[分享] 紅襪內部矛盾:培養、故事哥、Driveline

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蠻特別的是紅襪打者好像不太買帳Driveline https://reurl.cc/Z2lNKV Under Bloom and Breslow, however, the philosophy shifted. With a greater emphasi s on metrics, roster flexibility, depth and matchups, the organization moved tow ard a more measured, process-driven approach, one that also coincided with a red uced appetite for spending. 在Bloom與Breslow的領導下,球隊的理念出現轉變,更加重視數據、名單靈活性、深度與對 戰策略,組織逐漸走向更審慎、以流程為導向的運作方式,同時也伴隨著支出意願的降低 That left Cora frustrated, sometimes using his phrase "the roster is the roster" during press conferences to signal his dissatisfaction. 這讓 Alex Cora 感到挫折,他有時在記者會上用「名單就是名單」這句話來表達自己的不 滿 Instead of relying on established stars at set positions, Cora was tasked with m aximizing the entire roster, one he felt at times was either too young, lacked t alent or both. 不同於依賴固定位置上的成熟球星,Cora被要求最大化整體名單的價值,而他有時認為這套 陣容過於年輕、缺乏天賦,或兩者兼具 Consider the last couple of years, for example. 以過去幾年為例 The front office was bullish on former Red Sox infielder David Hamilton during h is time with the club, believing his speed, defensive versatility, overall athle ticism and underlying metrics made him a clear asset. 紅襪管理層在David Hamilton效力紅襪期間對他評價相當正面,認為他的速度、防守多功能 性、整體運動能力以及進階數據,都讓他成為明確的資產 Perhaps even more so than Story, a former All-Star in the latter stages of his c areer. 甚至在某種程度上,他們對他的看好程度可能還超過生涯後期的前全明星球員 Trevor Stor y But some on the coaching staff viewed Hamilton as a flawed player, one with tool s but lacking feel for the game. Internally, there was a belief he could develop into an everyday player, though questions remained about whether that would hap pen in Boston. 但教練團中有些人認為Hamilton是一名有缺陷的球員,雖然具備工具,但缺乏比賽感覺,內 部普遍認為他有機會成長為日常先發球員,但是否能在波士頓實現仍存疑 The front office, though still confident in Hamilton, traded him to the Brewers during the offseason. When he returned this month and played well against the Re d Sox, the front office again began questioning the coaching staff's development al process with younger players. 儘管管理層仍對Hamilton有信心,球隊在休賽季還是將他交易至釀酒人,本月他回來對戰紅 襪並表現出色後,管理層再次開始質疑教練團在培養年輕球員方面的流程 "Why do a lot of players go to other places and get better?" one source said of the questions being asked. "Why do other guys come here and get worse?" 「為什麼很多球員去了其他地方後會變得更好?」一位消息人士談到內部提出的疑問時表示 「為什麼有些球員來到這裡反而變差?」 From the front office perspective, the program lacked structure and was not cond ucive to consistent player development. 從管理層的角度來看,整個培養體系缺乏結構,無法有效促進球員穩定成長 That, however, was disputed by others familiar with the situation, who pointed t o the development of Romy Gonzalez, Rob Refsnyder and Jarren Duran, among others . 不過熟悉內情的其他人士對此說法提出反駁,並指出Romy Gonzalez、Rob Refsnyder以及Ja rren Duran等人的成長案例 "We've gotten the most out of guys," the person said. "Players leave here and ge t paid." 「我們已經把球員的潛力發揮到最大」該人士表示 「球員離開這裡之後還能拿到大合約」 After nearly being out of the league entering 2022, Refsnyder signed a one-year, $6.25 million deal with Seattle for 2026. 在2022年球季開始前幾乎無球可打的 Rob Refsnyder,如今已與西雅圖簽下2026年一年625 萬美元的合約 A growing disconnect 逐漸擴大的分歧 The disconnect on the field circles back to Story. 場上的分歧問題,最終又回到 Trevor Story身上 There were those in the organization who believed Story was past his prime and n o longer capable of being an everyday impact player. 球團內部有些人認為Story已過巔峰期,不再具備成為每日先發、具影響力球員的能力 Even in a 2025 season in which Story started slow but finished with 25 home runs and 96 RBIs, the front office was not fully convinced, pointing to underlying m etrics that suggested the production was not sustainable. 即使在2025球季,Story開季低迷但最終繳出25轟、96分打點的成績,管理層仍未完全信服 ,並指出其進階數據顯示這樣的產出難以持續 Alex Cora initially used Trevor Story in the No. 2 spot in the lineup this seaso n. Getty Images 本季一開始,Alex Cora 將Trevor Story安排在打線第二棒 This year, when Cora moved Story into the two-hole, the decision raised question s internally. 今年當Cora將Story排在第二棒時,這個決定在球團內部引發了質疑 His struggles, though, eventually led to Cora dropping him in the order. 然而他的低潮表現,最終讓Cora將他往後段棒次調整 "I still think he's an everyday player," one source said. But some in the organi zation disagreed with that evaluation. 「我仍然認為他是每天都該上場的球員」一位消息人士表示,但球團內部也有人不同意這樣 的評價 Bad start in Beantown 波士頓開季低迷 https://i.imgur.com/WSJLwuz.jpeg
The Red Sox have adopted elements of the Driveline methodology in both their pit ching and hitting programs, hiring its founder, Kyle Boddy, to a special adviser role. 紅襪在投打兩端都引入了Driveline的訓練理念,並聘請創辦人Kyle Boddy擔任特別顧問 Pitching coach Andrew Bailey, a close friend of Breslow's, is heavily involved i n that approach, emphasizing data-driven concepts and throwing hard in the strik e zone. 投手教練 Andrew Bailey(與Breslow關係密切)深度參與這套體系,強調以數據為導向, 以及在好球帶內強力投球 But the hitting approach was met with some pause, given the roster construction. John Soteropulos was promoted to Red Sox hitting coach after Cora's firing. His background is rooted in Driveline. 但考量到現有陣容結構,打擊端的策略則引發了一些疑慮,John Soteropulos在Cora被解職 後升任打擊教練,其背景同樣來自Driveline體系 Breslow and Driveline emphasize pulling the ball in the air, but some in the org anization questioned whether that approach fit the current group of hitters. Breslow與Driveline強調將球拉打並打向空中,但球團內部有人質疑這樣的打法是否適合目 前這批打者 "If we're telling the truth, a lot of the [young guys] don't buy into any of tha t shit," one person familiar with the situation said 「老實說很多年輕球員其實並不買帳這一套」一位知情人士表示 Inexperience within the coaching staff was also cited as a concern. While Drivel ine's impact is growing across the sport, some questioned whether the experience level of those implementing it aligned with the demands of major-league roles. 教練團經驗不足也被視為一大隱憂,儘管Driveline在整個棒球界的影響力持續擴大,但有 人質疑實際執行這套體系的人,是否具備符合大聯盟要求的經驗 The fallout between Cora and the organization had been building for some time, a nd the slow start only magnified the disconnect and accelerated the decision. Cora與球團之間的裂痕其實已累積一段時間,而開季低迷只是放大了這種分歧,並加速了最 終決定的到來 "I think Craig's back is against the wall," said one source. "If he's going to g o down, he's going to go down his way. That's what this is all about." 「我認為Craig已經被逼到牆角了」一位消息人士表示 「如果他要倒下,也會用自己的方式倒下,這就是整件事的核心」 The players, though, are left to pick up the pieces, still trying to process wha t happened. 然而球員們只能收拾殘局,仍在試圖消化發生的一切。 "I had five guys text me, 'what's the game plan today?'" said one former staff m ember. 「有五個球員傳訊息問我:『今天的比賽計畫是什麼?』」一名前教練團成員說 Breslow and his group will now have to provide it 而現在,這個答案將由Breslow與他的團隊來給出 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 61.230.136.224 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Baseball/M.1777301758.A.A13.htmlzxc906383:轉錄至看板 MLB 04/27 22:56

04/27 22:59, 1小時前 , 1F
有責無權 有權無責
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04/27 23:01, 1小時前 , 2F
A-Rod跟99還有一堆強打者比較建議不追求仰角 最近安可那發
04/27 23:01, 2F

04/27 23:02, 1小時前 , 3F
就很標準全壘打是安打的延伸 主要你看各個強打教學共通點
04/27 23:02, 3F

04/27 23:03, 1小時前 , 4F
要求確實擊打球 (YT好幾個 算是最共通的 仰角就...嗯)
04/27 23:03, 4F

04/27 23:11, 1小時前 , 5F
都飛球革命了還有不追求仰角的?LA Sweet-Spot%列爽的?
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04/27 23:11, 1小時前 , 6F
紅襪問題比想像中大多了 總管先炒掉啦
04/27 23:11, 6F

04/27 23:12, 1小時前 , 7F
紅襪打者你不吃Driveline沒關係 問題是團隊進攻排27
04/27 23:12, 7F

04/27 23:12, 1小時前 , 8F
怎麼看都是制服組/教練/球員溝通都有問題吧
04/27 23:12, 8F

04/27 23:13, 1小時前 , 9F
紅襪近幾年的交易看起來都不怎樣
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04/27 23:15, 1小時前 , 10F
有文章也有提到質疑 丟掉木屐這塊基石 結果論來看4>1
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04/27 23:16, 1小時前 , 11F
就傳統保守派鬥輸了而已 沒跟上趨勢就是戰力被拉開
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04/27 23:16, 1小時前 , 12F
Roman Anthony擊球數據是很強 但是都在地上滾 不知道是不
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04/27 23:16, 1小時前 , 13F
是被要求拉打飛球 才讓狀態不好
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04/27 23:18, 1小時前 , 14F
所謂飛球革命那套也一直都有檢討的聲音,先不用當做神來
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04/27 23:18, 1小時前 , 15F
信奉
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04/27 23:19, 1小時前 , 16F
請問什麼是driveline?
04/27 23:19, 16F

04/27 23:20, 1小時前 , 17F
美國私人棒球訓練機構之一 目前最大宗 他們家的加重球
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04/27 23:21, 1小時前 , 18F
利多
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04/27 23:21, 1小時前 , 19F
謝謝cc大
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04/27 23:21, 1小時前 , 20F
如果有慢壘要速成打擊三個月內要比賽的 我都推薦練打那個
04/27 23:21, 20F

04/27 23:24, 1小時前 , 21F
我以為在版上知道driveline是什麼已經是常識XD
04/27 23:24, 21F

04/27 23:26, 1小時前 , 22F
仰角還是很重要 比都往地上打還好
04/27 23:26, 22F

04/27 23:29, 58分鐘前 , 23F
連球都打不到 教練革命
04/27 23:29, 23F

04/27 23:31, 56分鐘前 , 24F
什麼年代了還在純粹追求仰角,球路辨識能力不佳,揮
04/27 23:31, 24F

04/27 23:31, 56分鐘前 , 25F
棒延伸力道不足,往上撈就變成打到球上緣鳥滾一堆,
04/27 23:31, 25F

04/27 23:31, 56分鐘前 , 26F
或者被變化球騙到一堆揮空。
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04/27 23:31, 56分鐘前 , 27F
洗碗伯 塔克老師 都揮棒軌跡哪裡有刻意撈往天上打
04/27 23:31, 27F

04/27 23:32, 55分鐘前 , 28F
這隊怎麼每隔幾年就會有這麼多故事,Netflix不考慮拍
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04/27 23:32, 55分鐘前 , 29F
個好幾季嗎
04/27 23:32, 29F

04/27 23:34, 53分鐘前 , 30F
希望內鬥凶一點 有人被送走 把機會給鄭 能升上來(會不會想
04/27 23:34, 30F

04/27 23:34, 53分鐘前 , 31F
的太美好)XDDD
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04/27 23:34, 53分鐘前 , 32F
他們誰鬥輸我都覺得ok 只要不可調和就好XDD
04/27 23:34, 32F

04/27 23:35, 52分鐘前 , 33F
只能說仰角或飛球革命不一定適合每位選手 像大谷就
04/27 23:35, 33F

04/27 23:35, 52分鐘前 , 34F
很適合 raw power夠 仰角拉起來形成長打機率自然就
04/27 23:35, 34F

04/27 23:35, 52分鐘前 , 35F
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04/27 23:36, 51分鐘前 , 36F
其實前兩年紅襪打擊還行 今年整個崩盤
04/27 23:36, 36F

04/27 23:37, 50分鐘前 , 37F
看起來跟什麼訓練無關,管理層跟教練團在內鬥
04/27 23:37, 37F

04/27 23:37, 50分鐘前 , 38F
呃 DriveLine並不是一昧追求仰角,也不是一昧鼓勵拉打
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04/27 23:37, 50分鐘前 , 39F
好嗎…
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04/27 23:40, 47分鐘前 , 40F
netflix一定覺得可惜了,早知道就多拍個幾季,每年都
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04/27 23:40, 47分鐘前 , 41F
可以製造抓馬
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04/27 23:40, 47分鐘前 , 42F
好奇NF後來還有再跟拍嗎
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04/27 23:40, 47分鐘前 , 43F
不然找3J回來帶球隊好了,喝啤酒吃炸雞打電動,爽爽
04/27 23:40, 43F

04/27 23:40, 47分鐘前 , 44F
過文化,起碼話題性十足,戰績什麼的就不管了
04/27 23:40, 44F

04/27 23:41, 46分鐘前 , 45F
天道紅襪 紅襪釋迦 紅襪人生 寇拉與DriveLine
04/27 23:41, 45F

04/27 23:44, 43分鐘前 , 46F
把宗哲升上去吧
04/27 23:44, 46F

04/27 23:46, 41分鐘前 , 47F
宗哲要看現任教練給不給,而且他下放權剩一次+紅襪左傾問
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04/27 23:46, 41分鐘前 , 48F
題 他要競爭的是IKF,最快的方法就是季中直接當包裹賣了
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04/27 23:46, 41分鐘前 , 49F
沒啦前年出了紀錄片已經結束了 看不出個所以然 2004
04/27 23:46, 49F

04/27 23:46, 41分鐘前 , 50F
逆轉好看多了
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04/27 23:47, 40分鐘前 , 51F
這球隊真是有趣
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04/27 23:47, 40分鐘前 , 52F
前年也是不知道在打什麼
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04/27 23:48, 39分鐘前 , 53F
拿Hamilton做舉例也不對啊,今年在酒人成績也不怎樣 前一
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04/27 23:48, 39分鐘前 , 54F
個愛將刀背B在日職,兩個都Cora愛將 都很沒說服力
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04/27 23:53, 34分鐘前 , 55F
樓上說的是Delbec嗎
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04/27 23:54, 33分鐘前 , 56F
先打準打強吧‼
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04/28 00:03, 24分鐘前 , 57F
還是一句戰績不夠抓馬來湊
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