Re: [新聞] 小史獲Tommy John病患最大約 達比修有能?已回收

看板Baseball (棒球)作者 (Creep)時間10年前 (2016/05/11 10:16), 編輯推噓20(20041)
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: : 隨著醫療技術進步,手肘韌帶置換手術成為最高效率的治療方式,投手甚至因韌帶重建經 : 過完整的休養和復健,針對小肌肉進行強化,所以球速可能比開刀前更快。 : 推 Thanatosone: 我要表達的是 以前很多人動完韌帶重建就掰了 05/11 01:01 : → Thanatosone: TJ發明了這套開法 用置換的方式 就不再那麼可怕了 05/11 01:02 不是TJ發明的 是Dr. Frank Jobe發明的 : → Thanatosone: 而且越來越多例子是 術後速度比術前還快 05/11 01:03 : → Thanatosone: 但那都只是被媒體突顯的案例 真正掰掉的應該50-50 05/11 01:04 : 推 Valter: 速度提升通常是術後高強度復健菜單所致 05/11 06:35 : 推 mightymouse: 速度提升是跟原本那個快廢掉的韌帶比,新的韌帶再怎 05/11 06:45 : → mightymouse: 麼強也不會比原本的(假設是全新門過度使用的)要好 05/11 06:45 這裡有很多錯誤觀念 1.開TJ會讓成績更好 2.開TJ會讓速度更快 這兩個都是錯的 這是大聯盟對於Tommy John手術FAQ http://m.mlb.com/pitchsmart/tommy-john-faq/ 第八題跟第九題就開門見山的跟你說開TJ不會讓成績變好也不會讓速度變快 8. Does Tommy John surgery improve performance? No. 35% of parents incorrectly believe that overall pitching performance would be enhanced following surgery (Ahmad et al.). While there are notable instances of players improving following surgery, the most optimistic expectation for a pitcher undergoing Tommy John surgery is that the procedure allows the player to return to his previous level of performance. In fact, two recent studies have shown that players returning from Tommy John surgery tend to follow the typical aging pattern for players without surgery. 9. Does Tommy John surgery improve pitching speed? No. 53% of college athletes incorrectly believe that pitching speed would improve following Tommy John surgery (Ahmad et al.). Similar to overall performance, players do not throw harder after Tommy John surgery than they did before the procedure. Most doctors have concluded that in cases where pitchers who have thrown harder post-surgery, it was predominantly due to the quality of their rehabilitation and improved strength and conditioning. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 128.42.71.215 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Baseball/M.1462932995.A.A97.html

05/11 10:18, , 1F
這就像說車子撞完後,修好會比原來更好開一樣
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國際觀哥如果看不懂89英文不要餵狗 站內小弟 我幫你翻
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05/11 10:19, , 3F
完全忽略之前車難開,是因為車體撞歪了的原因
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05/11 10:19, , 4F
這時要請流言終結者用 C4來幫大家解答了
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05/11 10:19, , 5F
哭哭了 快去複習全民英檢
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05/11 10:19, , 6F
您認真了
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05/11 10:24, , 7F
文章代碼(AID): #1Jmu1bJl (MLB)
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05/11 10:24, , 8F
謠言止於智者
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05/11 10:24, , 9F
MLB哪篇不錯
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05/11 10:31, , 10F
簡單來說 就是單純把手肘修復到受傷之前的水準而已
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05/11 10:32, , 11F
因手肘之前就已經受傷 球速下降 TJ後手肘修好 球速只是
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05/11 10:32, , 12F
快用C4來驗證一下流言終結
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05/11 10:32, , 13F
恢復到受傷之前的水準 所以才會讓人有球速變快的錯覺
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05/11 10:47, , 14F
倒覺得不是這樣。李振昌的確比之前更快了
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05/11 10:47, , 15F
比較像 你本來那條最強就是145KM速度 你要是換條
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05/11 10:48, , 16F
極限可以到150速度的韌帶 那就會有150了
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05/11 10:48, , 17F
有點類似改車的感覺0.0a
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05/11 10:48, , 18F
照本板板友的講法只要找IBB葉修一下球速都會多10m,只是
05/11 10:48, 18F

05/11 10:48, , 19F
遇到強打還是要IBB。也不管別人的記錄,不管棒球的精神
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05/11 10:50, , 20F
怎麼還是有人有換完會更快的錯覺
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05/11 10:51, , 21F
都講幾次換韌帶不會球速更快
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05/11 10:52, , 22F
信者恆信吧~也不知道李振昌開刀前的極限是不是已經
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05/11 10:52, , 23F
李振昌開刀前後均速沒差好嗎
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05/11 10:52, , 24F
傷了~李振昌傷後的確變快
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05/11 10:53, , 25F
什麼叫信者恆信 都有論文討論這些了
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05/11 10:54, , 26F
變快是1.用爛掉的韌帶本來就投不快 2.充分休息 狀況很好
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05/11 10:54, , 27F
看德州怪博士也只是幫葛格找回球速 球速要增加哪有
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05/11 10:54, , 29F
這麼簡單 以為打電動逆
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05/11 10:56, , 30F
一年空白是能讓有些人練更壯或姿勢改更順暢 所以變快
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05/11 10:56, , 31F
李振昌開刀前均速是93-95開刀後變92-94
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05/11 10:56, , 32F
哪有均速變快。
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05/11 10:57, , 33F
他開刀前最快98 開刀後最快97
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05/11 10:58, , 34F
從均速跟極速都沒變快啊
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05/11 10:58, , 35F
1.是恢復正常 2.實際用下去久了就會變慢了
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05/11 11:00, , 37F
他開刀的前一兩年均速更快 有94-97
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05/11 11:03, , 38F
就像鄉民很愛講明顯開刀後變快的陳偉殷 他動刀後也算
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05/11 11:04, , 39F
大修姿勢過
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05/11 11:04, , 40F
TJ就是把手臂reset至接近原廠狀態啊
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05/11 11:05, , 41F
陳偉殷開刀後變快是因為他韌帶爛很久了
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05/11 11:05, , 42F
只是修到他開刀前兩年的速度
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05/11 11:06, , 43F
我記得MLB板好像有這篇的全文翻譯
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05/11 11:07, , 44F
不是全文翻譯 是那篇paper的翻譯 前面有人給了
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05/11 11:07, , 45F
waiting0801的推文
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05/11 11:08, , 46F
喔喔 看來是我記錯
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05/11 11:10, , 47F
陳偉殷動刀前沒丟過150 怎麼是回到開刀前兩年的速度?
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05/11 11:11, , 48F
和田毅的韌帶到底爛多久啊..還沒去大聯盟速度那麼慢
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05/11 11:12, , 49F
mlb的韌帶接給鄉民 還是投不出150呀
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05/11 11:13, , 50F
他剛到日本就丟150了
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05/11 11:14, , 51F
我記錯了 只有148
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05/11 11:17, , 52F
陳偉殷開刀是疲累性骨折吧
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05/11 11:17, , 53F
http://goo.gl/1KtRuV 陳偉殷 2005年丟148 2006開刀
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148是當時個人最高
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05/11 11:18, , 55F
陳也順便開TJ
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05/11 11:36, , 56F
這篇訪問Frank Jobe的也有說一下 #1Gwb-1tS (MLB)
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05/11 11:37, , 57F
是因為休息,加復健加強了相關肌肉群,使原本投球機制更
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05/11 11:37, , 58F
有利
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05/11 11:49, , 59F
陳偉殷開完刀也長壯超多,可能這個也有差?
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05/11 17:42, , 60F
就是125縮缸換58.5的概念
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05/14 18:53, , 61F
這世界上本來就不可能有啥正常手術開了球速變快吧 = =
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