[閒聊] The Case for Tyrus Thomas as a King

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The Case for Tyrus Thomas as a King 從國王角度看Tyrus Thomas http://0rz.tw/OCeRJ 請先看這段影片 http://0rz.tw/yFdK6 Let me start by telling you my conclusion. My conclusion is that it is worth giving up our 2011 (NOT 2010) first rounder, lottery or not, for Tyrus Thomas. How did I arrive at this conclusion? Well that is what we're going to explore today. Tyrus Thomas, selected 4th in the 2006 NBA Draft by the Portland Trail Blazers, and then traded to the Chicago Bulls for LaMarcus Aldridge, was expected to be a building block for the Bulls future. 4 years and 3 coaches later (that sounds familiar), it was not meant to be. At least not for the Bulls. As stated earlier, the Bulls are looking to trade Tyrus Thomas for a first round pick. The Kings are among teams interested, and unlike the other teams listed, can offer a better pick than any of them. The 2011 first round pick. Unprotected. I doubt anyone who has perused this site or followed the Kings for more than a day would question that the Kings biggest need is a big man, one who can guard the paint, rebound, and score a bit. Tyrus Thomas does all those things, a few of them better than any of the current Kings big men. 我認為可以用2011年首輪﹝非2010，不一定是樂透簽﹞交易Tyrus Thomas。為何我會做出這種判斷，以下是我的說明。 Tyrus Thomas在2006年第4順位被波特蘭拓荒者選中，隨後被交易至芝加哥公牛隊換取 LaMarcus Aldridge，公牛將他視為球隊的未來培養，四年過去，經歷過三位教頭的帶領，如今他已經被排除在公牛的未來之外。本季公牛已經將他擺上交易名單希望能換取第一輪選秀權，國王是感興趣的隊伍之一，國王比其他隊伍佔優勢之處在於可以提供較高順位的選秀權，2011年不受保護的首輪籤。我知道很多人會質疑國王現在需要的是一個能守護禁區，保護籃板並適時得分的大個子， Tyrus Thomas符合上述條件，而且比國王現在所有的長人都做的要好。 Why is Thomas so maligned in Chicago if he's such a good player then Aykis? Why aren't they trying to keep him? Well Thomas hasn't been a model citizen in Chicago, and to be fair, he has had 3 coaches in his short career and none of them offered him consistency as has been well documented. Here's a good quote from Kelly Dwyer, a lifelong Bulls fan, from his article on Thomas yesterday: I can't think of a single player, with the possible exception of New York's David Lee, that has been jerked around more than Thomas. And I can't think of a single player, with no exception, that has acted like more of a prat than Tyrus. A nasty combination. One doesn't lead to the other, but it doesn't help. Thomas was drafted as a project by the Bulls in 2006, but he was never treated like a project. Instead, he was treated like some four-year college starter that had been on CBS too many times to mention, and someone who was used to the grind. Thomas wasn't used to the grind. He was a basketball scrub until his late teens. He only had one year of slapping the backboards at LSU. He was ready, but he wasn't ready. It's a messy situation in Chicago to say the least 如果TT是比阿基基好的球員，為何他現在卻變成公牛的毒瘤？為何公牛不留下他？因為TT在芝加哥的私生活表現並不好，另外公正的評論TT場上的表現，帶過TT的三位教頭從未提供TT穩定的上場時間來證明自己的身價。公牛的死忠球迷Kelly Dwyer有一篇關於 TT的中肯評論：最適合和TT比較的人是大衛貓，但我想不到任何一個人和TT有一樣多的問題。他和大衛貓之間並沒有孰優孰劣的問題，所以和大衛貓比較並沒有幫助。 TT在2006年被視為公牛未來的藍圖而選入隊中，然而他從未被視為球隊的未來來培養，球隊使用他的方式，讓他看起來像是一個沒有潛力大四生，只適合作苦工用。而TT不該只是被當苦工用，他一直到高中才專注於籃球，而且只受了LSU一年的籃球訓練。他具備進入 NBA的條件，但他的技巧還不夠成熟。保守的說，這是個複雜的局面。 make a point, here's what Thomas's Minutes per game looks like for this year for the 27 games he's played (he missed a big chunk because of a broken arm): Notice the dip in minutes to start the season. That's where he gets injured. He got MORE minutes in his first game back from injury than he did before he was injured (He scored 21, had 9 boards, and 2 blocks in that game btw). Not much consistency on that chart. In one of those games, a 3 point loss to Philadelphia, he went 6-8 from the field and grabbed 6 boards, and he only got 15 minutes of game time. The Kings also have a history of dealing with malcontents and have been known as a place where players have been able to thrive after leaving bad situations (Webber, Bonzi, and Artest come to mind). 下圖是TT今年27場比賽的上場時間﹝他因為手傷缺席大部分比賽﹞ http://0rz.tw/rIurl 請注意第一個最低點，TT在那場比賽受傷，傷癒歸隊的第一場比賽，TT獲得了比之前還多的上場時間﹝那場比賽他的成績為21分9籃板2火鍋﹞，但之後仍沒獲得穩定的上場時間，其中一場三分輸給七六人的比賽，他8投6中，抓了6顆籃板，而且只上場15分鐘。國王帶這些「慘綠少年」非常的有經驗，球員們在脫離原本不好的處境後總能在這裡成長茁壯﹝大家都還記得Webber，Bonzi和阿泰吧﹞ Let's take a look at the stats now. Tyrus Thomas is 1 month younger than the Kings very own Jason Thompson, despite being in his 4th year in the league. He would be a better defensive rebounder than any of the Kings bigs that play meaningful minutes (Sean May is the Kings leading defensive rebounder). He would be by far the best interior defender and shot blocker the Kings have had since Keon Clark. He's almost as good a shot blocker as another guy the Kings have reportedly had interest in, Samuel Dalembert, and his block rate would be good for 8th in the league. On offense, Thomas is knocked for his much maligned jump shot, but it is improving, and besides, he attempts most of his shots up close, and he makes a very high percentage of them. 來看看一些數字，儘管TT已經在聯盟待四年了，他還是比小湯小一個月，他的防守籃板優於國王所有獲得充分上場時間的長人﹝May的防守籃板是全隊最佳﹞，他會是國王自Keon Clark後最好的禁區防守者和封蓋者，他的封阻能力跟其他國王有興趣的球員﹝大攬伯﹞一樣好，他的封阻率在聯盟中排第八名。進攻上，他最為人垢病的是他的跳投，但情況已有改善，此外他的攻擊偏重於禁區附近，而且命中率很高。 The Kings weren't going to be players in the 2010 offseason anyway, so acquiring Thomas would be a solid move for our future in my opinion. Players like Kirilenko, Dalembert, Murphy, who might be able to help a little bit now (and are worth a lot of money I might add), might be able to add a few wins for a year or so, but what's that do other than hurt our lottery position now? It's not like we're planning on keeping those guys for the future are we? Thomas is a guy we can acquire with our eyes set on the future. At some point, acquiring/developing lottery picks will not help the team as much as it is now. This year the Kings will have another high-mid lottery pick, making it our 4th straight year in the lottery. Hopefully, we're going to keep on improving, and while we probably won't make the playoffs next year knowing how hard it is in the West, we shouldn't be too far behind, especially if you factor in the improved interior defense a guy like Thomas can bring, improvement in Tyreke and Kevin working together, improvement in our other young guys, not to mention our lottery pick. So in 2011, when we're gearing up for a possible playoff run, does another lottery pick help this team as much as a Tyrus Thomas not yet in his prime? A pick who for all we know could take 3-4 years to develop? Acquiring Thomas is help for the now, and help for the future in my opinion. We don't necessarily have to trade for him, and we don't necessarily have to give up that 2011 first rounder (as Ziller explains over at FanHouse, the Bulls are trying to get out Thomas's potential cap hold, so getting anything for him would be a gain) and we could wait until the offseason and see if we can pick him up as an FA, but if the Bulls trade him, the team that gets him likely wants to keep him, and they have him under Restricted status. I think giving up that 2011 pick to secure Thomas is a risk I'd be willing to take. 國王不會是今年暑假的買家，所以在我的眼中TT對於我們的未來是不錯的選擇。 Kirilenko、Dalembert和Murphy之類的球員或許可以讓我們的成績有小幅的進步﹝但也很貴﹞，可以幫我們在這幾年內多贏幾勝，但反面來說，這也不正是對我們目前選秀的順位造成傷害嗎？而我們有把這些球員放在未來的藍圖中嗎？TT是可以放在我們未來計畫中的球員，有時後選秀權並不能給予球隊立即的幫助，今年我們將擁有高順位的樂透籤，這是我們連續第四年抽樂透。希望明年我們就算進不了季後賽，至少也能逼近季後賽的門檻，特別是當你禁區防守透過TT來補強，保有reke和馬丁讓他們一起進步，其他球員也隨著一起進步，這時候就不需要在乎樂透了。因此在2011年時，當我們有足夠的實力挑戰季後賽時，一支樂透籤對我們的幫助會比TT大嗎？我們都知道一名新秀至少要三到四年才會成熟。 TT對我們有立即的幫助，也能夠成為我們未來的戰力。我們不一定要交易他，也不一定要放棄2011年的樂透籤﹝根據Ziller的說法，公牛肯定不會續約TT，所以現在TT換到甚麼對他們都有賺無賠﹞，我們也可以等到季末看可不可以從FA簽到他，但一旦公牛把他交易出去，表示獲得他的隊伍會把他留住，而且他們有優先簽約權。用2011年的樂透籤換TT是個賭注，我覺得值得一試。 -- 我覺得2011年的籤是個很好的籌碼，但要有前三順位保護，因為2011年有大物中鋒參選。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.167.187.12