[閒聊] Mailbag: Sorting out Edmonds trade

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http://0rz.tw/9b3ut Mailbag: Sorting out Edmonds trade 聊聊Ed的交易 Could you please tell me what the Cardinals get out of the Jim Edmonds deal? Any person to at least play in the Minors is incredibly talented, but I just don't see what the Cardinals are getting in David Freese. Please explain this deal. -- John H., St. Louis 問:請你告訴我紅雀對於Ed交易案的想法。有人在農場打得很好，但我就是不懂換來David Freese到底有什麼好處。麻煩幫我解釋一下這個交易。 Obviously, when a true franchise icon is dealt for someone that most fans have never heard of, it's going to be the No. 1 topic in e-mail, on radio, on message boards, everywhere. And that has definitely been the case with the Edmonds trade. 答:很明顯地，當一個球隊的萬人迷被拿去換來一個名不見經傳的球員，這必定會成為最多人的疑問。而Ed毫無疑問就是這種事件的主角。 There are a lot of factors, so let's break it down some. First, it's very important to note that the player the Cardinals traded is not the same player who was an MVP candidate and a true star of the game for most of his tenure. Due to injuries and age, Edmonds just isn't the impact player he once was. So while his historic and emotional value to the Cardinals is absolutely indisputable, you can't trade historic and emotional value. 有很多因素啦，所以我們分開來談。首先，我必須要強調的是Ed已不再像從前是位MVP 候選人也不再有明星級身手了。他因為受傷以及年邁的關係不再是位重量級巨星了。而由於他在紅雀的紀錄以及情感價值這麼的深植聖路易民心，我們是無法送走他對我們的貢獻的。 That's not in any way to diminish what Edmonds has meant to the franchise. He's a better Hall of Fame candidate than some give him credit for, as one of the great offensive and defensive center fielders in the history of the game. Whatever may be said about his current value, it's with the full acknowledgment that his career accomplishments are truly something special. 並沒有任何事能夠撼動Ed對我們的貢獻。他是史上攻守俱佳的中外野手，完全是個名人堂絕佳的候選人而並非像某些專家給予較低的評估。無論近年來的表現飽受批評，他生涯的成就絕對是非常優秀沒話說。 But at this point in time, the Cardinals had a 37-year-old player showing signs of serious decline. That's how other teams look at Edmonds, regardless of how much he accomplished in St. Louis. So there was no serious chance of getting an impact starting pitcher, a big bat in the Major Leagues now, or anything like that. 然而此時，37歲的Ed呈現嚴重退步的趨勢－這就是其他隊對於Ed的看法，儘管他對於聖路易有著巨大的貢獻。因此，我們無法用Ed去交易來好的先發投手或是強打者。 Freese is an interesting player, but he needs to get going quickly. He's hit everywhere he's gone in the Minor Leagues, but at the same time, he's also been old for his level at every stop. Ideally, he'll start at Springfield and make it to Memphis this year. Freese是位不錯的選手，但他可得加緊腳步了。他在小聯盟1A打擊表現相當不錯；但他對於這層級來說也太老了。他明年最好是能夠從2A起步且還能攀升到3A。 But the fact is, whatever Freese may do, this deal was less about him and more about the center-field situation in St. Louis. First, Edmonds requested a trade because he saw that he was likely to be a part-time player this year. Second, given his recent performance, the truth is that his replacements are likely to equal or better his production this year. 然而無論Freese表現如何，這件交易追根究底是攸關紅雀的中外野位置而非他。首先， Ed希望被交易是因為他似乎不能在紅雀隊當個全職選手。再來就是依據他近來的表現，明年極有可能被他的替代選手追上甚至是追過去。 Now I am officially sad. Edmonds was my favorite player. Are the Redbirds now in rebuilding mode, with dealing Jim and trying to get rid of Scott Rolen, or are they just clearing up some cash to make a big deal? Please tell me what your opinion is, of what's going on. -- Pat R., Huntington, Ind. 問:現在我很難過因為Ed是我最喜愛的球員。如今紅雀是因為處於重建階段，送走Ed後還想要送走Rolen，還是因為只是想清出一些薪資空間來完成某個大合約?請告訴我你對於後續發展的意見。 This is the hardest question to answer, not only for an outside observer but for the team itself. But the fact is, at this point the Cardinals are at least admitting that there's not a lot out there that makes sense for them in terms of big names for 2008. I'm of the opinion that as far as the big-name players that they missed out on already, in most cases they were either wise to stay away or actually couldn't have matched the offer. 答:不管是球評專家或是球隊本身都很難回答這個問題。然而事實顯示此時紅雀也承認無法獲得優秀選手來在08年幫助他們。依照我的看法，紅雀無法獲得他們是因為當中有些人還未成為自由球員而另外一些則是我們無法提出好的條件來換到他們。 General manager John Mozeliak continues to preach patience, and until we all see what the club fields on Opening Day, I think it's fair to grant that patience. The Cardinals are undeniably in a position where they're making up for some questionable contracts, and their flexibility is limited. GM John Mozeliak持續等待下一步，我們直到開幕戰才會知道球隊完整的陣容，而我想這個等待是合理的。不可否認紅雀可能簽了一些有問題的合約，而且也使的球隊發展性受到限制。 Are they rebuilding? No. Are they committing every possible resource to putting the best possible team on the field for Opening Day 2008? No, because in this market, doing so would be crippling to future teams. 那他們是在重建嗎?答案是"不"。那麼他們現在在尋找任何可能去打造08年的最佳陣容嗎?答案也不是。因為在今年的市場消費會破壞我們球隊的未來。 In the end, I believe that they're trying to balance the two, to the extent that you can do that. They're keeping their ears open for the big acquisition that could help win in 2008, but they're not going to make that acquisition at the expense of harming the team in the long run. Giving up a ton of prospects for a fading star (like Miguel Tejada) doesn't make sense, and neither does overcommitting to a good-but-not-great starting pitcher. 最後，我相信紅雀正盡最大的可能去平衡這兩種模式。他們持續探求在08年可以給予協助的選手，但也不會因為這些選手而去傷害球隊的未來。他們不會像太空人一樣為了 Miguel Tejada這種正在退化的明星而丟掉一堆新秀；也不會花太多心思與那些差強人意的先發投手簽下大合約。 As a result of decisions made over the past couple of years, the current situation is a tough one. It may take much of 2008 to put the franchise back in the position where it's used to being. 而由於過去兩年的一些決策，現在球隊狀況極為棘手。這也可能使得紅雀在08年大多數時間處於後段班的位置。 With Edmonds gone, who do you think the Cardinals will tab as their center fielder? As much as I like Colby Rasmus, I don't think he's quite ready for The Show. And, who are some names that the Cardinals have been considering to sign through free agency, and what are some trades that they have been considering? -- Jacob S., Crane, Mo. 問:Ed走後，誰會是紅雀明年的中外野手?我很欣賞Colby Rasmus(>///<)，也因此我覺得他還不適合上大聯盟。那麼自由球員市場上有誰會被考慮?又或者是交易來某位球員? The day the Edmonds deal was finalized, I asked basically this very question to both Mozeliak and manager Tony La Russa, and understandably they had somewhat different answers. 答:當Ed的交易確認後，我就向Mo還有La Russa問過這問題了，想當然爾他們有著不完全相同的答案。 From the organizational perspective, according to Mozeliak, Rick Ankiel currently stands No. 1 on the center-field depth chart. But as anyone who follows La Russa knows, he prefers not to guarantee jobs to much of anybody, with the exception of his biggest stars. So La Russa said on Saturday that while Ankiel is a serious candidate, Skip Schumaker will be considered for time , and Ryan Ludwick will as well. He didn't mention Brian Barton, but you'd have to think that Barton will be in the mix also. Rasmus will play in Spring Training and will get a chance to shine, but he'll probably start at Triple-A Memphis before making a midseason arrival in St. Louis. 根據Mo的說法，從球隊組織的觀點來看，Ankiel是中外野手的第一人選。但熟悉 La Russa的人都知道，當沒有適合人選時，他是不會傾向於某特定選手的。因此在星期六他說雖然Ankiel是個不錯的人選，但Schumaker和Ludwick也都還有機會。Barton雖然沒被提到，但他也會是一個選擇。Rasmus會參加春訓並有可能發光發熱，但他還是比較可能從3A出發並在球季中段升上大聯盟。 The Cardinals will consider pursuing a short-term bridge in center field, but it's not likely that they will add somebody. Even following the trade, this is one area where the club is very deep. 紅雀可能會考慮買個短期打工的中外野手，但這是比較不可能再增加人手了。即使是透過交易，紅雀的外野也是處於人數爆炸的情況了。 The Mitchell Report has left me slightly confused. As we all know, earlier in the year, Ankiel's name was related to HGH use, but he was not penalized by MLB . Is the information in the Mitchell Report the same (or at least related) to the information that we already knew? How will this affect Ankiel's relationship with the Cardinals? Finally, have there been any adverse effects on other players and their respective teams (release, fining, etc.)? Love the mailbag, one of my favorite parts of StLCardinals.com; that, and seeing a win under last night's game. -- Travers W., Alton, Ill. 問:Mitchell Report讓我有點困惑。就像大家知道的，季初Ankiel被傳出涉及使用人體生長激素，雖然他也沒有被MLB處罰。Mitchell Report裡面的報告跟我們已知的是一樣的嗎?這會影響Ankiel與紅雀隊的關係嗎?最後一個問題，這是否已經對某些選手產生不良影響或是被他們的球隊解約或者罰款? Regarding Ankiel, there was really nothing new in the report that wasn't already public. The purchases are pretty well documented, but MLB decided -- evidently based on the time frame of the events -- that Ankiel should not be penalized. When the report came out, it had unearthed nothing new on Ankiel, so his status regarding the HGH situation should be unchanged. 答:Ankiel這部份就像大家已知道的，有完善的證據顯示他有購買過。但是MLB是根據事發時間來決定的，也因此Ankiel並不會遭受懲罰。報告公佈後，沒有新的問題發生在他身上，所以他使用人體生長激素的後續處理方式並不會改變。 As for other players, we haven't seen any disciplinary action taken to this point. It will be something to watch as far as how clubs and MLB handle the various revelations. 至於其他選手，我們還沒看到任何處置動作。未來還要看各球隊及MLB會如何處理這些複雜的情況。 Mr. Leach, first-time caller; long-time listener. Due to a VERY annoying blackout of the Cards in Indy, I don't get to watch them as much as I would like. That qualification notwithstanding, I don't get it. Every time I saw Brendan Ryan play, he really looked like he was coming along. Is finishing the year at a .289 average that bad? It seems as though everyone is dismissing him as a possibility at shortstop or second base for next year. At his price tag, why isn't Ryan receiving more consideration? -- Gabriel H., Indianapolis 問:我每一次看到Brendan Ryan打球時，就覺得他看起來持續在進步。一整年下來打擊率 .289會是很糟的數字嗎?好像沒有人把他考慮為明年的游擊或是二壘人選。既然他很便宜，為什麼不把它列入考慮呢? What Ryan actually accomplished in '07 is hard to dismiss. He hit .289/.347/ .406, stole seven bases in seven tries and played sometimes impressive though occasionally erratic defense. His place on the '08 team seems secure, but I believe that the staff saw those erratic tendencies and were hesitant to commit to him as an everyday player at second or short. 答:Ryan在07年的成績很難被忽視。他去年三圍是.289/.347/.406，七次盜壘全部成功，有時防守很好有時卻很不穩定。他08年在紅雀佔個位子應該是肯定的。但是我相信他那不穩定的防守會使得球團不敢讓他成為全職先發游擊或二壘手。 Still, he should get plenty of chance to play. There's a good chance he'll play against nearly all left-handed pitchers, since both Cesar Izturis and Adam Kennedy are better against righties. 他會有大量出賽機會的。而由於Izturis和Kennedy對右投手有較佳的打擊成績，他有機會被用來對付左投手。 Now that Mark Prior is a free agent, do you think there is any chance that the Cardinals would take a chance on him? -- Brad C., Liberty, Mo. 問:現在Mark Prior成為自由球員，你覺得紅雀有可能會簽下他嗎? There is a chance, yes. The Cardinals have some interest in Prior, but they're not all over him or anything. He's on the radar, is probably a good way to put it. 答:沒錯，有可能。紅雀對他有點興趣，但也沒有太多。他會被考慮，這也許是不錯的選擇。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.122.39.11