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Re: [外電] Noah說他公牛done了

看板Celtics (波士頓 塞爾提克)作者 (・8・)時間10年前 (2016/05/26 03:52), 10年前編輯推噓93(93推 0噓 137→)
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關於佛大雙塔的組成 之前有看到一篇教學 外電: https://is.gd/VlSrir 先上結論, 陣容長這樣 http://puu.sh/p4Yn7.png
簡單挑幾段就好 If a player like Blake Griffin or DeMarcus Cousins becomes available, the Celtics would have sufficient assets to concoct an enticing package. However, Los Angeles Clippers head coach Doc Rivers has already made it clear he isn't breaking up his core, as reported by the Associated Press (via ESPN.com), while Sacramento Kings general manager Vlade Divac wants to keep his star center (for next year at least), according to NBC Sports' Kurt Helin. 如果還換得到Griffin或是Cousins C's 將會想盡辦法提出誘人的包裹 但是快艇和國王都表示沒有要賣人 Boston will also chase Kevin Durant, per ESPN.com's Chris Forsberg, but so will the rest of the league, and the Oklahoma City Thunder's playoff success makes signing him a pipe dream. C's 當然也會去追求Durant 但由於雷霆在季後賽的表現 使得簽下KD也化為了白日夢 (譯按:雷霆目前3-1聽牌領先勇士) The Celtics could potentially land multiple big names, but there has to be a touch of realism attached even when constructing a dream scenario. Failing to land a true superstar won't necessarily signify a failed offseason, and there are plenty of other avenues to explore. 有夢最美，但還是要摸清現實 即便沒有簽到巨星, 也不代表是個失敗的暑假 還是有許多可以值得探討的地方 1. Trade Draft Picks for Established Players "What Boston does with that No. 3 pick now becomes the most interesting predraft question in the league," ESPN.com's Zach Lowe wrote following the draft lottery. C's 會怎麼運用第三順位已經成了有趣的話題 (譯按:畢竟前二基本上沒什麼好猜的了... 就等#3怎麼選) If I'm the Celtics I would get on the phone with the Colangelos in Philadelphia daily. It's well known that they love Kris Dunn. They need a great guard. Kris Dunn is going to be that. Maybe a Dwyane Wade, maybe a John Wall. Maybe not that good but I think he's going to be an All-Star guard, especially if he learns how to shoot. He's gotten better over the years. They have a plethora of bigs. They can get Simmons at No. 1 and send Okafor to Boston for No. 3 and take Dunn. 假如我是塞爾提克的話, 我會打給76人 大家都知道76人很喜歡Dunn, 他們缺PG Dunn也許能練到諸如Wade, 或者是Wall 也可能根本就沒有想像中的那麼好 但我認為他會是個全明星, 如果他學會投籃的話 我們可以拿#3和76人換取Okafor 這樣76人就可以同時引進Simmons和Dunn Boston should also throw in James Young (who it may be time to give up on) or R.J. Hunter to make the deal more enticing. The internal backcourt logjam likely wouldn't have either guy contributing much next season in Boston anyway. C's應該還會貼個Young或者是Hunter加入到包裹 (譯按:這包換的到的話兩隻都送你也沒關係.... 個人認為76人應該會比較想要企鵝吧~ ) 2. Sign Al Horford The Atlanta Hawks will wrestle with the dilemma of handing an aging veteran a five-year, $150 million max contract. The Celtics could offer the big man a four-year deal close to $111 million, starting in the vicinity of $25 million per year. 老鷹能提供的頂薪大概是5y150M, 而我們則是4y111M左右 Horford shot 34.4 percent from three-point range this year after almost exclusively living within the perimeter during his first eight seasons. He is a fantastic passer, operates effectively around the elbows and likely wouldn't have trouble adjusting to a post juggernaut in Okafor. Horford在今年練出了三分球投射能力 與此同時,他也是個很好的傳球手 Many free agents will inevitably be overpaid during the cap boom, and Horford is a lock to get the max somewhere. For the Celtics, he'd undoubtedly be worth it. 許多時候難免會因薪資空間夠大而溢價簽下自由球員 簽下Horford會間接造成薪資空間被鎖死 但是對於C's來說，這無疑是值得的 (譯按:當年用4y32M續約AB的時候其實也是overpaid的 當然, 現在來看的話是超值。 年度防守第一隊, 恭喜AB！) http://i.imgur.com/l2LZvgM.jpg
3. House Cleaning Johnson was a serviceable placeholder, but his $12 million nonguaranteed contract (which becomes guaranteed if not waived before July 3) is too hefty. Tyler Zeller was mediocre throughout the year, while Sullinger's poor playoff showing left a sour taste among critics and fans. The Celtics shouldn't think twice about renouncing both restricted free agents. AJ的12M是非保障合約 如果在7月3號沒有前裁掉的話 那麼AJ將會變成完全保障合約 Zeller打出了表現平淡的一年 Sully 也因季後賽比現不佳 而失去了專家及粉絲的青睞 C's 應該要放棄這兩位 RFA The cap boom could create a crazy market even for mid-tier free agents such as Turner. But there is no reason he can't reach a sensible middle ground with Boston, and a long-term contract in the vicinity of $10 million per year would seem fair. He can run the point, defend multiple positions and provide a scoring punch when needed. Those qualities usually come at a higher price tag, but the mutual affection should alleviate the financial blow. 薪資上限的上漲帶給Turner一個龐大的市場 年薪10M對於Turner和C's應該是比較公平的 Turner可以防守多個位置, 也能跳出來得分 Keeping Jonas Jerebko is a no-brainer as well. His contract isn't guaranteed for next year, but Boston can retain him for $5 million, which is tremendous value for a serviceable combo forward who can stretch the floor. 留住JJ, 他明年也是非保障合約 但是他才5M, 卻有著巨大的價值 4. Dig Deep for Value If Boston keeps Jerebko, then trades Young and the No. 3 pick for Okafor while signing Turner and Horford to the aforementioned deals, its salary bill would land somewhere around $77 million, without considering cap holds (the No. 16 and No. 23 picks would factor into the equation before free agency begins, unless traded). 如果C's 留下JJ並打包Young和#3換來Okafor 再算下續約Turner以及簽下Horford之後 我們的薪資空間約來到了77M左右 (先不考慮今年#16和#23的合約) That means the Celtics would have 12 players on the roster with approximately $15 million of cap space to spare. 這意味著C's將會有12名球員 還有15M左右可用的薪資空間 The Celtics could do with another big man, and Joakim Noah might be worth a look. His market value is at an all-time low after an injury-riddled campaign, but he remains a smart, hard-working, defensive-minded center. C's 可能還需要一個大個子, Noah是個不錯的選擇 他因為長時間的傷病困擾著他的行情 但他仍然是個聰明勤奮的防守型中鋒 Even with his value in the trenches, Noah should draw interest around the league, and he could even get some silly offers from teams willing to overspend for a big name. But if the market is cold and Boston can sign him to a short-term deal worth $9 million per year, it should. Horford and Noah were teammates in college, which could help convince Noah to take a pay cut. C's可以用年薪9M的短約簽下Noah Noah和Horford是大學時期的隊友 這將會有助於說服Noah願意降薪 At this point, the only thing lacking would be a competent wing. Jared Dudley or Matt Barnes could get the job done at a cheap price tag, and both would fit the Celtics' gritty style. 我們還缺少一個側翼 好比說Dudley或者M.Barnes會是較便宜的選項 這兩位都適合C's堅韌不拔的球風 5. Projected Celtics depth chart PG: Thomas / Turner / Rozier SG: Bradley / Smart / Hunter SF: Crowder / Dudley PF: Horford / Jerebko / Mickey C : Okafor / Noah / Olynyk It's important to note that the projected depth chart doesn't include any of the Celtics' eight draft picks. Boston will likely have at least one or two rookies on the roster, but drafting international players and stashing them is also a probable scenario. 值得注意的是, 這份預計的名單還不包括今年的8個選秀權 C's可能會加入至少1~2位新同學 也有可能選擇一些國際球員來囤積資產 (譯按:如果有換到Okafor應該會少掉#3這隻籤 所以這裡應該是7個選秀權或者更少比較正確) -- 各位覺得這個陣容如何呢 ? 這篇原文還有提到可以考慮和籃網交易T.Young 只是我覺得這樣應該就會動到AJ去匹配薪資 這樣沒辦法裁掉AJ來騰出薪資空間簽下Noah Dudley是個不錯的選擇, 今年3PT%有42% 但我想這不會是首選, 算是備案之一吧~ Mickey如果能長成類似Biyombo的話很好 但是在這陣容他真的分得到上場時間嗎? 這個陣容還是沒有真正解決射手的問題 如果拿Hunter跟76人換Nik會比較好嗎? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 118.160.212.132 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Celtics/M.1464205976.A.CE8.html
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05/26 04:07, , 1F
變成擠滿禁區怪獸的球隊XD
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05/26 04:16, , 2F
讓人想起10年的時光 Perkins KG Ball dont lie 大
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小歐 大寶貝...
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05/26 05:48, , 4F
不知道Paul George有沒有可能
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05/26 06:46, , 5F
這個先發會有兩個問題，一個是30歲伙夫的速度能不
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能跟上現在的四號位，由其他後面又是個速度慢補防弱
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05/26 06:46, , 7F
的OK4，這樣的禁區防守速度會很慢跟不上現今的小球
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戰隊，參考季後賽的馬刺，而且還沒籃板優勢，這兩
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05/26 06:46, , 9F
個籃板都不夠好。
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05/26 06:55, , 10F
另一個是球風問題，有了OK4一定要打陣地戰，那先發p
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05/26 06:56, , 11F
g還放衝衝衝放第一的小球戰將矮湯適合嗎？參考他在
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05/26 06:56, , 12F
國王和表弟的搭配吧，球風不合的，或許先發二號放特
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05/26 06:56, , 13F
納組織，矮湯打第六人會更好點
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05/26 07:06, , 14F
其實it也可以交易掉..不過有點殘忍
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05/26 08:11, , 15F
我實在不想要Okafor
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05/26 08:11, , 16F
他根本不適合我們
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05/26 08:13, , 17F
看了現有禁區球員，你會發現Horford其實很快的...XD
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05/26 08:14, , 18F
OK4適不適合來了才知道，但他是大物基本上不用懷疑
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05/26 08:15, , 19F
pp大中肯XD
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相較okafor...我比較想要noel...不過年紀大一點
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05/26 08:23, , 21F
IT在太陽我不知道，但他在這證明自己也能打半場進攻
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05/26 08:24, , 22F
而不是個只能打快的後衛
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05/26 08:43, , 23F
IT可以打無球啊，過半場丟給Noah在高位組織就好
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Noah最大的價值不就是懂得分球嘛
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05/26 08:45, , 25F
不過這篇外電簡化太多東西了，我們目前的操作不會這
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05/26 08:45, , 26F
麼簡單，籤實在太多了......
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05/26 08:49, , 27F
如果要換ok4，我覺得應該會丟#3 + 2支二輪 + Johns
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on + Young
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05/26 08:54, , 29F
對球員單純的相信能做到，和實際能不能是兩回事。
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伙夫打5號有速度優勢，但對上小球4號連Amir和Crowde
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r都守不住米爾薩普了，要靠更靈活的聰明來守，伙夫
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05/26 08:54, , 32F
會守的住嗎？更不用說30歲速度只會越來越慢，伙夫是
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05/26 08:54, , 33F
很好的小球型內線，但和OK4搭配不見得會適合。
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05/26 09:03, , 34F
我比較希望換Noel
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05/26 09:14, , 35F
禁區好噁心
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05/26 09:36, , 36F
你怎麼會拿米爺比，米爺根本是三號的速度打四號，
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05/26 09:36, , 37F
全聯盟比他快的四號（LBJ那種SF/PF不算）應該只有嘴
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綠而已
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05/26 09:49, , 39F
難道我們爭冠的路上遇不到米爾薩普和嘴綠嗎？伙夫向
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還有 151 則推文
還有 1 段內文
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05/28 08:41, , 191F
而且他也是在名門球隊，平均上25分鐘有12.4分5.8板
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05/28 08:41, , 192F
Bender跟姚明比 彈跳高度呢？
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怎麼看都覺得安心度大增...
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05/28 08:44, , 194F
ugh...如果Bender有Yao的身高的話才有比較的意義
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05/28 08:57, , 195F
總覺得現在bender順位是炒出來的..
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05/28 09:21, , 196F
打得時間太少真的很難比較，大小Gasol跟KP在歐洲也
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05/28 09:22, , 197F
都有過很鳥的數據...不過Bender從前年開始，預測順
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位就一直落在樂透區，KP前年預測都還在2X @@
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05/28 12:13, , 199F
要買樂透的話，不如首輪的另外二支拿一支選Maker...
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05/28 15:08, , 200F
Gasol和KP也都打過很鳥的數據啊
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05/28 15:38, , 201F
搞不好安吉到時候真的選給我們看= =
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05/28 17:07, , 202F
Maker是一定要選的 畢竟我們籤那麼多
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05/28 21:46, , 203F
何不八隻籤都選潛力長人XDDD
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總不會全部都養壞吧XD
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05/29 00:39, , 205F
Maker好好養 一定不輸Bender的啊
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05/29 00:50, , 206F
對於Maker最大的疑慮是為什麼不打ncaa，有沒有大大
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了解的呀？
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選擇讀第五年高中，去年還被Skal教訓，而Skal在ncaa
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被教訓……不知道Maker這年到底進步多少
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05/29 01:24, , 210F
保持神秘感來保護他的順位吧 跟前年的Exum一樣
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像Skal這樣 去NCAA後 缺點曝光 馬上順位暴跌
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Skal有外線 應該可以當即戰力在NBA練
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如果Skal今年一整季都沒打 或許還會保持在前五
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Maker沒參加過什麼實戰比賽 有可能在高強度的比賽
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中 完全施展不出身手 綁手綁腳忘記怎麼打球
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05/29 15:47, , 216F
都說買樂透了，當然要買還沒開過獎的...
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05/29 16:29, , 217F
XDDD
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Maker的workout
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05/29 19:45, , 220F
選秀本來就是買樂透啊 不管是哪個 只要是新人都一樣
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05/29 19:49, , 221F
但Maker真的比周琦好很多 更年輕 體能更好 身材又
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差距不大 沒有語言問題 天花板很高
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05/29 23:21, , 223F
Maker我們第十六應該選不太到吧
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05/30 01:17, , 224F
正常預測是選得到 可是有一些推測覺得樂透尾就沒了
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16可以了啦 根據最新一期的DX把他擺在32
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周琦29 Jaylen不知爲啥突然變成第三了
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然後Bender變第4 Hield 掉到7了 怎麼會這樣
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05/30 05:36, , 228F
我看到最高的把Maker放在20左右
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05/30 21:23, , 229F
只是因為Brown最近參加了一個聯合試訓，表現不錯
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這種預測就是這樣吧..當然是有看到就加分了
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