[轉錄][外絮] Vince Carter，下一站名人堂？

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1Dd9XnOW ] 作者: cat0806 (Cater) 看板: NBA 標題: [外絮] Vince Carter，下一站名人堂？時間: Thu Apr 7 00:44:31 2011 Next great HOF debate: Vince Carter? 前言：Vince Carter will likely end his career with a scoring total that's greater than many current Hall of Famers, but that probably won't be enough for a Hall of Fame nod. 前言：當Vince Carter職業生涯結束的時候，他的得分將會比大部分的名人堂成員還高，但這可能還無法打動名人堂的評委們。 Now that the Hall of Fame has corrected its most grievous sin of omission and elected the great Artis Gilmore, we’ll have a short break before the next intense debate over the qualifications of a true superstar-level player — or at least a guy perceived as a true superstar-level player. That debate will come in earnest when Vince Carter becomes eligible, though it has already been going on for a while. 名人堂已經改正了他們最嚴重的錯誤，就是把偉大的Artis Gilmore給選了進來。接下來，讓我們喝口茶休息片刻，繼續爭論下個明星級球員，或者，曾經是明星級。這場爭論，將從"半人半神"Vince Carter進入候選名單開始拉開序幕。儘管早就已經開始了......。 Even figuring conservatively, Carter is going to finish with a career point total in at least the 22,000 range, and when you get up that high, you’re dealing with nothing but Hall of Famers and future shoo-ins. He’ll probably settle in somewhere between Larry Bird (No. 32) and Elgin Baylor (No. 27) on the all-time scoring list, ahead of Hall of Famers Hal Greer, Bob Pettit, Walt Bellamy, Scottie Pippen, Earl Monroe, David Robinson, Magic Johnson, Dennis Johnson, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Dave Bing, Lenny Wilkens, Kevin McHale, Dennis Rodman and others. 保守估計，Carter退役時生涯得分至少有22000分，當一個球員取得如此成績，什麼獎項都不再是問題，除了名人堂之外。 Carter最終生涯總得分很可能介於Larry Bird (第32) & Elgin Baylor (第27)之間。但這樣就已經超越了名人堂成員Hal Greer、Bob Pettit、Walt Bellamy、 Scottie Pippen、Earl Monroe、David Robinson、Magic Johnson、Dennis Johnson、 John Stockton、Chris Mullin、Dave Bing、Lenny Wilkens、Kevin McHale、 Dennis Rodman等人。 Carter figures to end up right there on the scoring list with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, two contemporaries almost certain to get in. If Carter doesn’t make it, he’ll hold the title for at least a long while of Highest ABA/NBA Scorer Not in the Hall of Fame. Carter自己則認為當他退役時，總得分將與Ray Allen & Paul Pierce這兩位同時代，且幾乎篤定進名人堂的球星並列。如果Carter最終無緣進入名人堂，那他將會是非名人堂成員裡生涯總得分最高的，這紀錄也許將會被保持相當長的時間......。 The election of Chris Mullin in the Class of 2011 holds promise for Carter’s candidacy. Of the previously mentioned Hall of Famers who have fewer career points than Carter, almost all of them were very good at something other than scoring. Included are some of the best point guards of all-time, a bunch of ace rebounders and a few defensive studs. Carter, like Mullin, is mostly a scorer who provides passing as a secondary skill. He puts up decent assist numbers for a shooting guard, but his passing mostly involves kicking the ball out when defenses loaded up on him to contain his scoring. That’s an important skill for a scorer, but it’s not as if Carter has ever pulled off passing with a high degree of difficultly or facilitating like Jason Kidd. 2011年Chris Mullin進入最後階段的投票倒數時，這也給Carter帶來了希望。先前提到很多名人堂成員生涯得分比Carter少，但是他們都在其他方面有著出色表現。其中有史上最好的PG，很多籃板狂人，還有一些專職防守的王牌殺手。而Carter就像C.Mullin一樣，是個得分好而傳球只是輔助技能。像他這樣的SG沒有場均送出10多個助攻的能力，可是他在受到包夾的時候都能將球很好地轉移出去。那對於一個得分手是很重要的，但畢竟，他的傳球不像Jason Kidd那樣具有高難度和滲透力。 But don’t overlook how incredible Carter was as a scorer. Go through his stats on 82games.com, and you’ll see his teams consistently score nearly 10 more points per 100 possessions with him on the floor. This happened every season, even on the post-Tracy McGrady Raptors, and even when Richard Jefferson missed significant time for the Nets in 2006-07. Sure, the crummy benches in Jersey and Toronto provided a bit of a boost to those on-court/off-court numbers, but those are huge numbers, and few players produce them year after year, regardless of context. In his prime, Carter helped his team’s offense a ton. Rodman just got in based on monster career achievements found mostly at the defensive end; isn’t Carter the opposite sort of candidate? What’s the difference between Carter and Mullin? 可我們仍然不能低估Carter難以置信的得分能力。在《82games.com》上，你會看到他的數據，他在場上時球隊每100個回合可以多得將近10分。每個賽季都是如此，包括與 Tracy McGrady一起在暴龍的時候。而06-07籃網時期，Richard Jefferson缺席了大半賽季。可以肯定的是，籃網和暴龍不爭氣的板凳席只能為球隊做出有限的貢獻，所以Carter的能力更顯得彌足珍貴。很少有球員可以做到像Carter那樣，年復一年，不論任何環境都能在進攻端發揮極大作用。在Carter的巔峰時期，他對於球隊的進攻有著巨大的幫助。如果Dennis Rodman是防守端的怪物，難道Carter就不能因為在進攻端的表現成為候選人嗎？看看Carter與Mullin，何其相似阿！ (It is here that I should note that the Hall of Fame is, of course, not an NBA-only Hall of Fame and can thus take into account a candidate’s play in college and elsewhere. That obviously helps Mullin quite a bit, given his outstanding record at St. John’s and his place on the original Dream Team.) (編按：這裡我要特別說明，名人堂評選並不僅限於NBA成績，大學時期或其他地方的成就都會被列入考慮。聖約翰大學的成名及夢幻一隊成就讓Mullin獲益良多。) Mullin was perhaps a more clever and natural passer, but his and Carter’s assist numbers are similar (about four per 36 minute), and Carter assists on a higher percentage of his team’s baskets. Neither is much of a rebounder or defender. They are in the Hall of Fame conversation, basically, because they score at an elite level. Neither has much of a playoff resume. Carter had never been to a conference final before last season, when he played some of the worst ball of his career against the Celtics and bricked two crucial free throws in Orlando’s series-turning home loss in Game 2. Mullin made back-to-back conference finals with the Pacers in the late 1990s, though he played a much smaller role in the second of those series – in 1999, against the Knicks. Mullin可能是一個更傳統且聰明的傳球好手，但他和Carter的助攻數非常接近（每36分鐘，約4個助攻），Carter的助攻很大部分都來自隊友投籃。他們都不擅長籃板和防守。如果他們進入名人堂，毫無疑問是因為他們巨星級的得分能力。且他們都沒有太多季後賽的榮譽。 Carter在上個賽季前從沒有打過東西部的決賽，而且在對塞爾提克系列賽中表現不佳，在系列賽第二場錯失兩個關鍵罰球，導致了球隊的失敗。90年代末期Mullin在溜馬連續兩年打進東部決賽，但在第二年（1999對尼克）他的角色已不像第一年那麼重要。 Both have baggage, though Carter’s might be the sort that is fatal to a Hall of Fame candidacy. Mullin struggled with alcoholism, but he was a gym rat who worked tirelessly at his game, played hard for his team and used basketball as an escape from everything else. Carter indisputably quit on the Raptors in 2004-05 after becoming fed up with the front office, only to suddenly play like his old self upon a mid-season trade to New Jersey. It is almost inconceivable that this Toronto roster could ever score nearly 10 fewer points per 100 possessions with Carter on the court before the Raptors surrendered and dealt him to the Nets. But that actually happened, and Carter ’s blatant tank job will rightfully taint his legacy. 兩人同樣都曾被交易過，但是Carter的交易可能就是他能否成為名人堂候選人的決定性關鍵，Mullin酗酒，但他卻是個在比賽中不知疲倦為何物的球員，他努力為球隊做出貢獻，把籃球當做逃離一切的方法。而Carter在對管理層不滿後，消極打球的態度直到賽季中被交易至籃網，2004-05年毫不猶豫的離開了多倫多。在高層“屈服”前，不可思議的是像Carter這樣的球員在場時，球隊每100個回合得分下降近10分。但這確實發生了， Carter這樣公然的消極態度將成為他職業生涯的污點。 So will the perception that he has failed, repeatedly, in the clutch. That perception doesn’t quite stand up when you broaden the definition of clutch (as the site 82games.com has) to include the last five minutes of games in which the scoring margin was within five points. Carter fares quite well by this measure, but I’d wager most fans would consider postseason performance to be more important than what a player does in the last five minutes of a game in March. 另一種說法是，Carter總是在比賽關鍵時刻消失在場上。當你將關鍵時刻定義為比賽最後 5分鐘，而場上分差在5分以內時，這種觀點就站不住腳了。Carter的數據可以很好的證明。但我打賭大多數的球迷覺得季後賽的表現更為重要。 And it is there that Carter falls short. He was decent for the Raptors in the 2000-01 playoffs, though one miss at the end of Game 7 against the Sixers has overshadowed everything else he did during that brief run. And he was fantastic for the Nets in 2005-06. Beyond that? Carter has shot 41.5 percent overall in the playoffs and 31.5 percent from deep, down from 44.5/37.4 in the regular season. His performance against Boston in the biggest series of his life: 13.7 points on 36.7 percent shooting from the field and those two ultra-costly free-throw misses. 而這也正是Carter的缺點。2000-01賽季將暴龍龍隊帶進季後賽，在半決賽與七六人決勝的第7場錯失絕殺，掩蓋了他對球隊的貢獻。之後05-06年Carter在籃網擁有了一個夢幻的賽季，除此之外呢？Carter在所有的季後賽裡FG為41.5%，三分命中率31.5%，而例行賽有 44.5%的命中率，三分命中率為37.4%。在與波士頓的關鍵系列賽中，場均13.7分，36.7% 命中率，還錯失2個關鍵的罰球。 Carter has a couple of intangibles going his way: He’s perhaps the best dunker ever (and that matters in a pop culture sense), and he made the Raptors successful when it was unclear whether they would sustain in Toronto. Those things wouldn’t matter to me if I were voting, but this Hall of Fame’ s selection process has been hard to figure for years. 對於進入名人堂，Carter還有兩個容易被忽略的有利條件。也許他擁有最華麗的扣籃（對流行文化來說），還有在暴龍猶豫是否繼續留在多倫多之時，他帶領暴龍取得了成功。雖然說如果我是評審委員，這些事情對投票來說不會有影響，但是對於這些年的名人堂選擇還是很難說的。 My guess is that Carter – barring a late-career resurgence – is in serious danger of being left out of Springfield. And that strikes me now as a fair resolution. 我猜想，除非Carter在生涯後期打出自己代表作，不然將很可能成為名人堂遺珠之憾。在我看來這個打擊卻是公平的一個詮釋。 http://is.gd/c1CPEZ -- ＶＣ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.138.56 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 180.218.196.150