Re: [外電] 公牛季後補強計畫論文
看板ChicagoBulls (芝加哥 公牛)作者eertllams (Tree666)時間14年前 (2011/06/20 15:16)推噓24(24推 0噓 40→)留言64則, 15人參與討論串2/2 (看更多)
※ 引述《eertllams (Tree666)》之銘言：
: http://blog.shamsports.com/2011/06/chicagos-meticulously-crafted-2011.html
我把這篇交易看法關於那些球員適合 跟作者提出的原因
翻譯了一下 喜歡他比較全面的分析 跟討論
就算不見得會成功的交易 但他點出的觀點 還有公牛可能的想法都很值得參考
僅翻譯其中一部分 但是因為用語很艱深 翻了我好久
在唸GRE的朋友 可以看看打發時間
Stage 1: Bring back Stephen Jackson.
把Stephen Jackson找回來!
(12年前Jackson有參加過公牛的訓練營 當時因腳傷退出)
Specifically, for Ronnie Brewer, Keith Bogans, and the #28 pick.22
用Ronnie Brewer, Bogans還有第28順位來交換山貓的 Stephen Jackson
註22: Brewer over Korver for one reason and one reason only; the shooting. You
can never have enough of it, and the Bulls certainly can't. However, in the
unlikely event that the Bobcats demand it be Korver instead, it's a price worth
paying. And then you bring in Jason Kapono, Vladmanovic or James Jones to
replace him. Or, if Andres Nocioni is amnestied, they could bring him back. As
has hopefully been proven demonstrably true by now, the options are a-plenty.
用小酒來換Jackson是而非用KK 唯一原因是要保留Korver的外線能力
外線是很重要的 不過如果山貓想要Korver的話 也可以 但是要再補一下
外線射手進來 不過選擇挺多的 Jason Kapono, Vladmanovic or James Jones
或是 Andres Nocioni
The cost of trading for Stephen Jackson must be weighted against two things -
the abilities of Stephen Jackson himself, and the cost of the alternatives.
There is no point paying out the arse for Stephen Jackson in a trade, when
signing one of the aforementioned players - arbitrarily, let's say Arron
Afflalo - would cost you no assets in trade and would also not cost as much
salary. The player obtained in the latter scenario would not be as good, but
they may be only slightly worse than Jackson. Is it better to have Affalo,
Brewer and the 28, or just Jackson? Indeed. Or maybe a rebuilding Jazz team
would happily gift an aging Raja Bell. A combination of any number of
hypotheticals could return similar for less. And thus not much in the way of
basketball assets can be traded.
Jackson交易與否要考慮兩件事情 一個是Jackson本身的能力
一個是其他替代方案的花費如何
公牛不需要付很多錢來取得Jackson 因為檯面上還有很多跟他類似的球員
好比說丹佛的Arron Afflalo (195萬年薪) 要得到他並不太花錢
也許他沒有這麼好 但是也只比Jackson稍差一點
所以如果公牛有了Afflalo加上小酒還有28順位選進來的新秀
這樣有比單純有Jackson好 或是不好呢 ？
或者也許重建中的爵士隊 會很高興的把老化的Raja Bell (300萬)打包給公牛
這些選擇如果成功都會有差不多的結果
但是實際上卻沒很多球員可以被真正交易
The hypothetical attraction for Charlotte lies in the salary savings.
Everything previously stated about the reduced ability to spend is just as true
of Charlotte as it is of anyone. Stephen Jackson is not a bad contract, but he
is a big one, and twice in recent months has that been sufficient reason for
them to trade a starter. In exchange for Tyson Chandler, they got nothing but
luxury tax relief; in exchange for Gerald Wallace, they got salary relief, a
backup small forward, and two not particularly good first round picks.
對於山貓對來說 這個交易的吸引在於 節省支出
對山貓而言 Jackson的約並不差 但也不少錢
換走Chandler 讓山貓大削減了奢侈稅(誤
換走了G蛙 山貓進一步得到薪資空間的增加
還有一個替補SF 跟兩個普通的第一輪順位
You could argue that, having already done this twice, they don't need to do it
a third time. But I would counter that by highlighting the fact that this team
sold for the equivalent of $25 million as recently as last year, and then
recorded the perfectly useless figure of 34 wins the season after. If you're
going to lose, therefore, lose cheaply and properly.
你可以說 既然山貓都已經做了兩個大舉動 他們不需要第三個交易了
但是事實上 去年球隊售價了兩千五百萬 然後度過戰績很糟的34勝球季
既然都要輸球 那就輸的正確 跟便宜!
In this deal for Jackson - a slightly above average starter, if we're honest -
they would receive another not very good first round pick, and a good young
swingman. Ronnie Brewer doesn't solve any short term problems for Charlotte,
but Charlotte also doesn't (or shouldn't) have much in the way of short term
priorities. However, the salary relief is expected to be the biggest lure.
Whereas Jackson has $19,316,250 in guaranteed salary remaining, Ronnie Brewer
has only $4,710,000 owed to him - as detailed at length here, Brewer's final
season is unguaranteed, and for a reason. The combination of the Bulls's
ability to absorb some salary with their residual cap space this season, plus
Brewer's roughly flatlining salary, plus Bogans's unguaranteed 2011/12 money,
means that Charlotte can open up about $5 million in salary wiggle room next
season alone, and eight figures worth in 2012/13.23 If this salary saving were
coincident with the aforementioned Lasagna Diop amnesty provision usage thing,
Charlotte suddenly looks like this:
這個Jackson的交易 他在這個位置是中上的先發球員
老實說 山貓可以從公牛得到一個普通的第一輪 還有一個wingman
小酒當然沒有解決山貓的問題 不過山貓短期也沒有特別的重建方向
Jackson剩下跟山貓的約 還有1,900多萬 小酒只有471萬(一年)
如果加上打包Bogans 山貓可以在下個球季省下500萬左右
12/13年 山貓可以省下更多!
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9104/bobcatshypo.jpg
這個圖是交易成功之後 幾年內山貓的薪資結構
註23 - Given that the rookie salary scale is one of the things most subject to
revision in the current CBA negotiations - for adjusting it downwards would
represent a good way to pay players less - it is unknown quite what the cost of
the #28 pick would be. However, using the currently available 2011 first round
draft pick rookie salary scale numbers, it would cost $5,662,751 over four
years. Relative pittance, really.
註23: 圖表中新秀順位的錢 用今年得來預估的話
公牛的第28順化 接下來四年總共只花566萬
Doesn't get much healthier than that.
是不是很健康漂亮呢?
As for Jackson himself, he fits rather snugly into what the Bulls do. Jackson
is a good, big, interested and versatile defender, a description guaranteed to
wet Tom Thibodeau's palate.24 He can handle and pass to above average standards
for a wing player, which the Bulls could certainly use, even if he should do
slightly less of the former. And he's a good-enough shooter; at the very least,
he's as good as Keith Bogans, albeit with slightly less judicious selection.
Jackson本身很勝任公牛的需求 他很好 夠高 也是多方位的防守球員
很適合老席的體系 以一個側翼球員來看
他的處理球 跟分球都有不錯得水準 他也是不錯得射手
再糟的情形 他也不會比 Bogans差
註24: It's about time that head coaches were given nicknames the frequency
and calibre of player nicknames. Particularly those who look as though they
have a body count.
不會翻～
The Bulls need a wing player who defends his position well, can handle the
ball, make shots, and double as a secondary playmaker. They also need a wingman
who, if called upon, can consistently take and make his own shot in a halfcourt
set, particularly in clutch situations. Since precisely four players alive fit
that mold, they'll have to settle for the flawed but helpful Jackson. Jackson's
history of randomly beating up fans and randomly firing guns into the air
outside of strip clubs is certainly a sticking point - the Bulls don't often
like to get their hands dirty, which is why they won't touch Delonte West,
despite how neatly of a fit he is into their current guise. However, seemingly
every player or coach to have ever worked with Jackson has loved him, for his
passion, spirit, and his out-and-out desire. The reprehensibly douchey things
that he did can be overlooked if every other box is ticked. The Bulls
prioritise "jib," but that doesn't mean they are criminal-free.25
公牛需要一個防守很好的側翼球員 還要能處理球 跟投射
還必需是一個可以自己創造攻擊空間的第二持球者
再半場進攻中 這個人要能持續的創造機會 跟投籃
甚至是在關鍵的時刻!
嚴格來說 大概存在有四個球員很適合公牛的團隊（對照前後文 不知道那四個）
但是公牛必須選擇雖有缺點 但是幫助很大的Jackson
當然Jackson之前 偶爾打打球迷 跟偶爾在脫衣舞酒吧外面開槍的歷史
應該是一個重點 通常公牛球團不喜歡有這些麻煩分子
這也是公牛將來不會去接觸D. West, 雖然他也很適合
但是看起來 所有跟Jackson共事過的球員跟教練都很喜愛他
因為他對籃球的熱情 精神 還有他一直有的熱切欲望
如果Jackson把其他所有的事情都做得很好 那他曾犯錯誤的鳥事就不需要被過份強調
就算公牛把犯錯這種事當成最高的指導原則來篩選
球團也不可能完全的只挑選沒有前科的人!!
這兩句翻完好像在做GRE的題目跟閱讀測驗!!
註解 25： Case in point - JamesOn Curry, a convicted drug dealer whom the Bulls
once drafted and signed for a season without ever actually playing him. Curry
is, and has always only ever been, a fringe NBA talent. So why didn't the Bulls
abscond from him and draft a different fringe NBA talent instead? Because
everyone has a past, and the Bulls know that too. You're not being sensible or
Christian if you avoid everyone with a past. Had they avoided everyone with a
past, they wouldn't have dealt with Scott Skiles, who regime in Chicago was
really rather successful. (Until the end.) Jackson's past is blighted
irreparably after his role in the brawl, but what are we going to do? Remind
him of it every day? I don't think that achieves anything.
公牛當時就因為JamesOn Curry的天份選進了他 即使他之前有販毒前科
不過他的例子 他並沒有在NBA成功
但是一個有天份的人 你不能因為宗教 或 太過敏感的原因
就棄之不理 改選別的球員
每個人都有過去 你不需要每天提醒他
The choice of Jackson over the other candidates was deliberate, and only
slightly motivated by cost. Andre Iguodala is better at small forward, ball
dominant, not nearly as good of a shooter as he thinks he is, and not nearly
the calibre of half-court creator he so desperately wants to be.26 A backcourt
of Derrick Rose and Monta Ellis cannot stop anybody, and while it would thrive
in the open court, it effectively mitigates itself in the half court. J.R.
Smith can't be trusted, and was once traded by the Bulls for Adrian Griffin and
Aaron Gray, which is no endorsement at all. Anthony Parker is no longer
starting calibre. Michael Heisley has seemingly made the cost of acquiring O.J.
Mayo unnecessarily prohibitive, particularly for one so average. Jason
Richardson no longer wants to dribble, defend, or do anything much to get open
without the ball. Vince Carter is emphatically done. Denver should (or ought)
match a full MLE deal to Arron Afflalo. Courtney Lee won't come for anyth
less than Omer Asik, which is not a deal worth making. The Daniel Gibson, Jamal
Crawford and Leandro Barbosa-types would be most useful, but
hard-to-acquire backups. And Richard Hamilton is.......well, no.
選擇Jackson 其實是經過深思的 並不是因為他的價錢
Iguodala是一個很好的小前鋒 球的掌控也好
但他不是這麼好的射手 他超想成為半場攻擊的啟動者 但是他也沒有那麼稱職
如果加上Monta Ellis, 那他跟Rose組成的後場搭檔將無法阻擋任何人
而且他們的攻擊會從前場就開始 反而減少了半場攻勢
至於J.R. Smith事不能夠被信任的
公牛之前就把他交易掉 換來A. Griffin跟A. Gray了 J.R是不會得到支持的
Anothony Parker以經不在是個稱職的先發球員
灰熊的老闆 Michael Heisley 則讓公牛想拿到O.J. Mayo的交易 異常的困難
Jason Richardson他似乎不想在運球突破 或是防守 或是去努力跑位跑出空檔了
Vince Carter 應該已經不行了
丹佛應該會想辦法去給 Afflalo一份MLE 來留住他
要拿到Courtney Lee 至少要動到Asik 這對公牛不太值得
Daniel Gibson, Jamal Crawford 跟 Leandro Barbosa這些球員也都很有用
但是卻都非常難得到
至於Richard Hamilton的話.........NO （Why?）
註解: To be fair, all of those criticisms apply to Jackson as well, up to a
point. But Jackson costs less in both trade assets and salary, the latter of
which will likely prove to be very important. And while Jackson may carry the
occasional threat of savage, callous spectator beating, he also has heart. A
lot of heart. The Bulls like heart, and not just the kind of heart that sees
players shout after big plays. Actual heart. They prioritise players that are
all heart. They prioritised Rick Brunson.
就算你要批評Jackson 但是實際上 他比小AI跟Monta Ellis 都還要便宜
雖然你要擔心Jackson犯錯 不過他是一個有心的球員
很多很多的心 公牛隊喜歡這種球員
並不是那種每次有精彩得分就會大叫的哪種心 是真摯的心
公牛以這個當作球員的優先選擇
就好像曾經是公牛球員 現在是助理教練的 Rick Brunson
And so that's how we've arrive at Jackson.27
所以綜觀這些原因 結論就是把 Jackson找來
And no, the Bobcats can't have their pick back.
不過 絕對不要還給山貓 他們10年給公牛的第一輪樂透保障順位!
註解 27: By uniting the polarising figures of Derrick Rose, Stephen Jackson,
Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah, Chicago are making absolutely no effort to
create a team made up of players that other team's fans like.
如果有這樣的先發陣容 其他球隊的球迷都會哭吧
娘布 Noah Rose Jackson
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