Re: [情報] 晚上車手齊聚咪聽 內容包含Ham"野蠻駕駛"已回收

看板FORMULA1 (F1 賽車)作者 ( )時間14年前 (2012/05/12 11:36), 編輯推噓7(7020)
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借用一下原標題發個外電 這外電滿有趣的,內容就是昨天晚上的車手會議 source http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18042665 Formula 1 drivers debate penalties for going off the track Formula 1 drivers are split over whether race stewards should take a zero-tolerance approach to gaining an advantage when going off the track. 車手們對於藉由跑出賽道而得利是否該罰有了意見紛歧 (L.Hamilton上一站從賽道外超掉N.Rosberg, 而Alonso則選擇跑在賽道內因而超車失敗) The drivers argued over the subject in their briefing on Friday afternoon at the Spanish Grand Prix. The debate arose from two controversial incidents involving Nico Rosberg, Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso at the last race in Bahrain. 禮拜五的車手會議上主要針對這兩起攻防來爭論 Race director Charlie Whiting will come to a definitive decision on Saturday. C.Whiting也參與這場會議,並且會在本周六做出結論 The issue has aroused great interest among the drivers - sources say the briefing was much more animated than usual. Two different debates arose from the separate incidents, in which Mercedes driver Rosberg defended his position aggressively from Hamilton's McLaren and Alonso's Ferrari. 主要吵的有兩點 The first - regarding whether it was acceptable for the German to use the full width of the track in defending his position - was resolved relatively quickly. 第一,關於小羅斯堡是否一點空間都不留給其他人,大家很快就有結論了XDDD Whiting told the drivers that Rosberg's move was on the limit, but that it was acceptable as long as the defending driver moved first, made a clear move, and the attacking driver did not have any of his car alongside the leading car when the car in front started to move. Whiting解釋,小羅斯堡的這兩記防守的確是在犯規邊緣,但不罰的原因有 1.小羅斯堡是在後車抽頭之前就先變線防守,而且只變線一次 2.在小羅斯堡開始變線時,後車並沒有任何一部分的車身跟小羅斯堡並行(重疊) 所以結論就是.....小羅斯堡並沒有主動去把身旁的攻擊者逼出賽道(這我自己加的) It was also made clear that drivers cannot go off the track to defend their position. 然後大家說清楚,你要防守可以,但不能跑出賽道防守(所以小羅斯堡是剛好用到滿) The subject of whether Hamilton should have been allowed to keep his position after going off the track to pass Rosberg was much more hotly debated. 接下來討論最多的當然就是對於大家最喜愛的小黑了XDD 如前面所說,當小羅斯堡把賽道用到滿防守, 剛從左後輪又被搞的pit出來一懶X火的小黑,跑出賽道超掉小羅斯堡 (這也我自己加的,看skysports車評M.Brundle有提到) 針對這點大家對於小黑是否該讓回來有了爭議 The F1 rules dictate that a driver is not allowed to gain an advantage by going off the track. 規則有提到,不能藉由跑出賽道而得利(後面會提到,切西瓜也算一種) Some drivers felt there should be a zero-tolerance approach to this - with seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher and Ferrari's Felipe Massa particularly vocal. MSC,FM師徒兩人覺得這一定要大刀闊斧,嚴格執行,零容忍!!!!! But others - including world champion Sebastian Vettel - argued that stewards should be allowed to use their discretion. 由Vettel領軍的其他車手則是覺得應該交由史都華們專業的判斷來決定^.< This was because there are such a wide variety of instances in which this could apply, and a penalty would in some of the less serious cases be draconian - an example it would be for gaining 0.1secs by cutting a chicane. 簡單來說就是有時候不小心切西瓜賺個0.1秒就被得來速,太慘忍了吧!! Vettel and others felt that stewards should be able to take into account the size of the advantage gained and the mitigating circumstances that could be involved. 反正就是case by case,針對得利多寡,是否很大的不公不義來做決定 It is understood no driver actively disagreed with this view once Vettel had raised it. 世界冠軍就是世界冠軍,當Vettel一嗆出來,大家就安安靜靜了 zzzzzzzz Whiting will discuss the issue with the race stewards in Spain on Friday evening and come to a definitive decision on the way forward by the end of Saturday. 排位賽後Whiting會給個交代 附上超車規則 Article 20.2 of the sporting regulations: "Drivers must use the track at all times...Should a car leave the track the driver may rejoin only...when it is safe to do so and without gaining an advantage." 車手要賽車請在賽道內,跑出去要回來,只有安全的情況下,而且不能貪小便宜喔 Article 20.3 of the sporting regulations: "More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner." 防守只能變線一次啦,當你變線防守要回racing line進彎的時候,要給攻擊者一個車身的 空間 Article 20.4 of the sporting regulations: "Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car towards the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted." 蓄意的攻擊其他車手是會被罰的喔,像是惡意逼出賽道啦(大家對小羅斯堡在吵的), 或者隨便亂變線. 不負責翻譯看看就好..... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.225.237 ※ 編輯: gf65 來自: 118.160.225.237 (05/12 11:41)

05/12 12:24, , 1F
Ros防HAM有防到自己右側兩輪胎都上緩衝區,個人認為
05/12 12:24, 1F

05/12 12:25, , 2F
這是爭論是否為侵略的點。
05/12 12:25, 2F

05/12 12:29, , 3F
被逼出賽道上緩衝區,回來得利的情況很多,確實不好界
05/12 12:29, 3F

05/12 12:30, , 4F
定。Massa 08富士與海費最後一彎也有因此得利。
05/12 12:30, 4F

05/12 12:58, , 5F
08還07?我記得是07跟Kubica在富士,但兩者都衝出
05/12 12:58, 5F

05/12 12:59, , 6F
因此難界定,這場小黑直接賽道外超車到是滿明星的
05/12 12:59, 6F

05/12 13:00, , 7F
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05/12 13:10, , 8F

05/12 13:10, , 9F
兩人都把對方逼出去,在緩衝區超越。
05/12 13:10, 9F

05/12 13:13, , 10F

05/12 13:14, , 11F
基本上HAM完成超越是回到賽道後(占據內線),被逼出去
05/12 13:14, 11F

05/12 13:14, , 12F
只是保持了速度,又因為ROS讓出空間給HAM回來,才能
05/12 13:14, 12F

05/12 13:15, , 13F
在下一彎超越。
05/12 13:15, 13F

05/12 13:35, , 14F
這些車手真的厲害,電光火石之間還要去記這些規則
05/12 13:35, 14F

05/12 13:40, , 15F
些車手真的厲害,電光火石之間還要去記這些方向盤小按鈕
05/12 13:40, 15F

05/12 13:48, , 16F
那真要解釋其實也可解釋成利用緩衝區來搶內線,不過看裁判
05/12 13:48, 16F

05/12 13:50, , 17F
才準,總之是沒有下一次了!
05/12 13:50, 17F

05/12 13:52, , 18F
更可以單純的看:衝出賽道前,在小羅斯堡後面,衝出,並排
05/12 13:52, 18F

05/12 13:53, , 19F
回來,搶內線,有沒有因為衝出得利就看個人解讀囉~~
05/12 13:53, 19F

05/12 17:45, , 20F
就算得利判得來速也太苛,就是沒有揮藍旗的用法
05/12 17:45, 20F

05/12 17:47, , 21F
看個錄影開個會再判決,車手前後位置可能都已如前塵往事
05/12 17:47, 21F

05/12 17:48, , 22F
要車手還回位置也已不切實際了
05/12 17:48, 22F

05/13 13:18, , 23F
就看車手自己判斷囉 05年suzuka 小新切西瓜超車 過了兩個
05/13 13:18, 23F

05/13 13:18, , 24F
人還是讓回來了 第一次讓了馬上超 幹事要求再讓一次
05/13 13:18, 24F

05/13 13:19, , 25F
即使過了兩個人還是乖乖讓回去....08年的SPA小黑一樣讓了馬上
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05/13 13:19, , 26F
超 還來不及被幹事要求再讓一次 kimi就掛了 賽後+25秒
05/13 13:19, 26F

05/13 13:20, , 27F
總之就是車手自己要判斷讓不讓
05/13 13:20, 27F
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