[閒聊] Do referees favour Barcelona in Europe?
http://eircomsports.eircom.net/News/Barca-European-decisions.aspx
Out of 15 'borderline' decisions in knock-out games under Pep
Guardiola, seven went for Barcelona and eight went against.
After Robin van Persie’s ridiculous red card last night, there has
been an element of debate over whether referees “favour” Barcelona
in Europe. In the Daily Mail today Martin Samuel wrote “it would make
a refreshing change if just once Barcelona could win this tournament
without being set on their way by the obliging incompetence of a match
official. For the clueless Tom Henning Ovrebo against Chelsea in 2009,
read the merciless Massimo Busacca in 2011.”
To some, particularly Arsene Wenger, the outcome would have been
markedly different had Van Persie stayed on the pitch. However,
the outcome could also have been markedly different had Leo Messi’s
marginal offside call in the first leg been allowed or the same player
been awarded a penalty before half-time.
Mindful of this counter-balance as well as the copious conspiracy theories
around referees and Uefa, we decided to look at all of the marginal calls
involved in Barcelona’s Champions League knock-out games under Pep
Guardiola. The point was not to express judgment on any of them, merely
to lay them out and say whether they went for or against Barcelona.
As ever, it appears accusations of bias on either side are illusory.
The marginal calls generally even out.
Barcelona 0-0 Chelsea, 2009 SF
Against Barcelona 0-1
Jose Bosingwa grabs Thierry Henry in the box. Penalty appeal turned down.
Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF
For Barcelona 1-1
Dani Alves tugs Florent Malouda who falls around edge of box.
Ref rules outside.
Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF
For Barcelona 2-1
Eric Abidal tugs Didier Drogba’s shirt as the striker goes
through on goal. No penalty or red card.
Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF
Against Barcelona 2-2
Aric Abidal sent off for colliding with Nicolas Anelka.
Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF
For Barcelona 3-2
Ball hits Gerard Pique’s hand in the box. No penalty given.
Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona, 2009 SF
For Barcelona 4-2
Ball hits Seydou Keita’s arm in the box. No penalty given.
Arsenal 2-2 Barcelona, 2010 QF
Against Barcelona 4-3
Carlos Puyol and Cesc Fabregas collide. Penalty given, Puyol sent off
Inter 3-1 Barcelona, 2010 SF
For Barcelona 5-3
Samuel Eto’o in through on goal only to be called for offside in
borderline decision.
Inter 3-1 Barcelona, 2010 SF
Against Barcelona 5-4
Milito in offside position when Sneijder takes preceding touch.
Scores and goal given.
Inter 3-1 Barcelona, 2010 SF
Against Barcelona 5-5
Wesley Sneijder brings down Dani Alves in the box. Alves booked for diving.
Barcelona 1-0 Inter, 2010 SF
For Barcelona 6-5
Sergio Busquets goes down after Thiago Motta palms face.
Notoriously peeks at referee. Motta is sent off.
Barcelona 1-0 Inter, 2010 SF
Against Barcelona 6-6
Bojan Krkic scores but goal disallowed because ball struck Yaya
Toure’s arm. Debate over “ball to hand” ensues.
Arsenal 2-1 Barcelona, 2011 last-16
Against Barcelona 6-7
Leo Messi scores but goal disallowed for offside. Replays suggest
it was onside.
Barcelona 3-1 Arsenal, 2011 last-16
Against Barcelona 6-8
Leo Messi brought down on edge of box. Penalty not given.
Barcelona 3-1 Arsenal, 2011 last-16
For Barcelona 7-8
Robin Van Persie given second booking for shooting after whistle had blown.
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from a fan:
how many times have we seen forwards shown yellow cards for kicking
the ball after the whistle is blown? standard stuff. so what’s the
difference here? the game does not (and should not) make exceptions
for english teams, managers, or fans. All teams in all competitions
suffer or benefit from referring decisions from time to time.
how come it’s only made a huge issue when english clubs suffer
from such decisions?
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Massimo Busacca 真是個爛裁判沒錯，尤其是這兩個判決:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lphanLlEsrs
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhgg1n_barcapensht57_travel
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As ever, it appears accusations of bias on either side are illusory.
The marginal calls generally even out.
Read the paragraph above again.
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It appears that you need to read the whole article again. And again.
What a pity!
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※ 編輯: Petrie 來自: 219.87.89.129 (03/10 23:27)
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Where were you when Bojan's goal was unjustly disallowed last season?
※ 編輯: Petrie 來自: 219.87.89.129 (03/10 23:33)
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還有 4 段內文
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所以這一長串廢話才是你真正的心聲嗎？
文章都告訴你「裁判的判決，在經過時間累積後，並不會有特別偏袒任何一隊的情況」，
你看完文章的心得還在那裡十次有八次啊？這已經不是閱讀障礙可以形容的悲慘。
我幫你把足球規則裡關於紅牌的規定貼在下面，找得到「惡意犯規」算你厲害:
A red card is shown by a referee to signify that a player has been sent off.
A player who has been sent off is required to leave the field of play
immediately and must take no further part in the game. The player who
has been sent off cannot be replaced during the game; his team must
continue the game with one fewer player. Only players, substitutes and
substituted players may receive a red card. Law 12 of the Laws of the
Game lists the categories of misconduct for which a player may be sent off.
These are:
Serious foul play (a violent foul)
Violent conduct (any other act of violence)
Spitting at anyone
A deliberate handling offense to deny an obvious goal-scoring
opportunity by any player other than a goalkeeper in his own penalty area
Committing an offence that denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring
opportunity (informally known as a professional foul)
Using offensive, insulting or abusive language or gestures
Receiving a second caution (yellow card) in one game
我不是主裁判 Busacca，你也不是，麻煩不要繼續自己幻想裁判心裡狀態
發表一些令人啼笑皆非的言論好嗎？
多數人的意見就一定是真理嗎？而且大部份 Ptt 足球迷的知識水平本來就很低，
最拿手的的就是腦補、人云亦云跟引戰推文。
從你都能被稱為大師，就知道水平有多低了。
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請問一下，裁判吹哨後繼續動作（甚至射門）可不可以給黃牌？
如果可以的話，van Persie 這個 case 是有什麼好吵的？
吹哨後繼續射門，裁判不給牌只口頭警告，或是連警告都沒有，
那是你運氣好，別以為下一次也不會有事。
而且，van Persie 在吹哨後繼續射門的習性也不是第一次了，
夜路走多了，遇到鬼一次，就在那怨天怪地啊？
還是因為 van Persie 是英超球員，在歐洲賽場比賽時，即使作了
裁判可以給牌的行為，但因為身上有一張黃牌，就可以有豁免權？
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請問一下, 這次你會不會過了幾小時又跑回來大放厥詞?
如果你覺得被電的還不夠的話, 我個人很歡迎你繼續回來發表高見.
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