the problems of Mitchell. While I think it’s important to mention the credit Mitchell deserves (I’ve had people call him the worst coach in Wolves history which is just insulting to the legacies of Kurt Rambis and Randy Wittman), it is also important to recognize the things he does that holds everything back. 好了,我們現在來看看Mitchell犯了什麼錯。 即便我認為有些Mitchell的表現值得稱讚(當有人說Mitchell是灰狼隊史最爛的教練時, 我認為那對Kurt Rambis還有Randy Wittman是非常失禮的), 也是該看看他到底搞砸了什麼。 1. The offense is archaic. The sets are so simplistic that you really do see the individual talent of these young guys having to overcome the easy scouting to neutralize what the Wolves are running. I’ve had two different scouts and an executive tell me that if the Wolves weren’t so good at drawing fouls, they’d be down near Philadelphia as an offense. That’s not exactly a glowing endorsement of what they run. 進攻非常的老舊。 戰術非常的簡單,讓對手可以輕易識破,使得這些年輕人常常需要靠打天分球去拿分。 我聽到有兩位球探和一位球隊主管跟我說, 如果灰狼隊沒那麼會做犯規的話,他們的進攻是跟七六人一樣糟糕的。 那代表他們的進攻戰術並不怎麼可靠。 There is a real math problem with the way the Wolves play. Much like last season, when the opponent hits a 3-pointer against the Wolves, it means the Wolves likely have to score on two possessions to overcome it. Mitchell has alluded to the idea that a lot of teams don’t run plays designed to get 3-point looks. It’s 2015 and it’s embarrassing if you still have this mindset. As I pointed out in this breakdown of Andrew Wiggins as a go-to scorer on CBSSports.com (SELF-WHORING ALERT), that’s simply not true. 這是很實際的數學問題, 灰狼隊就像上季一樣,當對手投進了一個三分球,你需要花兩波進攻來追回。 Mitchell曾經提及過很多隊伍並沒有三分戰術。 天啊,這是2015年了,竟然還有人會有這種心態。 如同我在this breakdown of Andrew Wiggins as a go-to scorer on CBSSports.com中 提到的,這並不正確。 來看一下溜馬隊的三分戰術: https://cdn.streamable.com/video/mp4/lnqm.mp4 These types of plays simply aren’t being thought up for the Wolves and it puts them behind the 8-ball. They take the most midrange shots in the NBA, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing (San Antonio is right there with them) except they’re not particularly good at them. They’re 16th in the NBA in midrange field goal percentage, so what is the benefit of taking so many of them? 灰狼隊並沒有學習類似溜馬隊布置的這種三分戰術,這讓他們處於險境中。 他們在聯盟中投了最多的中距離,雖然這並不是壞事(馬刺隊也投了不少), 但問題在於灰狼隊根本不擅長投中距離。 他們的中距離命中率只排行聯盟第16名,所以投這麼多有什麼幫助嗎? The Wolves have also taken 49 corner 3-point attempts and made 18 this season. To put that in perspective, Trevor Ariza has taken 64 corner 3’s this season. Al-Farouq Aminu is just behind the Wolves at 48 attempts. Klay Thompson and Hollis Thompson have attempted 40 each. Ariza has eight more makes from the corner 3 than the Wolves have. Four players have 17 makes from the corners this season. How are the Wolves so bad at setting up what is thought to be such an efficient and easy shot? 反過來看,灰狼隊本季只投了49顆底角三分球,進了其中的18顆。 讓我們來比較一下,Trevor Ariza本季投了64顆底角三分,Al-Farouq Aminu投了48顆。 Klay Thompson以及Hollis Thompson各投了40顆。 Ariza比灰狼整隊多進了8顆底角三分,而本季另外有4個球員進了17顆底角三分球。 真是無法想像灰狼隊在佈置這已被證明過有效率且簡單的底角三分戰術有多麼差勁。 They simply don’t have the floor-spacing designed to maximize what they want to do and that’s a horrendous logistical problem for the Wolves. The Wolves are 12th in the NBA in field goal percentage, but that’s mostly because they ’re so good at the rim. Everywhere else, they’re mediocre and there doesn’ t appear to be a fix in sight. That’s why they’re 22nd in effective field goal percentage. 灰狼隊基本上沒有想辦法拉開空間以最大化他們的進攻,而這真是可怕的邏輯問題。 灰狼隊的投籃命中率排行聯盟第12名,那主要是因為他們在禁區得分把握度高。 在其他的位置投籃,他們的命中率是很普通的,而短期內看不到進步的可能性。 這也是為什麼他們在eFG%上(三分球的命中率有加成計算),只排行聯盟第22名的原因。 2. As good as the Wolves’ defense has been (relatively speaking when compared to our expectations), they’re pretty bad at defending the rim (outside of Towns). Wolves are 15th in restricted area attempts allowed per game and fifth worst in restricted area percentage allowed. They’re the fourth worst team at defending ball handlers in the pick-and-roll, which is problematic in a league that is pick-and-roll heavy. They’re bad at defending hand-offs, they’re bad at defending guys coming off screens, and they’re bad defending in transition. 雖然灰狼隊的防守不錯(至少超出我們原先的期望), 但是他們的禁區防守卻是相當糟(除了Towns之外)。 灰狼隊每場比賽在禁區被對手命中數排行聯盟第15位(被命中數越多排行越低), 同時也是在禁區被對手命中率的第五名。 他們在防擋拆的持球員是聯盟第四差的球隊, 這在目前擋拆橫行的聯盟生態中是非常大的問題。 他們守掩護、守單檔、守攻守轉換都守不好。 The majority of this (outside of the transition) is due to the defensive scheme of the Wolves going under the screen. This relates to not respecting the 3-point shot, which is just an antiquated way of coaching. You don’t have to be extreme in your love or acceptance of the 3-point line, but you should respect its effectiveness and the Wolves don’t do that by constantly going under the screen. 主要的問題在於(除了攻守轉換)灰狼隊對於單檔的防守策略是選擇往單檔者的下方走, 這是老舊的教法,因為不重視三分出手, 你不需要熱愛三分線,但你需要重視投三分的效率, 而灰狼隊對於擋拆的防守都選擇往單檔者的下方走(繞後,防切入), 而非往單檔者的上方走(繞前,防三分)。 I’d love to ask Sam about the strategy behind this, but I doubt he’d respect me or anybody asking enough to give a real answer about it. 我很想問Sam關於這個選擇的策略,但我懷疑他會願意回答我。 3. Where are the in-game adjustments? The Wolves have been good at getting leads in the first quarter. They’re also the sixth worst team in second quarters (-4.7 per 100) and the sixth worst team in third quarters (-10.7 per 100). The Wolves do a great job of getting a lot of those points back in the fourth quarter (sixth best at +7.8 per 100), but the holes they put themselves as the opponents adjust in the middle of the game put them in bad positions late in the game. 臨場調度在哪裡? 灰狼隊在第一節常常能夠保持領先, 但他們同時也是第二節表現第六爛的球隊(每得100分會被對手多得4.7分), 也是第三節表現第六爛的球隊(每得100分會被對手多得10.7分)。 第四節雖然能夠追回一點分數(每得100分,比對手多拿7.8分,聯盟排名第六名), 但由於在第二、第三節大量的被對手拉開分數,導致他們第四節很難追回來。 This also ties into the rotations and lineups Mitchell has fumbled often. I have no problem with the games in which Towns is playing poorly and gets limited time (or even no time) in the fourth quarter because of it. That can be a teachable moment for Towns. I do have an issue with Towns playing well and getting his fourth quarter minutes yanked. Even if you’re developing Gorgui Dieng in the process (which may be more important than Towns), you can actually play the both of them pretty evenly, if not at the same time. 這也跟Mitchell愚蠢的輪值、輪替有關, 我對於如果Towns表現不好時,在第四節只給他一點時間或根本不讓他上沒有意見, 但是當他打得不錯時,你不讓他上是有什麼誤會? 即便你想要培養Gorgui Dieng(可能你認為比培養Towns重要), 你也能夠讓他們兩人同時上場,要不然就是均衡的分配時間。 There’s a lot of good going on with this team and Mitchell deserves credit for it. But he’s also limiting what they’re capable of in this development season and seems to be unwilling to explain answers to the questions we have about it. This was a tough situation to take over and he’s doing a pretty solid job considering. But it can be better, it should get better, and I’m not sure it actually will. Mitchell帶這支球隊有很多好的地方值得嘉許, 但Mitchell同時也限縮了這支球隊今年的發展, 而他連對我們記者解釋這些疑惑都在不爽。 今年他接手球隊的這個處境當然是很艱難的我了解,他也進行了不錯的工作, 但這可以更好的,這本該可以更好的,而我現在很懷疑接下來是否真的能夠更好了。 You saw Saturday night the difference between a coach like Terry Stotts and what Sam Mitchell does for this team. 週六對拓荒者的比賽你可以看得很清楚Terry Stotts跟Sam Mitchell的執教功力差異。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.169.60.86 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Timberwolves/M.1449497550.A.01D.html

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12/07 22:57, 2F

12/07 22:58, , 3F
象就是一直F來F去 之前在暴龍也被球員討厭 個性太有
12/07 22:58, 3F

12/07 22:58, , 4F
問題
12/07 22:58, 4F

12/07 23:24, , 5F
看完心情更悶 這季難道就這樣了嗎= =
12/07 23:24, 5F

12/08 00:33, , 6F
現在還有那個教練可以接?McHale?
12/08 00:33, 6F

12/08 00:34, , 7F
McHale調教長人好像不錯
12/08 00:34, 7F

12/08 01:25, , 8F
常看到他在場邊生悶氣 讓對方爽爽打 不知道在銃殺虫
12/08 01:25, 8F

12/08 01:31, , 9F
公牛錫箔度?
12/08 01:31, 9F

12/08 02:21, , 10F
McHale當初就是被灰狼炒掉,應該不太可能回來
12/08 02:21, 10F

12/08 02:21, , 11F
錫箔度的球員使用方式,阿尼應該會先要求離去...
12/08 02:21, 11F

12/08 11:12, , 12F
KG在比賽中灌藍...今天卻沒有LIVE文QQ
12/08 11:12, 12F

12/08 11:36, , 13F
好想看KG爆扣喔! 不過小狼們最後關頭又軟手了
12/08 11:36, 13F

12/08 11:47, , 14F
影片板有了
12/08 11:47, 14F

12/08 11:58, , 15F
進攻真的太死板了,有Rubio這種控衛防守也不差卻沒有試
12/08 11:58, 15F

12/08 11:58, , 16F
著把pace加快,或是設計一些mo set來活絡進攻
12/08 11:58, 16F

12/08 13:48, , 17F
推!可以請問一下為什麼會說對Lavine有強烈反應嗎?
12/08 13:48, 17F

12/08 13:51, , 18F
就是很多人會罵lavine敗球吧
12/08 13:51, 18F

12/08 15:23, , 19F
Lavine的出手選擇比較有問題
12/08 15:23, 19F

12/08 17:04, , 20F
推 這文蠻中肯的
12/08 17:04, 20F

12/08 17:10, , 21F
LaVine當初的模板是像JR Smith Gerald Green 或是窮人版的
12/08 17:10, 21F

12/08 17:10, , 22F
西河
12/08 17:10, 22F

12/08 17:10, , 23F
所以他的出手選擇本來就不會太好
12/08 17:10, 23F

12/08 17:10, , 24F
況且這季有時候他的出手反而還蠻有幫助的
12/08 17:10, 24F

12/08 17:10, , 25F
再給他一些耐心吧
12/08 17:10, 25F

12/08 20:23, , 26F
Curry和Kobe出手選擇也不好 差別只在命中率
12/08 20:23, 26F
我發現我在Terry Stotts後方的誇號內寫成爵士教練... 趕緊更正為拓荒者教練。 ※ 編輯: ymhon (1.169.60.86), 12/08/2015 23:28:52

12/08 23:32, , 27F
LaVine通常是開始準了之後才會多投啦 切入finish要再多練~
12/08 23:32, 27F

12/08 23:35, , 28F
以命中率來看,LV其實不論兩分還是三分都比Wiggins要高。
12/08 23:35, 28F

12/09 11:37, , 29F
借題發揮,雖然Adelman有些老古板&操先發,不過他的系
12/09 11:37, 29F

12/09 11:38, , 30F
統養成真的是大師級的,現在看看能把當年的菜炒成那樣
12/09 11:38, 30F

12/09 11:39, , 31F
已經很厲害了,當年的球員現在幾乎是全部都很掙扎。
12/09 11:39, 31F

12/09 19:52, , 32F
想想勇士在Mark Jackson時期建立起良好的防守 進攻完全
12/09 19:52, 32F

12/09 19:53, , 33F
靠球星自己打 到了Steve Kerr才建立起高水準進攻
12/09 19:53, 33F

12/09 19:54, , 34F
現在就練防守 進攻等下一個教練吧
12/09 19:54, 34F
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