[外電] The Problems With Ekpe Udoh

看板Kings (沙加緬度 國王)作者 (C'est la vie)時間15年前 (2010/05/20 11:01), 編輯推噓43(430135)
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http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2010/5/19/1479223/the-problems-with-ekpe-udoh see several fans jumping aboard the Ekpe Udoh bandwagon as the Kings' superdupersleeper pick. It's quite clever, and I don't mean that in a dismissive or condescending way. Clearly, multiple fans think Udoh could be in play at No. 5, despite his status as a low lottery prospect on most boards. This, to me, indicates that several fans find this to be a keen idea. 有很多球迷都想要選Ekpe Udoh,這將會是完全沒有人猜得到的。這相當聰明,真的,我 沒有輕視的意思。很明顯的,很多球迷認識Udoh可能值得第五順位,儘管他在大部分的預 測是低樂透球員。 I'm not on board. 我並不這麼認為。 Problem #1: No one ever spells his name right. It's Ekpe, not Epke and certainly not Eppie's. 第一個問題:沒有人將他的名字拼對。是Ekpe,不是Epke更不是Eppie Problem #2: He's not a defensive rebounder. Udoh rebounded 17.9 percent of defensive opportunities, per KenPom.com. Baylor was 169th in the nation in defensive rebounding, so there were certainly available opportunities Udoh nor a teammate grabbed. (I mention that because if a player has mediocre rebound rates but the team ranks highly, there could be an issue of a teammate or two deflating said player's rebound totals.) Just about every big man pegged for the first round outrebounded Udoh on defense. A number of small forwards did, as well. It's not just that this team needs defensive rebounding. It's that the team can't really afford to add a player to the frontcourt rotation who cannot rebound on defense effectively. 問題2:他不是個會搶防守籃板的人。Udoh平均只有17.9%的防守機會搶得到籃板,排名 第169名。所以常常Udoh和隊友都搶不到籃板(我提這個是因為如果一個球員沒有漂亮的數 字,卻待在一支排名很高的球隊,有可能是因為隊友壓縮到他的空間),幾乎第一輪的大個 在防守籃板都巴掉他,一些SF也是。並不只是這支球隊需要防守籃板,而是這支球隊無法 負擔增加一名無法有效率搶籃板的前場(Spencer No Rebound Hawes:我先搶到位置了) Problem #3: His offense is suspect. If he were an all-world defender in the making -- he can block shots extremely well, but again, he's not a strong defensive rebounder -- you can work on that. See: Derrick Favors. But Udoh had poor efficiency numbers at Baylor, despite not shooting nearly as much as other big man prospects. Favors is considered to be extremely raw on offense. Yet he shot about as frequently as Udoh at a much higher efficiency with more less talented guards setting him up. I know this isn't a choice between Favors and Udoh. But listen to what they say about Favors, and understand he's more developed on offense than Udoh, while also being bigger, a better rebounder and potentially a better defender. 問題3:他的進攻令人懷疑。他是個出名的防守者,他很會搧鍋,但再說一次,他不是個很 會搶防守籃板的人。你可以努力,看看Favors。但Udoh的效率很差,和其他的大個子還有 一段距離。Favors被認為在進攻方面非常稚嫩,但他的投籃效率比Udoh好上不少,更何況 和他搭配的是沒什麼天份的後衛。我知道這不是要從Favors和Udoh之中選一個。但聽看看 他們怎麼說Favors的,而且他比Udoh在進攻方面更有發展空間,而且更巨大,更棒的籃板 手和防守球員。 Problem #4: Udoh's best skill is shotblocking, something the Kings could certainly. His second best skill is offensive rebounding. Udoh is unlikely to be much better than Jason Thompson at the pro level in that category (and probably not as good as likely returnee Jon Brockman). Other than that, Udoh isn't or doesn't project to be much better than any current Kings big man in any category. He can shoot from the mid-range, but so can Thompson and Carl Landry. He can play in the post, but so can Landry. He can pass, but so can Spencer Hawes. 問題4:Udoh最棒的是搧鍋,國王也許需要。他第二棒的是進攻籃板。Udoh不太可能在職業 層級贏過小湯(而且可能連洛克人都比他好)。除了那個,Udoh在那方面也沒有比任何一位 現役國王大個還要好。他可以投中距離,但小湯和洗衣店也可以。他可以低位單打,但洗 衣店也可以。他會傳球,但Spencer Nice Pass Hawes也會。 Udoh needs to be a plus-plus-defender to justify the No. 5 spot, and I have trouble figuring out how you determine that in the workout process with one real season of college ball to look at. Udoh要成為第五順位必須要是一位超棒的防守者,而我還真不知道你如何在測試的時候 認為只有打過一年大學籃球的他會是這樣的人。 -- -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.130.141.241

05/20 11:21, , 1F
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05/20 11:26, , 2F
倒數第二段到底再講什?
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05/20 11:29, , 3F
身高跟hawes比 ,低位跟 landry 比, 機動性跟小湯比
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05/20 11:30, , 4F
現在是 udoh 一打5 嗎? 要比較不是拿這種全隊單項來
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05/20 11:30, , 5F
比 , 而是個人綜合整體來比才對
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05/20 11:31, , 6F
除了火鍋之外,Udoh的其他技巧和目前國王陣中的長人相比
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05/20 11:32, , 7F
並不特別突出,他能做到的其他人做的比他更好,而且是在職
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05/20 11:32, , 8F
業等級。
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05/20 11:32, , 9F
但他都拿人家單項最強的比沒有意義啊
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05/20 11:33, , 10F
跟洛克人比籃板 , udoh輸 所以 = udoh 遜於洛克人?
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05/20 11:42, , 11F
可是這篇開頭就不太對勁 根本就沒多少人認為他可衝到top 5
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05/20 11:43, , 12F
他有6~10 的潛力 但測試表現好第五拿他也不會意外
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05/20 12:07, , 13F
恩 就跟Hinrich說的一樣 第五順位要挑的是很突出的
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05/20 12:07, , 14F
但他除了打火鍋外沒有一樣突出的 這樣值得第五嗎?
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05/20 12:18, , 15F
板大我想你還是沒搞清楚我的意思
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05/20 12:19, , 16F
所謂的突不突出 應該是跟今年所有待選新人比
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05/20 12:20, , 17F
不是像他倒數第二段這樣跟已經是職業層級的球員作比較
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05/20 12:21, , 18F
更好笑的是他居然拿每一個球員單項最強來比udoh一個
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05/20 12:22, , 19F
這就好比爵士隊 你拿boo出來
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05/20 12:22, , 20F
你說他的火鍋不如Fesenko
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05/20 12:23, , 21F
三分 不如 OKUR
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05/20 12:23, , 22F
身高 不如 Koufos
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05/20 12:24, , 23F
噸位跟籃下攪和能力 不如 8M
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05/20 12:25, , 24F
我在想 作者的意思會不會是 第五順位選進來的 至少某
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05/20 12:26, , 25F
然後批評他是個每一方面爵士都不需要的球員
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05/20 12:26, , 26F
些方面的能力要優於我們原本的球員 譬如說防守或籃板
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05/20 12:26, , 27F
這不是很奇怪嗎?
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05/20 12:32, , 28F
我想作者是說他的長處不足以讓國王升級
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05/20 12:34, , 29F
同樓上,而且我認為他用的比喻方式是讓國王迷比較能懂的
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05/20 12:34, , 30F
當然他一開始預設的立場就是他認為Udoh沒那麼好
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05/20 12:34, , 31F
今年沒有blake griffin, 沒有 dwight howard
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05/20 12:35, , 32F
此外作者在評斷Udoh的防守籃板與進攻時,也有與同級球員比
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05/20 12:35, , 33F
top5 你要指望的不是超級巨星 而是能夠幫助球員的好
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05/20 12:36, , 34F
較,所以不光只是倒數第二段的問題而已。
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05/20 12:37, , 35F
球員足矣, 綜合能力好的長人也是幫助球隊升級的方式
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05/20 12:37, , 36F
之一
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05/20 12:40, , 37F
他有指出的比較就是跟Favors 比啊
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05/20 12:41, , 38F
簡單來說 他要表達的是 他認為Udoh不值得第五順位
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05/20 12:42, , 39F
要選也是選Favors 你舉的例子 但是Boozer在爵士很重要
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還有 99 則推文
05/20 22:33, , 139F
民調一下......
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05/20 22:46, , 140F
我不會丟掉以後的首輪 會拿球員或現金去換
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05/20 22:47, , 141F
沒吸引力啊 除了beno 有點機會 ......
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05/20 22:48, , 142F
那就不一定啦 說不定別的總管喜歡啊
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05/20 22:50, , 143F
不會,兩個和尚搶水喝
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05/20 22:52, , 144F
以beno今年的表現賣象應該不錯,但對價不夠好也沒必要
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賣,唯一要有賠錢賣心理準備的只有Noci
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05/20 23:12, , 146F
會 今年是難得的內線年 如果有保護的首輪 是可以接受的
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05/20 23:13, , 147F
用Noci 換 馬刺的RJ + 20#籤 或是 Beno 換 Ford+10#籤
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05/20 23:18, , 148F
剛查了一下 Ford800萬 比Beno貴 但合約是最後一年
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05/20 23:19, , 149F
Ford+10換Beno 除非大鳥頭殼壞掉
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05/20 23:27, , 150F
也不一定 如果他很希望有個有實績的PG Beno會是個好選擇
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05/20 23:33, , 151F
再交易來另一個首輪簽我也不認為要選長人,球隊還缺一
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05/20 23:34, , 152F
個後衛,應該拿來選後衛,我們也沒有足夠的上場時間養
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05/20 23:35, , 153F
兩隻大個。
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05/20 23:52, , 154F
如果可以今年一次將內線的洞補起來 也算是大邁進了
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05/21 01:21, , 155F
其實也可以靠自由市場選後衛 像我就蠻喜歡R.Brewer
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05/21 01:22, , 156F
如果要交易一個選秀籤來的話 我願意出阿屁來換 XD
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05/21 01:25, , 157F
雖然要從自由市場拿到SG也有難度 不過我覺得選秀籤還是
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05/21 01:25, , 158F
拿來補內線比較划算 SG相對上比較好補...
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05/21 15:13, , 159F
阿屁突然爆發 的話樓上會後悔喔.......
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05/21 15:52, , 160F
Hawes還值得我們等他一年 不然就是讓他當替補
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05/21 15:53, , 161F
他打先發不合格 但打替補就很威了
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05/21 19:24, , 162F
好像想賣籤的球隊還不少
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05/21 19:24, , 163F
如果可以的話真的希望多買一個樂透籤
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05/21 19:25, , 164F
每年像小胖Daniel Orton這種好物掉到 14 還能從容
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05/21 19:26, , 165F
檢走的情況並不多見 今年的長人深度真的是個進補的
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05/21 19:27, , 166F
好機會 而且就算沒打出來 新秀約跟潛力要交易
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也極為方便
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05/21 19:52, , 168F
是啊 多換幾個籤來 以Petrie選秀的能力 可以好好大進補
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05/21 22:59, , 169F
我蠻懷疑Orton有那麼好嗎?他大學都打替補,平均數據也只
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05/21 23:00, , 170F
有3而已。難道就只是身材好嗎?
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05/21 23:56, , 171F
其實可以拿阿屁去向太陽兜售,說明書寫專剋湖人,搞不
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05/21 23:56, , 172F
可以狠削一筆XD
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05/22 00:23, , 173F
支持阿屁去太陽 這樣對大家都好
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05/22 01:11, , 174F
阿屁應該很適合太陽 但要換誰過來/
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05/22 01:15, , 175F
我開玩笑的....我不想阿屁走阿~~~~~
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05/22 02:01, , 176F
Orton身材沒想到多好
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05/22 09:24, , 177F
我比較想賣給魔術 中距離練好等魔獸傳球就好 XDDDD
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05/22 18:18, , 178F
以後還是不要對文章太認真才好 傷腦力又傷和氣 =.=
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