Re: [轉錄][轉錄][今日] 洋基同意球員參賽 棒協: …

看板CMWang (王建民 - 大樹哥)作者 ( )時間17年前 (2008/09/12 15:22), 編輯推噓8(8017)
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※ 引述《chunkae (.....)》之銘言: : 我比你更早說出ERC這種東西,那為什麼我不願意去找ERC? : 因為我根本就認為只拿一種數據 : 就來判定一個球員整體表現很搞笑的 : 就像你評估打者,你會只拿AVG就來扯嗎? : AVG只能表現出他的安打能力,而且還不一定準呢,LD%過低搞不好是假貨 : ERC就純粹只能說明失分率而已 (我沒說ERC沒用) : 想說你龜了那麼久可能會有整體表現的評估方式,害我特地來看 : 結果勒,又是一樣只能評估單方面的數據,加油好嗎? : 而且ERC會比ERA高,你把持平的數字訂在3.5 : ERA你訂在3.0,你以為MLB是青棒聯盟嗎?還3.0勒 : 你去看看有幾個人在這數據之下 : 差距0.5也是你訂的,都給你爽就好了阿,我不能訂1喔 : 而且說會影響季賽這種話就只有你這種王迷在講 : 不就是想盡任何鳥話想證明王去投一球手會斷掉等等的 : 然後最愛把別的球員踩低低,甚至連會影響股票這種話都說出來 : 你剛好就是這種人,很愛找不知所謂的東西來呵護著王 : 不過昨天我在某篇文章說這句話時,當時二篇被M的股票文突然失蹤XD : 既然我認為無法判斷是否影響,我何必花一堆時間去弄一個無意義的東西 : 就算弄出來,還不就只能自慰說有影響XD 真的蠻好笑的認為WBC有影響的隨便找也一堆 最好拿這一直攻擊王迷 http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5054 Pitcher IP PECOTA Actual ER +/- --------------------------------------------------- Relievers 323.7 3.82 4.14 +12 Starters 737.3 4.24 5.49 +104 Total 1061.0 4.10 5.08 +115 http://www.baseball-analysis.com/article.php?articleid=5060 I think there is a little bit of denial going on here. The starting pitchers involved in the World Baseball Classic posted a 5.49 ERA over more than 735 collective innings in April. This is a very strong fact. That is a lot of performance, equivalent to three or four full seasons worth of performance for a durable starting pitcher. If you took a pitcher with a 4.24 ERA (the weighted average PECOTA projection of the WBC starters) and had him throw 735 innings in a Diamond Mind Baseball simulation, the odds of his finishing with an ERA of 5.49 or higher over that stretch would be many thousands to one against. Even a simple binomial distribution tends to support this. The odds of 19 of a group of 26 pitchers coming out on the high side of their weighted mean PECOTA projection on the basis of randomness alone are about 200-to-1 against. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20060813/ai_n16650069 WBC taking the blame for injuries, high ERAs -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 210.64.169.238

09/12 15:24, , 1F
wbc這時間辦真的很鳥...
09/12 15:24, 1F

09/12 15:27, , 2F
不過kuo當年打完後,春訓威到不行..季末又轉sp...果然是奇才
09/12 15:27, 2F

09/12 15:28, , 3F
有人進步.有人退步.然後你只拿退步的來屁?
09/12 15:28, 3F

09/12 15:28, , 4F
那沒参加又退步的勒?你要怎麼解釋?
09/12 15:28, 4F

09/12 15:29, , 5F
有人就挑自己想看的嘛 呵呵
09/12 15:29, 5F

09/12 15:31, , 6F
最好裡頭沒包含表現比較好的人 呵呵
09/12 15:31, 6F

09/12 15:32, , 7F
有好有壞.然後你拿變壞的說有影響?
09/12 15:32, 7F
在來一個好了 http://firetorre.blogspot.com/2006/04/wbc-and-pitching-part-2_24.html # Of the 103 pitchers who qualify for the ERA title, 24 went to the WBC # A pitcher who went to the WBC is 10% less likely to be doing well, and 10% more likely to be performing poorly. # Of the 42 pitchers who are struggling, 31% went to the WBC. # If no pitchers went to the WBC, and trends existed at the same rate of non-WBC pitchers, 37 pitchers would be struggling. # If no pitchers went to the WBC, 27 pitchers would be exceeding expectations, two more. # Roughly the same amount of WBC and non-WBC pitchers are performing as expected ※ 編輯: cardfat 來自: 210.64.169.238 (09/12 15:34)

09/12 15:33, , 8F
我可不可以說有参加反而更強?可以嗎?可以嗎?
09/12 15:33, 8F

09/12 15:35, , 9F
那也可以拿沒參加變濫的出來講 XD
09/12 15:35, 9F

09/12 15:37, , 10F
有参加的有爛有好.沒参加的也是有爛有好.
09/12 15:37, 10F

09/12 15:38, , 11F
老愛拿這講不就是借題發揮而已.跟說王會影響股票一樣
09/12 15:38, 11F

09/12 15:40, , 12F
部分假設的 也拿出來說嘴 事前諸葛嗎 跟大預言家沒兩樣
09/12 15:40, 12F

09/12 15:41, , 13F
最好裡頭沒包含表現比較好的人 第一個link點了沒?
09/12 15:41, 13F

09/12 15:41, , 14F
實在超級好笑, 你貼的下面那篇明明正反意見都有....科科科
09/12 15:41, 14F

09/12 15:43, , 15F
WBC taking the blame for injuries, high ERAs 你是看了沒
09/12 15:43, 15F

09/12 15:46, , 16F
"Injuries happen all the time," Martinez said
09/12 15:46, 16F

09/12 15:49, , 17F
不好意思才一屆我本來就不做評判
09/12 15:49, 17F

09/12 15:49, , 18F
"而且說會影響季賽這種話就只有你這種王迷在講"
09/12 15:49, 18F

09/12 16:40, , 19F
2F舉錯例了吧,最後受傷了
09/12 16:40, 19F

09/12 16:48, , 20F
怎麼一堆酸民在王版呀...到底是要爭什麼..看了很煩
09/12 16:48, 20F

09/12 18:02, , 21F
因為有少數王迷覺得除了王之外 國內球員都是垃圾的樣子
09/12 18:02, 21F

09/12 18:15, , 22F
那可以寄信給"少數王迷"定孤支,八字沒一撇就搞成這樣
09/12 18:15, 22F

09/12 20:19, , 23F
還沒吵完阿...
09/12 20:19, 23F

09/13 12:06, , 24F
一群無聊的鄉民跟酸民 吵這個有意義?
09/13 12:06, 24F

09/13 12:06, , 25F
這個討論串可以砍掉了啦 都廢文
09/13 12:06, 25F
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