Fw: [外絮] Fire Mark Jackson

看板G-S-WARRIORS (金洲 勇士)作者 (玩味人生)時間11年前 (2014/05/07 08:04), 11年前編輯推噓1(103)
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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1JQJY4k2 ] 作者: myrzr ( ) 站內: NBA 標題: [情報] Mark Jackson was fired 時間: Wed May 7 03:31:13 2014 消息來源:(網址或出處) http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2013/12/20/5229500/fire-mark-jackson 內容: It's time to fire Mark Jackson. 是時候讓 Jackson 走人了 The NBA is a player's league. At the end of the day, teams with top talent win. Teams with midlevel talent end up in the middle of the standings, and teams with poor talent end up in the lottery. 現今NBA是球員當道 擁有最佳天分的球隊獲勝,中段天分在聯盟中間的位置,後段天分的球隊則擁有樂透籤 Even a great tactician like Don Nelson didn't really have a lot of teams over-perform. His teams beat the teams they were supposed to beat. Phil Jackson? Does anyone think it's a coincidence that he kept taking jobs for teams that had championship-level talent, and left when their championship windows started closing? 即使像老尼這麼有戰術涵養的教練也無法讓球隊表現得比天分更好 只是贏本來就該贏的比賽 至於禪師?這是巧合嗎? 接任教練的時候球隊總擁有追逐總冠軍的天分,離去時球隊開始離開角逐冠軍的行列 So if we can't really judge a coach by wins and losses, how do we judge a coach? 如果無法以勝負評斷一個教練,我們如何評斷呢? I would argue that you judge an NBA coach in three areas: 可以三個地方來評論 The first is tactical. Does he understand rotations and timeouts? Does the team run offenses that respect its strengths and limitations? Does the defensive strategy make sense given the players? Does the coach make dynamic changes to exploit matchups during the game? Don Nelson was great at this. Eric Spoelstra is doing this at an elite level today. 1.戰術 教練懂得輪值轉換及喊暫停的時機嗎? 進攻時能讓球隊反映出強度及極限嗎? 給球員的防守策略合理嗎?教練能適時在比賽中利用對位嗎? 老尼精於此道 濕婆也是 The second is motivationally. This is important, and casual fans often underestimate it. Do the players buy into the team concept? Does the team show up and play every day? Phil Jackson was the master of this. 2.動機上 這很重要,一日球迷常常低估這項指標。球員能融入球隊嗎? 球隊能在每晚穩定發揮嗎? 禪師依然精於此道 The third is leadership. Does the coach provide a steady hand? Does he give the players enough rope to make mistakes, while still not tying himself to a sinking ship? Do players understand their roles and commit to them? Is the team resilient - can they steady themselves when the bounces and calls go the other way? Greg Popovich is the gold standard here. 3.領導力 教練能穩定地提供幫助嗎?他能給予球員犯錯的空間但不讓他自暴自棄嗎? 球員能理解自身的角色並且接受嗎?這球隊有韌性嗎? 即使狀況不好的時候,他們能穩定地發揮嗎? 波波是金牌指標 Mark Jackson is failing in all three areas. Jackson 三樣都不及格 Tactically, this team is a mess. Against bad teams, the team's superior passing makes this irrelevant, but against good defenses things get really ugly. The team reverts to isos despite not having particularly good isolation players. The bench unit hardly even looks like it's trying to run an offense at all, resulting in ugly turnovers as players who shouldn't be creating one-on-one have no choice but to try. The failure to install a second-unit offense is squarely on the coach. 戰術上,勇士隊一團混亂。對抗 no good team 的時候沒什麼差,但在面對好球隊的時候 進攻變得很糟。在沒有擁有夠好的單打球員情況下,球員開始單打。板凳上來時看起來 就像是不會進攻,明明沒機會,卻嘗試不該嘗試的單打導致了低級失誤。 板凳的問題就是教練的責任啦 Mark Jackson doesn't have the slightest clue as to when to call timeouts, and his management of rotations makes no sense at all. He either runs players into the ground, or goes full bench mob, which is entirely ineffective, when some simple changes (running Draymond more with the starters, Lee and Iguodala with the bench) would seem to be logical improvements. Jaskson 不懂得喊暫停的時機,換球員上場的時機看起來一點道理都沒有 要嘛就是一直打,要嘛就是整場坐板凳,這樣做是很沒效率的 讓 Draymond Green 跟先發一起發揮、Lee跟小AI帶著板凳打看起來是比較合理的 Mark Jackson's calling card has supposedly been his ability to be a motivator, but the reality is that this team has not been showing up regularly. The slow starts are on the coach. How often have you ever seen a Popovich, Jackson, or Riley coached team just not show up for the first quarter? The Warriors already have multiple losses against teams they should beat simply because they couldn't be bothered to show up until the second quarter. Jackson 在鼓舞士氣上看起來是比較好的,但是球隊的問題在於無法穩定發揮 慢熱是教練的問題。你很常看到波波、禪師、萊利執教的球隊第一節打得很差嗎? 勇士輸了幾場可以輕易贏的比賽就是因為第二節才開始進入狀況 Leadership is also lacking. Compare how Thibideau has handled Boozer with how Jackson has handled Lee. While neither will ever be a great defensive player, Boozer, for most of his tenure with the Bulls, has bought in. He moves his feet, gets his arms up, and moves to the right spot on defense. I just watched Lee back away from a shooter with his arms spread, making it impossible for anyone else to help. 領導力也不足 比較一下老席如何處理 Boozer 跟Jackson處理 Lee。Lee 跟 Boooooo 都不是好的防守者 boooooo能移動腳步、手伸起來 (防守)、移動到對的地方防守 反觀 Lee,離出手者很遠的地方揮舞著手,導致根本沒人可以幫忙防守 How is it that in over two season with Jackson, Lee hasn't figured out how to put his arms up when he helps on defense? That he still can't set a decent screen? Lee 在 Jackson 麾下都超過兩季了, Lee 難道還不知道如何用用他的手幫忙防守? 還不知道如何幫忙單檔嗎? Klay's mental lapses are primarily on Klay, but one could forget that Shaq was known for similar things early in his career, and Phil Jackson did a lot of work with him. Jackson has shown no ability to help Klay out of his funks. 湯神心靈上的毛病當然主要還是在他自己身上。 Shaq 也有類似的問題,禪師處理得很好,但 Jackson 看起來對於湯神的問題無能為力 The turnover problem has been on the players, sure, but it's the coach's job to find adjustments, to get the players to play a little more within themselves to address that problem. Jackson seems to have no ability to get the team to play within themselves, and his only method of slowing things down is to go into repeated isolations. 失誤當然是球員的問題,但如何調整就是教練的責任了,去幫助球員找出問題的根源 但 Jackson 的妙方就是反覆執行單打去避免失誤發生 And the Warriors frequently seem to play like a team that, if you challenge them, fold faster than superman on laundry day. Time after time it's come down to Curry's heroics to pull us back into games, and not even Michael Jordan won consistently when it was up to him to pull the team's ass out of the fire. 勇士常見的問題如下,如果你挑戰他們,他們崩毀地很快。一次又一次地 靠著 Curry 把比賽打得焦著,就算是 Jordan 也不可能在這種狀況下 將球隊帶離火坑一直贏下去 Jackson said recently that he had "I'm finding that the guys in suits and ties want it more than the guys in the uniforms." Guess what, Jackson? That's your job right there. It seems like his go-to move when frustrated is to say something to the media, but you can only go to that well so many times ... and at this point, it's already dry. Jackson 近來說道 "我發現穿西裝打領帶的那些人要得比穿球衣的那些人還多" (教練想要球員表現得更好) 猜猜說這話的是誰? Jackson? 這不正是他的責任嗎? 當沮喪時就對媒體說這些? 換點其他招式吧 The Warriors have good talent. They have an elite point guard in Curry, a great two-way player in Iguodala, and a top defensive center in Bogut. Rounding out our starting five we have players in Lee and Thompson who can be great when used the right way, but who have weaknesses which a coach needs to find ways to work with. When you add in a versatile player like Draymond who would have a role on every team in the league, and a young player with talent like Barnes who needs to be honed but clearly has potential, you have a team that should be doing better than these guys are doing. 勇士是有很好的天分的,特別是後衛 Curry,攻守俱佳的小 AI 及頂尖防守中樞 Bogut 在先發中,如果能好好運用 Lee 跟 湯神的話是可以發揮很大的作用的,但他兩的缺點 需要靠教練去幫忙掩飾。當你擁有多功能球員如 Draymond,他可以在聯盟任何 一支球隊中找到他的定位,或是有天分但還需要磨練的年輕人 Barnes在陣中 這支球隊應該要表現得比現在更好才對 The defensive intensity in the fourth quarter against the Spurs, the comebacks against Houston and Charlotte showed us that this team has the talent to play very good basketball. But somehow, they don't do it consistently. That's on the coach. 對陣馬刺時第四節的防守強度、對火箭及山貓時落後追上,這些告訴我們這支球隊 是有天分去把球賽打好的,但不知怎地他們無法穩定地表現 這當然是教練的責任 Hiring Mark Jackson wasn't a terrible decision. It was a gamble, sure, but not all gambles that don't work out are bad plays. The biggest mistake is to push more chips to the center of the table in a desperate attempt to save a lost hand. 雇用 Jackson 不是一個壞主意但有點賭的成分,不是所有賭輸都是不好的賭局 最大的錯誤在於梭哈求勝 The worst thing the team could do is to use the injuries as an excuse. Yes, losing O'neal and Ezeli hurt. Yes, missing Iguodala for a couple of weeks hurt. But well-coached teams don't collapse when missing a single key player. (If you needed any evidence of that, just look at last night: The Spurs were on the second night of a back-to-back, and down three of their four best players, and they found a way to win. The Warriors lose Iguodala and go into a tailspin for two weeks, with no adjustments, to attempt to work around the problem. 最糟的就是用傷病來當藉口。 是的,O'neal跟Ezeli是傷了。是的,小AI傷了幾週。 但是一個好的球隊不會因為缺了一位重要球員就崩壞,你要證據我就給你看 (昨天馬刺打了背靠背而且還少了最佳四位球員中的三位結果還是贏了) 反觀勇士,少了小 AI 在原地打轉了兩週而不調整、找出並且解決問題 (註:不知道這篇作者在說哪場) The problem is Jackson. It's time for him to go. 當然是 Jackson 的問題無誤,是時候讓他打包走人了 短評或心得:(如來源是中文的情報或新聞,請加上心得感想,字數不限 未加者將文章退回+刪文,謝謝大家的配合) 雖然勇士有一些傷病的困擾,但問題在於教練身上,所以你就打包吧 Jackson 有這麼差嗎? @@ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 165.91.12.106 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1399404676.A.B82.html ※ 編輯: myrzr (165.91.12.106), 05/07/2014 04:30:23

05/07 03:36, , 1F
NBA GAME TIME 馬上跳通知
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05/07 03:37, , 2F
你的標題...跟內文的標題差很多
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NBA Game Time 馬上跳通知+1
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05/07 03:39, , 4F
NBA的官方APP真的是超快,和網站同步的訊息速度
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05/07 03:41, , 5F
跳+1.....竟然還是走人了....
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05/07 03:42, , 6F
最該走的麥克海爾沒走
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05/07 03:43, , 7F
裡面提到的三點沒做到,感覺根本在形容火箭教練
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05/07 03:43, , 8F
這故事告訴我們 巴結上司xd
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05/07 03:46, , 9F
翻譯:跟高層不合
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05/07 03:47, , 10F
畢竟是在西區啊,哪有那麼容易出線
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05/07 03:48, , 11F
主因就是看你聽不聽話
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05/07 03:57, , 12F
看完分析Jackson的確有些需要改進 但絕不到開除這麼
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05/07 03:57, , 13F
嚴重阿 反觀火箭唉
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05/07 04:13, , 14F
Mark Jackson之前在Monta Ellis走的時候 莫名放一堆
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05/07 04:14, , 15F
消息暗示Ellis是毒瘤 對他這個行為很感冒...
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05/07 04:16, , 16F
他也對Bogut背後開槍過 基本今年一輪遊是該換人了
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05/07 04:26, , 17F
....這麼沒耐心
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05/07 04:31, , 18F
sorry 我看了 nba 跳的消息看到這邊混在一起了
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05/07 04:31, , 19F
原來Ellis是毒瘤是她那邊傳出來的?
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05/07 04:35, , 20F
改一些錯字
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05/07 04:39, , 21F
sad
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※ 編輯: myrzr (165.91.12.106), 05/07/2014 04:41:49

05/07 04:43, , 22F
他有這麼差啊...那冰箱不就....
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05/07 04:44, , 23F
如果以這標準 McHale也該走人
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05/07 04:44, , 24F
傷病能算教練的錯嗎...
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05/07 04:45, , 25F
大屁股哪有這麼差...
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05/07 04:48, , 26F
作者看法是傷病不是藉口,教練要懂得適時調整
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05/07 04:49, , 27F
以這標準咧 彷彿這兩位教練有同一個老闆 是同事似的
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05/07 04:54, , 28F
...
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05/07 04:56, , 29F
第六種子傷了主將打不贏第三種子就該走人?什麼邏輯阿
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05/07 04:57, , 30F
勇士今年勝場不是破紀錄了嗎?別搞的像今年金塊一樣
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05/07 04:59, , 31F
這篇滿中肯的 他真的不怎麼樣 只是人很好而已
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05/07 05:07, , 32F
其實這篇真的說的沒錯...
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05/07 05:11, , 33F
冰箱活好好的 真可憐
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05/07 05:14, , 34F
說真的 少了三主將還能打出像樣比賽的 也只有馬刺
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05/07 05:15, , 35F
他可以fire 大屁股 但他找不到另一個popo
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05/07 05:15, , 36F
傷病來了 問題也是不會解決...
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05/07 05:20, , 37F
勇士今年勝場哪有破紀錄...=.= 是快艇勝場破紀錄
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05/07 05:21, , 38F
fire大屁股感覺像去年灰熊fire Hollins..
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冰箱後台真硬
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05/07 05:47, , 40F
fire他找的到金牌教練接手嗎?
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05/07 05:49, , 41F
如果手邊沒更好的人選,這篇不是很實際
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05/07 05:56, , 42F
小AI受傷 是在季初的時候,好像是膝蓋,小AI不在的
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期間,開季很神勇的勇士好像突然變得不會打球,不過
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之後有回穩就是
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05/07 06:00, , 45F
我覺得Mark最大的問題,在於H.Barnes的使用
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05/07 06:02, , 46F
然後很操先發也是個問題
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05/07 06:08, , 47F
勇士找來小黑 找來克勞德 他們還是像個三線替補
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05/07 06:08, , 48F
要是勇士GM一定會挺不爽XD....
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說真的勇士的陣容到深度說不定是西區第一...
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05/07 06:20, , 50F
Bogut Lee 小AI Klay Curry
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05/07 06:21, , 51F
反而冰箱爽爽det
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小歐 Speights 哈棒 Green 小黑
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05/07 06:22, , 53F
還有 crawford+Ezeli 其實還蠻OP的
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05/07 06:23, , 54F
這種時候看看死光槍就會覺得強的噁心...
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05/07 06:24, , 55F
怎麼還有人在扯第六種子打不贏第三種子導致大屁股走
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05/07 06:25, , 56F
人?他的去留問題早就浮上檯面已久,跟助理教練連著出
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05/07 06:25, , 57F
狀況,高層對他準備比賽還有球隊練習態度有意見,早
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05/07 06:25, , 58F
就不是新聞了。
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05/07 06:34, , 59F
扯這些有的沒的...問題根本不是這些吧
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05/07 06:45, , 60F
除非跟高層不合 以他帶兵狀況 不應該就這樣被炒了
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05/07 06:48, , 61F
反觀 mcfail
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05/07 06:49, , 62F
那寫那麼多根本是廢話,原因就是沒拍高層馬屁,跟調度
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05/07 06:50, , 63F
無關囉,要可以扯這些,每個教練都可以找到點來開除
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05/07 06:52, , 64F
冰箱沒走他先走……
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05/07 06:53, , 65F
能歸因為沒拍高層馬屁也很厲害,老闆對你的帶兵有意
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見,不用到季後賽,二月時候就公開講了,你跟管理階
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層看重的助理教練搞不好,而且不是發生一次,這些都
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是除了戰績因素外(對,勇士老闆是覺得打得還不夠好)
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05/07 06:55, , 69F
早早就有Mark Jackson可能這是最後一季的風聲傳得沸
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05/07 06:55, , 70F
沸揚揚了。這不是拍不拍老闆馬屁的問題。
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05/07 07:23, , 71F
結果冰箱繼續混爽爽…
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05/07 07:30, , 72F
冰箱表示
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05/07 07:30, , 73F
要炒掉人還掰不出理由嗎
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05/07 07:33, , 74F
去年有第二輪 今年補的不差一輪遊 被炒理由算夠了
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05/07 07:42, , 75F
沒先發中鋒還可以和西區強權殺到第七戰 不差了
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05/07 07:45, , 76F
大屁股進勇士之前是支什麼球隊,現在打輸快艇很嚴重嗎
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05/07 07:58, , 77F
我猜明年勇士開始進不了季後賽
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05/07 08:04, , 78F
借轉炒魷魚版 謝
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※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: xpu (203.67.9.104), 05/07/2014 08:04:39

05/17 12:23, , 79F
跟管理階層看中的助理教練處不好,不是就是等於
05/17 12:23, 79F

05/17 12:23, , 80F
不會拍馬屁嗎?我是總教練,應該要助理教練配合我吧...
05/17 12:23, 80F

05/17 12:24, , 81F
勝負算我的,然後要我配合助理教練,怎麼看都是
05/17 12:24, 81F

05/17 12:24, , 82F
不會拍馬屁的結果阿...
05/17 12:24, 82F
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