[外電] 訪談Glen Taylor：灰狼老闆迅速的獵取目標
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By Jerry Zgoda
Star Tribune APRIL 22, 2016 — 10:05PM
Q&A with Glen Taylor: Wolves owner acted quickly to land those he wanted
訪談Glen Taylor：灰狼老闆迅速的獵取目標
Only seven days after they announced they would search to fill their two most
important jobs, the Timberwolves on Wednesday moved swiftly and decisively,
giving three titles to Tom Thibodeau and Scott Layden.
在灰狼隊宣布要尋找新任教練及總裁之後僅僅七天，他們在周三迅速果斷的簽下Tom
Thibodeau 以及Scott Layden。
It was a sweeping decision that transitions the franchise from October’s
tumultuous death of Flip Saunders, its coach and president of basketball
operations, to a new day that won’t include prominently or at all the two
men — interim coach Sam Mitchell and General Manager Milt Newton — who
guided the team through such a trying time these past six months.
這是一個大搬風的決定，去年10月球隊總裁Flip Saunders溘然長逝的混亂中，球隊任命的
臨時主帥Sam Mitchell及臨時總經理Milt Newton都不再續任。
Wolves owner Glen Taylor — who also owns the Star Tribune — discussed where
his team has been and where it is headed, now that it has hired former
Chicago Bulls coach Thibodeau as coach and president of basketball operations
and San Antonio Spurs assistant GM Layden as general manager.
灰狼老闆Glen Taylor(同時擁有本文報社：Star Tribune)，討論了球隊現況以及未來，現
在已簽約Tom Thibodeau為新任總教練及籃球事務總裁，並簽約馬刺助理總經理：Scott
Layden為新任總經理。
Q Happy belated 75th birthday. Was the timing a coincidence or a present to
yourself?
Q：75歲生日快樂！請問這個時間點簽下新教頭是巧合還是你給自己的生日禮物？
(註：4/20是Taylor的生日，同天搞定Thibs及Layden的合約。)
A Thank you. I’m really happy with this. This was my birthday present, one
of them, a big one. I had talked to quite a few people, had all my work done.
Then I called these two guys [Wednesday] morning and said, ‘OK, this is the
day, let’s finish it today or not, one way or the other.’ So they knew it.
We worked on it all day, got it done kind of late but we got it done.
A：謝謝你。我真的很高興。這是我的生日禮物之一，非常大的生日禮物。我與幾個面試者
談過，完成了所有面談。最後我決定在周三早上打給這兩個人，然後我說「好了，是時
候了，讓我們今天把簽約搞定吧。」他們就懂了。我們整天都在弄簽約的事情，弄得很
晚，最後終於完成。
Q Why is [Thibodeau] the right guy?
Q：為什麼選了Thibodeau？
A There’s never one reason. I liked his answer to one of the first questions
I asked: What are the things most important to you? The first thing he said
was, ‘I want to be the coach of an NBA championship team. That’s my goal in
life.’ Then we talked about his life and how it’s so much about basketball,
how hard he works at it. He has friends and all that, but he just said this
is very important to him. So I say, ‘OK, we start with that. This guy is
probably going to outwork anybody else I know.’
A：這個問題有很多原因，我很喜歡他在一開始其中一個問題的回答，那個問題是：「對你
而言什麼事是最重要的？」他最開始說的是「我想要當一個NBA總冠軍教頭，那是我人
生的目標。」接著我們談了他的生活，與籃球相當的緊密，他非常投入籃球工作。他當
然有朋友、社交圈，但他就是表達了籃球對他的重要性。所以我說「好，我認為這個人
會比任何人做的都要好。」
Q When Flip took over both coaching and management jobs, you were reluctant.
Has your opinion on that changed or did doing that again get the deal done?
Q：當Flip同時簽約教練及管理層的工作時，你那時是不太情願的。是否你的看法已經改
變？還是只有這樣做才能簽的了Thibs呢？
A It’s the way to get the deal done, but the arrangement isn’t so much that
Thibs is going to run everything. I hired him as coach, but I said we’re
going to hire a really strong GM. They understand it’s a partnership; it’s
written into their contracts. It isn’t the same as Detroit’s [with coach/GM
Stan Van Gundy] or anybody else. The two of them signed on the same day, for
the same length and they are hired as a team.
A：只有這樣做才能簽的了Thibs，但是我們的安排是Thibs不會去處理所有事情。我視他為
教練，我跟他說我們會另外簽一個真正的GM。他們了解這是一個合作關係。這寫在他們
兩人的合約中。這與活塞的SVG不同。他們兩人同一天簽下，合約一樣長，他們是被雇
用為一個決策團隊。
Q So who determines what?
Q：所以誰要做決定？
A On some decisions, Thibs will have the final say and on some decisions,
Scott will have the final say and we have it all written down. The ultimate
goal is, it doesn’t pay to do something if the other guy is going to block
it. I’ve seen this work and used in business if you can get the right guys.
They’re friends, they respect each other. They both have said it’s highly
unlikely that one will have to make a decision over the other.
A：有一些決定，Thibs有最終決策權，另一些則是Scott，這些都白紙黑字寫在合約中。最
終目標是，如果其中一人不同意，那麼這件事就不會進行。我在商業上看過這樣的做法
，只要你能找到正確的人們。他們是好朋友，尊重彼此。他們都說幾乎不可能做出凌駕
於對方的決策。
Occasionally, somebody’s got to make a decision, right? We’ve set up a way
to do that and who will call it and it isn’t the same person in all cases.
Thibs has the [president’s] title. I understand that. It was important to
him, it wasn’t important to Scott. You’ll find out Scott is a strong
personality himself, and he wouldn’t come here if he thought he was too much
of a second fiddle. As Scott explains it to me, this is how it works in San
Antonio. Pop [Spurs coach Gregg Popovich] doesn’t stand up and say, ‘This
is what we’re going to do.’ Scott said they’re very much a consensus group.
有時候，有人總必須要負責做決策，對吧？我們已經設定好一個進行的方式、由誰來進
行，這不會都是同一個人負責。我了解Thibs有總裁的頭銜，這對他重要，但這對Scott
不重要。但你會發現Scott有很強烈的性格，如果他認為他只是來當個副手，他是不會
來的。Scott跟我解釋，這就是馬刺隊運行的方式。Pop不會說「就照著我說的辦。」
Scott說馬刺是有一個決策團隊而非一個人說的算。
Q How much of your search was influenced by discussions you had with Flip
when you both were looking for a coach two years ago?
Q：你的決策是否受到兩年前與Flip商討教練人選的影響？
A I would say a good part. We talked about Thibs and [ESPN analyst Jeff] Van
Gundy and others and he shared with me what he liked about guys and what he
didn’t like. An impression had been left in my mind and I can recall all of
it, what he thought of people. What I’ve done this year, we probably were
going to do it anyway. Flip loved coaching, but he didn’t necessarily have
to coach. He knew long-term I didn’t want him to coach. I wanted him to run
the team for me.
A：我會說這佔了一大部分。我們討論了Thibs、JVG還有其他人，他跟我分享了他喜歡誰、
討厭誰。因此我心中留下了印象，他怎麼想的我都記的很清楚。我今年做的事，如果
Flip在世，也是會這麼做。Flip喜歡執教，但他不是必須要教。他知道長期來看我不希
望他當教練，我希望他為我管理這支球隊。
Q Tom was fired in Chicago after five successful seasons there. What did he
say when you asked him why?
Q：Tom在五個成功的球季後，被公牛開除。他怎麼跟你談這件事？
A I’m not going to go into detail, but I talked to him about that because I
didn’t exactly know what happened. When he explained it to me, I understood
and I thought there were reasons for that not to happen here and I felt
comfortable that he wanted to build a good, long-term relationship with
ownership, with other managers. So I felt good about that. I told him most of
my career I’ve had really good relationships with the people I have worked
with. When I write it down, this is really important to me, that I like the
person and that we can communicate.
A：我不會把細節說出來，但我確實問了這個問題，因為我不知道發生什麼事。當他跟我解
釋後，我了解了，而我認為那不會在我們這裡發生。我也對他希望與老闆、經理建立良
好、長期的關係感到滿意。我跟他說，我的職業生涯都跟工作夥伴保持著良好的關係。
當我把這部分記下來時，發現這對我而言很重要，我喜歡這個人，我們能良好的溝通。
Q How much did his defensive-minded nature appeal to you?
Q：他的鐵血防守有多吸引你？
A He indicated it’s not only about defense. Yes, he knows defense, but he
talked about all parts of basketball and what you have to do to get a
championship team. He talked about cutting back on shots that aren’t high
percentage, about the importance of threes now, how the game is changing. He
talked about small-ball. He just talked about a lot of things. I could see
he has a lot of flexibility within him, and I liked that because it is
changing.
A：他說這不僅僅只有防守。當然他懂防守，但他談論了籃球的所有層面以及你如何打造一
支冠軍隊伍。他談論了如何壓低對手投籃命中率、現代三分球的重要性、比賽的改變。
他談論了小球。他談了很多。我能夠看到他有很多招數變通，我很滿意，因為現代籃球
打法一直在改變。
Q Will his coaching staff include an offensive specialist?
Q：他的助教群會包含一個進攻專家嗎？
A We talked about that. He wouldn’t call a guy an offensive coordinator.
Obviously, there will be somebody who’s very good with offense, but he
believes a good coach needs to know both sides.
A：我們談論過這個，他不會稱一個助教為進攻助教。顯然，有些人是比較擅長進攻，但他
相信好的教練需要同時了解進攻及防守。
Q Tom coached Kevin Garnett three seasons in Boston [as an assistant]. Will
this decision affect whether KG plays another season or not?
Q：Tom在Boston教過KG三個球季，這會影響到KG下季是否留下來嗎？
A I can’t answer that. They have respect for each other, so that’s good.
Thibs questioned whether he’ll play and I said you better ask him. I don’t
know. So I think we’re right back to how are KG’s knees and legs? And I
told Thibs I don’t have the answer.
A：我無法回答這個問題。他們尊重彼此，這是好事。Thibs問過我KG下季是否留下，而我
跟他說你最好自己問他看看。我不知道。我們會觀察KG的膝蓋和腳的狀態，所以我跟
Thibs說我無法回答。
Q What did Tom tell you about his year away from the game?
Q：Tom怎麼跟你說他在過去一年沒當教練時做了什麼？
A He called it his sabbatical. I think it was 13 teams he went and spent time
with, watching their practices, how they do things. He didn’t come back and
say, ‘I saw this great big thing somebody is doing that’s tremendous.’ But
he told me he saw lots of little things that he can incorporate into his
system or his practices. I liked that. I like a guy who is out there and
aggressive and went to other teams and watched them.
A：他說這是他的休假。我認為他利用這段時間去拜訪了13支球隊，觀察他們的訓練，看事
情是如何進行的。他並沒有說「我看到某支隊伍做了一件很棒的事情。」但是他告訴我
，他看到很多小事情可以讓他整合入他的系統、他的訓練。我喜歡他這麼說。我喜歡教
練願意積極的觀察、學習其他球隊。
Q He was known in Chicago for playing his players a lot of minutes, too many
minutes. Does that concern you?
Q：在Chicago，他被認為是有點過度使用球員，你會擔憂這件事嗎？
A I talked him about that and he said, ‘Talk to my players and ask them.’ I
did not do that directly. I did that through some other people.
A：我跟他談論了這件事，而他說「可以問問我教過的球員。」所以我是透過其他人輾轉得
知對這件事情的看法。
Q Did you find Tom as focused on basketball as he’s sometimes portrayed?
Q：你認為Tom是別人眼中的那種籃球狂嗎？
A I know a number of business people like that, in other careers. I didn’t
find that unusual. There are just people in society that are just intense on
whatever they’re working on. I’m fine with that. I like it mostly if they
work for me because they’re tough people to compete against.
A：我知道有些其它領域的商業人士也是這樣的。我不覺得這有什麼大不了的。在社會上就
是有人專注在他工作的領域。我完全沒有意見。我喜歡這種人幫我工作，因為這種人是
相當有競爭力的。
Q The speed with which you moved probably surprised people. Had you decided
early who you wanted or did you do that to beat the competition in the search
for coaches?
Q：你這次下決定非常的快速，有點嚇到大家，是因為你早就有欽定人選，還是因為你怕被
其它球隊搶人？
A It was both. In fact, I said I wouldn’t make an announcement until the
season was over, but I had made up my mind before the season was over that I
had to do this. I was going to do this. I was prepared to move, but I also
knew I needed to interview a lot of people and I knew the people I wanted to
interview were going to be sought by other teams. Therefore, I didn’t want
to get left behind. I jumped on a number of guys and talked early, so I was
confident nobody was going to take another job without finding out first
where they stood where with us. Everyone I talked to thought that this would
be a great opportunity for them.
A：兩者皆是。事實上，我說過我不會在球季結束前宣布要找新教練，但我早在球季結束前
我就下定決心要這麼做了。我準備好要做更動，但我也了解我必須要面談很多人，而我
想面談的人也會被其他球隊鎖定。所以，我不想落後其他隊。我提前鎖定了幾個人，並
早早跟他們談過，我有信心沒有人會在我們之前搶下這些目標。每個跟我談過的人，都
認為這份工作是對他們而言非常美好的機會。
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Thibs是今年MIT Sloan SPORTS ANALYTICS CONFERENCE會議的Hack-a-Stat座談會成員，
(連結：http://www.sloansportsconference.com/?p=18312%5C )
座談會有包含討論一個叫Catapult biometrics的裝置(穿戴式裝置，可以監控球員的移動
以及疲勞程度分析)，這種分析法在聯盟中目前也是開始在採用，而Thibs去年走訪13支球
隊，剛好利用這個機會觀察其他球隊怎麼運用。他拜訪的球隊也包含馬刺隊，馬刺算是這
方面的翹楚，也希望Layden可以帶來馬刺這方面的更具體的作法。(畢竟他在馬刺當了四年
的助理GM)
當然最希望的還是Kander留下，在Thibs任教第四年時，公牛另外聘請Jen Swanson擔任運
動傷害控制的決定者：包含上場時間、能否上場跟練球，避免Thibs過度使用球員。希望
Kander能扮演類似Swanson的角色。
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補充一下，Thibs自己的說法是：
Often criticized for playing his starters too much, he answered Taylor’s
inquiry on that matter by telling him to speak with former players. On
Thursday, he said his Bulls players’ minutes compared to others at their
position in the league.
“Some of it is more myth than fact,” Thibodeau said. “If you dig deeper,
you will see that. A lot of other guys play a lot of minutes.”
他認為這是迷思大於事實，認為聯盟還有很多球員打很長的時間。
來源就是下面那篇文章：http://goo.gl/9xlKTN
感覺是有可能繼續操，所以Kander這類運動傷害管理師出來制衡還是很重要的。
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