[閒聊]Kelly Shoppach

看板Indians作者 (小灰)時間16年前 (2009/12/02 02:18), 編輯推噓2(2040)
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Shopping for Shoppachby Dan Budreika - November 27, 2009 Kelly Shoppach is a potential non tender or trade candidate this off season. But the soon-to-be 30 year old still does have value despite a disappointing 2009 season. He’s destined for a raise after making nearly $2 million in 2009 and the Indians have a MLB ready catcher in Lou Marson whose waiting in the wings. And don’t forget about blue chip prospect Carlos Santana who will be banging on the MLB door after destroying Double-A pitching in 2009. The former Baylor standout was the first college catcher selected in the 2001 draft by the Red Sox. They used their first available selection on him in the second round. He appeared on Baseball America’s top 10 Red Sox prospect lists for a few seasons before being dealt away to Cleveland before 2006 in the Coco Crisp deal. Shoppach spent time as Victor Martinez’s backup and when Martinez went down with injuries in 2008 Shoppach ran with the starting opportunity. He led all starting catchers in 2009 ISO (.256) in 353 at-bats. All in all he hit for a .370 wOBA but his .261/.348/.517 line was fueled by a .359 BABIP. David G. successfully predicted a decline in Shoppach’s 2009 production. While Shoppach’s 2009 batting average plummeted to .214 he still reached base at an above average clip (.335) but his prestigious power that the hacktastic Shoppach previously featured vanished. In 89 games and 271 at-bats Shoppach slugged .399 with 12 home runs. Shoppach was squeezed for playing time this season. Before some late season trades he was vying for playing time with Victor Martinez as the regular catcher and Ryan Garko at first base. Travis Hafner gobbled up DH time when his shoulder cooperated with him. Prior to the trades Shoppach would typically see playing time when Martinez played first base, Shoppach caught, and Garko hit the pine or saw time at designated hitter. Shoppach didn’t receive an ample opportunity to produce at the rate he did in 2008 until the trades of Garko and Martinez. With the acquisition of Lou Marson (who also received a September call up and could start 2010 as the starting catcher) Shoppach doesn’t seem to fit in with the Indians. They already have another capable and cheaper back up in Wyatt Toregas. Marson and someone else (possibly Toregas) will likely keep the catching seat warm until Carlos Santana bursts onto the big league scene. While Shoppach didn’t receive the best opportunity to replicate his 2008 showing he still presents value to other MLB clubs if the Indians do indeed decide to move on. Shoppach’s always been known as a strikeout prone (his strikeout rate is right up there with Jack Cust and Mark Reynolds at 36%) catcher with plus power and solid defense. Scouting reports usually treat Shoppach well in the defensive department. But for what its worth from a recent quantitative standpoint/analysis from new Fangraphs contributor Matt Klaassen AKA Devil_Fingers he was rated as a smidge below average in 2009 (#84 on the list and -1.5 totalruns). While a throbbing .359 BABIP aided Shoppach’s stellar 2008 campaign a .286 BABIP cut into his 2009 slash stats. The average 2009 MLB hitters BABIP was .299 and that may lead you to believe that Shoppach’s 2009 BABIP normally regressed to the mean. But that is wrong. Shoppach’s consistently over performed the league average BABIP throughout his short career until 2009. Dating back to 2006 his BABIPS has been .286, .359, .357, and .387. It’s likely a fluke that this number remained so high in 2006 and 2007 despite just 110 and 161 at-bats. This data tells us that Shoppach isn’t a .286 BABIP hitter and that number damaged his 2009 numbers heavily even though he walked and struck out at a similar rate to his 2008 season. The Hardball Times has the best BABIP estimator currently available and this trusty tool can paint a much better picture than raw BABIP. The new toy (and new Rotographs favorite) finds an estimated BABIP based upon his rate of HR’s, K’s, SB’s, line drives, fly balls, pop ups and groundballs. This tool gives us a .332 BABIP for Shoppach in 2009 and a .322 mark for him during his 2008 career year. This estimator suppresses his 2008 numbers but does not damage them as much as alternative methods suggest. Over Shoppach’s career (right around 900 at-bats) The Hardball Times BABIP estimator has his estimated career BABIP at .327 so his 2009 expected BABIP of .332 doesn’t sound out of line at all. This represents a much more realistic BABIP skill for Shoppach. A .332 BABIP for Shoppach in 2009 would have given him a .260/.381/.445 line assuming that all of those extra hits were singles. It’s fair to assume that his power would have increased more than the normal player with a boosted BABIP due to his known knack to hit for power so this revised projection might be a little light on the power side. I’d personally suppress the batting average and OBP a bit while adding some to the slugging percentage. That gives you some nifty production from the catcher position that some team will have to find resourceful if Cleveland decides to cut ties with the arbitration eligible Shoppach. It’s worth keeping a close eye on Shoppach’s situation this off season especially since he doesn’t appear to fit Cleveland’s plans very well. Wherever he lands the month of March will likely be key to his future. If Shoppach receives ample playing time he should be a cheap source of power from the catcher position and can be had extra late in your drafts or plucked off of the waiver wire due to his uninspiring, yet misleading, 2009 campaign. 已經是幾天前的文章了,有一點長就大意翻 2008年Shoppach打的非常非常的好 .261/.348/.517 ISO .256 BABIP .359 2009年因為遠低於生涯平均的煞氣BABIP.286(聯盟平均.299)讓他三圍只有.217/.335/.399 如果用.332的BABIP來估2009,成績會變成.260/.381/.445(LD%是生涯的新高的21.8%) 擁有很好的選球眼,唯一缺點是太會被K了...冏(K% 36.2%和Reynolds及Cust有得比) 其實想藉這篇文章請問笑臉人的版友們,貴隊明年比較可能怎麼對待他呢?明年雖然不用 再和Garko.V-Mart.Pronk分打數,可是Marson已經ready了,下面還有Santana(真羨慕:P) 有可能會在今年交易他嗎?甚至是non-tender? PS 如果有違反版規或造成版友們不滿請告訴我 我會自D :P -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.43.198.189

12/02 02:31, , 1F
non-tender不可能,定位的話要看情況....
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12/02 02:31, , 2F
Marson打的不錯,但是他應該是被定位成1.5號捕手...
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12/02 02:31, , 3F
1號捕手是要空給Santana
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12/02 02:32, , 4F
而Santana明年應該會要一個完整的3A球季...
12/02 02:32, 4F

12/02 02:33, , 5F
所以說比較合理的情況是讓 Shoppach 跟Marson競爭先發位置
12/02 02:33, 5F

12/02 02:33, , 6F
Shoppach明年應該會有100~120場的先發
12/02 02:33, 6F

12/02 02:34, , 7F
如果打出行情的話,不排除在季中交易他
12/02 02:34, 7F

12/02 02:36, , 8F
謝謝g大^^ 會有non-tender想法是看到MLB 17978的
12/02 02:36, 8F

12/02 02:41, , 9F
那篇有少可用之兵,有些是因為怕仲裁浪費錢,所以列上去
12/02 02:41, 9F

12/02 02:41, , 10F
但Kelly今年打這麼鳥,打仲裁也不可能打贏...
12/02 02:41, 10F

12/02 02:42, , 11F
薪水大約在1.5~2.0M之間....
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12/02 02:42, , 12F
用他打一年,提升交易價值是比較好的做法
12/02 02:42, 12F

12/02 02:43, , 13F
除非球隊有把握 non-tender以後,可以用1M以內的價格簽回
12/02 02:43, 13F

12/02 02:44, , 14F
否則即使讓他走,還要找一個0.5~1.5M的二號捕手,省不了錢
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12/02 02:48, , 15F
BTW...或許有人會想說,Santana今年在2A也滿殺的...
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12/02 02:48, , 16F
直接從2A拉到大聯盟也不是沒有球隊幹過
12/02 02:48, 16F

12/02 02:49, , 17F
如果把 Shoppach 交易掉,正好位置空出來讓Santana一號搭配
12/02 02:49, 17F

12/02 02:49, , 18F
Marson二號
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12/02 02:50, , 19F
但要考慮到目前球隊對 Santana 期望甚高
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12/02 02:50, , 20F
這樣的話會不會太奢侈!!!Orz
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12/02 02:50, , 21F
自然不希望rush他,如果他能在3A證明他左右手的打擊都可以屠
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12/02 02:51, , 22F
殺那個level的投手,那八月份叫上來也不遲
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12/02 02:51, , 23F
除此之外,你看板上討論也知道明年是重建年
12/02 02:51, 23F

12/02 02:52, , 24F
想省錢想到錙銖必較的球隊
12/02 02:52, 24F

12/02 02:52, , 25F
當然不會忘掉年資問題
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12/02 02:52, , 26F
既然Santana至少還需要半個3A球季
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12/02 02:53, , 27F
而好好控制日期絕對可以多用他一年
12/02 02:53, 27F

12/02 02:53, , 28F
那有必要在重建年的開季就讓他從2A直升大聯盟嗎
12/02 02:53, 28F

12/02 02:54, , 29F
如果答案是沒必要,那自然就是用 Shoppach 頂著,順便培養一
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12/02 02:54, , 30F
下交易價值發揮剩餘的光芒
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12/02 02:58, , 31F
了解了 再次感謝goopa大 :P
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12/02 03:00, , 32F
我不是說 Shoppach 一定不會被移動 (也許會有球隊提出不錯的
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12/02 03:00, , 33F
我在想,那些觸身球可能對他也造成成績上的影響
12/02 03:00, 33F

12/02 03:01, , 34F
價碼來換他想說逢低買進) 那順勢交易也是有可能的
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12/02 03:01, , 35F
希望10年盲砲少盲多砲 觸身球還是少挨一點好
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12/02 03:01, , 36F
但沒有特別的誘因,應該也不會特別動到他
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12/02 03:02, , 37F
原因就如前述,目前是把Santana定位為大物 未來的一號捕手
12/02 03:02, 37F

12/02 03:02, , 38F
而Marson是1.5號捕手,送禮自用兩相宜那型
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12/02 03:03, , 39F
如果說有人把 Marson也視為是全明星捕手潛力的類型
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12/02 03:04, , 40F
那把 Shoppach 清掉空位置給他很合理,但目前評估不是這樣
12/02 03:04, 40F

12/02 03:56, , 41F
推文看到光芒兩字...算是預言中嗎?
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12/02 03:57, , 42F
Rays Acquire Kelly Shoppach
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