[外絮] 論林書豪的簽約價

看板Jeremy_Lin (林書豪)作者 (原PO大叔)時間13年前 (2012/07/19 05:09), 編輯推噓16(16012)
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ESPN 的新聞,原文出處:http://goo.gl/NiIYa By Beckley Mason ESPN.com Is three years and $25 million too much to pay Jeremy Lin? 三年2500美金的價格對林書豪來說太高了嗎? If he's a starting-quality guard, that rate seems to be about average. Here's a sample of what starting point guards earn in the NBA: 以一個先發等級的後衛來說,這個價錢不過是平均數字而已。這邊列出來一些 NBA先發控衛的薪水 Chris Paul, $17.79 million Deron Williams, avg $20 million Derrick Rose, $15.5 million Russell Westbrook, $12.9 million Tony Parker, $12.5 million Rajon Rondo, $11 million Jose Calderon, $10.5 million Steve Nash, $9 million Rodney Stuckey, $8.5 million Goran Dragic, $8.5 million Devin Harris, $8.5 million George Hill, $8 million Mike Conley, $7.3 million Kyle Lowry, $5.8 million Jarrett Jack, $5.4 million Andre Miller, $5 million Luke Ridnour, $4 million Ray Felton, $3.3 million Where does Jeremy Lin, with a contract averaging 8.4 million a year, fit in? 那麼林書豪這份平均年薪840萬的薪水在這個列表中排在哪裡? At 23 and still improving, it's fair to say that he Lin's potential is worth more than the likes of Jarrett Jack and Andre Miller -- two steady, helpful veterans with no upside. In his 26 game stint as a starter he posted a better PER than George Hill, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Goran Dragic and Rajon Rondo. 年僅23歲,還在進步中。我們可以很合理的說林書豪的潛力要大於 Jarrett Jack 或 Andre Miller 這兩個狀況穩定但已經沒什麼進步空間的老球員。在他先發的26場比 賽之中它的球員效率值(PER)勝過 George Hill, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Goran Dragic 跟 Rajon Rondo。 PER is just a baseline statistic. Still, it's a good indicator that Lin can play. But let's say that Lin doesn't produce like he did when Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire were injured and thus left him with bountiful opportunities to find shots for himself and others. Even if he settles into being a solid starting point guard for the next few years -- remember he's younger and has had less time to develop in the NBA than Conley, Dragic and Hill -- that would be good value. 當然,球員效率值場均只是個統計數字。但是這仍然可以代表林書豪是個能打的球員。 讓我們退一步說林書豪打不出瓜罵步在時那段林來瘋的成績,只要他仍然成為一個穩定 的先發,那麼這個價格仍然是一個合理的價格。更何況別忘了它還年輕,他受的訓練與 經驗還比不上Conley, Dragic或Hill這些人,所以他進步空間還很大。 The only players who produced like Lin last season and make less than the Rockets were willing to pay Lin were all either on rookie scale contracts or named Kyle Lowry. And Lowry is due for a raise. 這個列表中的球員打得不錯但是薪水比840萬少的除了Kyle Lowry之外都還在領菜鳥 約。而Lowry已經到了要換約的時間了。 When it comes to useful starting point guards you didn't draft, it's almost impossible to find one that will be cheaper than the price the Rockets set for Lin. Because they are capped out, the Knicks can't acquire another point guard through free agency at Lin's cost, and they also lack a first-round draft pick in 2013. So it's not a choice between Lin and another $8 million per year point guard, it's between Lin and whatever they can shoehorn into Kidd or Felton's $3 million salary spot, sign on a minimum deal, or trade for. 當你想要經由非選秀的手段拿到一個可用的先發控衛時,你不太可能提出比這份合 約還要廉價的數字了。尼克因為薪資破表,而且又在之前失去了2013年的地一輪選 秀權。所以實際上對尼克隊來說問題已經不是在林書豪或另一個價值年薪八百萬的 控衛之中的選擇,而是要選擇林書豪,或是找一個願意接受如Kidd跟肥頓一樣這種 年薪三百萬的約的人。 Long story short: Instead of paying Lin the going rate for a starting point guard, the Knicks ended up signing Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd, two players who ranked at the bottom of starting point guards in the NBA, for nearly equivalent cost next season. 長話短說,相較於選擇林書豪,並且付出這個合理的價格。尼克隊選擇了用差不多 的價格簽下Kidd跟肥頓這兩個目前NBA排名靠後的先發控衛。(言下之意... 尼克 你到底在想什麼?) All but three point guards (Lowry, Jarrett Jack and Jordan Farmar) with a PER above league average (15.0) make $8 million or more. 回到前頭所說的,在這個列表之中,球員效率值(PER)超過15.0(註:PER=15代表 剛好在平均表現,超過代表高於平均)的控衛之中,只有三個人沒拿超過800萬的 年薪。 This is a simple fact of the NBA marketplace. 這個就是NBA現在的市場行情(註:也就是林書豪該有的市場價值啦!) -- ESPN除了SAS那種白爛以外還是有腦袋清楚的人嘛~ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 131.204.251.5 ※ 編輯: Starwindd 來自: 131.204.251.5 (07/19 05:09)

07/19 05:16, , 1F
底色白色有點太亮了~我快要瞎掉啦
07/19 05:16, 1F

07/19 05:17, , 2F
大叔是用的是火箭標準色XD
07/19 05:17, 2F

07/19 05:19, , 3F
應該不需要亮白底 有的電腦螢幕會覺得很痛苦
07/19 05:19, 3F

07/19 05:20, , 4F
2F正解 ^^; 就原諒我這篇吧
07/19 05:20, 4F

07/19 05:23, , 5F
不要標整行 標一些片段就不會刺眼了
07/19 05:23, 5F

07/19 05:24, , 6F
痛苦的看完了~感謝翻譯~這篇超中肯!!!不過可不可以換成紅
07/19 05:24, 6F

07/19 05:25, , 7F
底白字~或是字改成暗紅色之類的
07/19 05:25, 7F
哈哈,好啦,看來大家都很痛苦~改成黑底紅字有好一點嗎? ※ 編輯: Starwindd 來自: 131.204.251.5 (07/19 05:30)

07/19 05:56, , 8F
尼克放棄主要還是因為第三年增幅無法想像,這不是沒道理
07/19 05:56, 8F

07/19 05:57, , 9F
火箭應該也有空間把第三年的風險在前兩年分散掉,這是尼克
07/19 05:57, 9F

07/19 05:57, , 10F
做不到的
07/19 05:57, 10F

07/19 06:13, , 11F
主要還是那個26場樣本小 在複製這樣的數據一季就行
07/19 06:13, 11F

07/19 07:06, , 12F
http://ppt.cc/1VHI MVP!!MVP!!..不是我喊的喔.XD
07/19 07:06, 12F

07/19 07:11, , 13F
感謝翻譯
07/19 07:11, 13F

07/19 07:25, , 14F
PER 的定義是15,表示「聯盟平均球員」能打出來的數字
07/19 07:25, 14F

07/19 07:26, , 15F
當一個球員的 PER > 15,表示高於聯盟平均水準
07/19 07:26, 15F

07/19 07:26, , 16F
當一個球員的PER < 15,表示他的表現低於聯盟平均水準
07/19 07:26, 16F

07/19 07:35, , 17F
所以原意是說,只要控衛的表現高於聯盟平均水準,年薪
07/19 07:35, 17F

07/19 07:35, , 18F
8M 就是目前的市場價值。
07/19 07:35, 18F
感謝puppets大的指正,已經修正了。

07/19 08:28, , 19F
說穿了一堆人眼紅,另外有一些歧視,剩下的就是瞎起鬨
07/19 08:28, 19F

07/19 08:50, , 20F
會眼紅很正常 lin打幾場而已 這是事實 只是我們支持他
07/19 08:50, 20F

07/19 09:16, , 21F
推謝翻譯
07/19 09:16, 21F

07/19 10:23, , 22F
那怎麼不反問,其他人有誰只打幾場可以影響這麼大?
07/19 10:23, 22F

07/19 10:24, , 23F
給他們機會他們打得出來嗎? 有那麼大顆的心臟敢絕殺嗎?
07/19 10:24, 23F

07/19 10:28, , 24F
Dragic先發資歷也不多阿 還不是照樣一年領了8.5m
07/19 10:28, 24F

07/19 12:47, , 25F
推!!
07/19 12:47, 25F

07/19 20:01, , 26F
689外掛才是重點
07/19 20:01, 26F

07/19 20:30, , 27F
u大那2句也是我看到JR說法之後心裡一直的os啊
07/19 20:30, 27F

07/19 23:19, , 28F
其實我覺得平均800萬ok 但尼克不跟最主要是第三年的薪資
07/19 23:19, 28F
※ 編輯: Starwindd 來自: 131.204.251.5 (07/20 02:39) ※ Starwindd:轉錄至看板 NBA 07/20 02:44
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