[閒聊] 國王的問題在哪裡?

看板Kings (沙加緬度 國王)作者時間15年前 (2010/12/21 13:32), 編輯推噓12(12019)
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http://0rz.tw/MKRe3 前面二段懶得翻 請見諒 Evaluating the success of N.B.A. teams requires assessments in two different frameworks. Objective measures of performance (won-lost record, efficiency differential, the “four factors,” etc.) offer a very straightforward, quantitative means of determining a given team’s standing. Additionally, because the chief operators of N.B.A. franchises primarily look to achieve very particular goals, the execution of the team’s plan also becomes a crucial part of the evaluative process. There’s an important distinction between franchises unable to execute a theoretically sound plan and those who struggle because of a flawed approach. Unfortunately, because of the divide between N.B.A. operations and the outside world, it can sometimes be difficult to discern the specific elements of an organization’s team-building concept or on-court game plan. We can determine some of that information through patterns in roster moves, veiled suggestions from coaches through the news media, or in-game coaching decisions, but there is no replacement for explicitly articulated strategy. So, when coaches, general managers or owners openly provide some insight as to their specific objectives, it offers a glimpse behind the curtain. Sacramento Kings Coach Paul Westphal gave fans and members of the news media just such a peek in these comments as relayed by Jason Jones of The Sacramento Bee: 所以當教練、GM、老闆公開的說明了目標的時候,提供了我們一窺他們真實想法的機 會。以下是Paul Westphal對蜂報記者Jason Jones說的評論。 “Our identity is if we can get out in the open floor and get an early shot, a quick shot, off a miss or off a turnover we want to do that. We want to push the ball up the floor, we want to swing it from side-to-side. If there’ s a low post man we want to throw him the ball and run splits. We want to swing the ball from side to side if there’s not a low post man. We want to give Tyreke [Evans] chances to slice and cut into the post more, come off pick and rolls. We want to space the floor. We want to hit the first open man and then run our sets. We have basic things that we can run depending on the way that our players are positioned. We have different keys. We need to read each other and read those keys. If the defense takes away one thing you go backdoor and try to go to the next option.” 「我們的目標是在開放的進攻中以早攻做結,減少失手和失誤。快速的推進,做好對 角的轉移。有低位球員時就把球塞給他。沒有低位球員就用轉移來得到出手空間。給TE機 會讓他可以空切到禁區,來個低位非不是擋拆。我們希望能拉開空間,找到第一個空檔的 人然後開始打戰術。barabarabarabara....」 By external standards, Sacramento (5-20) has had a very disappointing season. But what if we judge the Kings by their own internal criteria, as indicated by Westphal? 好的,五勝二十敗的國王有個慘澹的局面。那換以Westphal的目標為標準呢? “Our identity is if we can get out in the open floor and get an early shot, a quick shot, off a miss or off a turnover we want to do that.” 「早攻?快速出手,減少失誤與失手?」 After dissecting but a single sentence of Westphal’s comments, the Kings already rate poorly. Sacramento ranks 16th in the league in pace at 95.2 possessions per game, which is more canter than sprint. Their poor defense is part of the reason. The Kings aren’t able to run by virtue of forced turnovers or impressive rebounding (they’re below average in both defensive rebounding rate and opponent’s turnover rate), which significantly limits their opportunities to get out on the break. Improvement in either regard could help bump up Sacramento’s pace, but at present, they don’t often get “out in the open floor.” 國王在聯盟裡的進攻步調排名第16。每場進攻95.2次。糟糕的防守是原因之一。國王 沒有能力壓迫對手失誤,也不能在防守籃板上樂勝對手(在防守籃板率及失誤率的統計中 國王都遜於對手)。這讓對手被快攻的機會大為降低。在這兩方面努力可以提升國王的進 攻次數,不過現在來說,國王並沒有什麼開放進攻。 http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/fastbreak-points-per-game 平均快攻得分13.9分 名列聯盟第十八(上季平均15.0分 第十二) “We want to give Tyreke chances to slice and cut into the post more, come off pick and rolls.” 「TE空切禁區,低位,減少擋拆?」 Things don’t look good for the Kings on this front, either. According to Synergy Sports Technology, cuts amount only to 2 percent of Tyreke Evans’s offensive possessions. Pick-and-rolls, on the other hand, constitute a more significant 22.1 percent of Evans’s offensive usage. Regardless, he uses more of his possessions in isolation situations than any other (by a wide margin, in fact), which does not exactly speak to the diversity of scoring opportunities Westphal has highlighted. 國王在這方面好像沒有做得很好。TE空切只佔他進攻中的2%,P&R還是有22.1%的比重 ,而最多的時候還是他自已單打,這跟Westphal說的好像沒啥關聯。 http://www.mysynergysports.com/ 神奇的分析網站,請輸入球員名字,你就會看到了 (話說回來TE iso的成績是ppp次好的 最好的是攻防轉換之際的攻擊 戰術無用男?@@) Evans’s injuries have no doubt had an impact on his shot selection. Plantar fasciitis doesn’t exactly make it easy to be a dive cutter or to explode off a pick-and-roll, and as a result Evans seems far less explosive than he did in his breakout rookie season. And, his offensive effectiveness on cuts and the pick-and-roll has plummeted; Synergy ranks Evans in the lowest percentile of all qualified leaders on scoring cuts to the basket, as his cutting possessions produce only 0.6 points per possession. Evans 的傷勢很明顯對他的投射選擇有影響。足底筋膜炎會影響他的切入與爆發力。 相較於他的新秀賽季,他在空切和P&R上都下滑了。他的空切每次只能拿到0.6分。 (譯:其實我是不大懂,他也才空切十次而已,這樣本小到快不用算了吧) Evans has become a below-average threat to score as the ball handler in the pick-and-roll as well, where he also averages 0.6 points per possession. That ’s disappointing for a player of Evans’s caliber, and plantar fasciitis isn ’t solely to blame; his decision-making in pick-and-roll situations too often has him pulling up for long jumpers or barreling to the rim without regard for potential turnovers. Evans在執行P&R的時候,也是水準以下的持球者。他每次進攻只能拿到 0.6分,這對 一個主要進攻球員來說真的很傷,足底筋膜炎是原因之一,不過他的糟糕決策能力才是最 大的兇手。他常會自行拔起來做長距離投射,偏偏球又打在框上,成了隱形的失誤。 The proof isn’t just in the statistical pudding. See for yourself: 證據在此:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm-QKeq23xY
“We want to space the floor.” 「清開空間?」 More bad news, I’m afraid. Though the Kings are often spaced reasonably well on the court, they aren’t offered legitimate spacing because of their poor outside shooting. Sacramento is the second-worst 3-point-shooting team in the league, and according to HoopData.com, the Kings are not much better at shooting long 2s (they hit 37.2 percent of 16- to 23-foot jumpers, good for 22nd in the N.B.A). 這是個壞消息,國王的球員在場上的分佈是有拉開,可是沒有三分火力的他們拉不開 對手。國王是聯盟第二爛的三分球隊,同時在長距離兩分球上也表現得很差,名列第二十 二位。 Smart opponents know that every King save Omri Casspi and Francisco Garcia can be left open if need be, and unfortunately Evans, Beno Udrih and Donté Greene have been more than willing to put up bricks. Spacing is a nice ideal, but without reliable shooters who can punish opponents for cheating to double the ball or swarm the post, it means little. 聰明的對手知道除了Casspi跟Garcia,其他人都是可以被放掉的選擇。可怕的是TE和 Udrih 、Greene是常出現的組合。拉開空間是件好事,不過沒有穩定的射手能讓對手懼於 包夾,拉不拉開好像都沒差。 http://hoopdata.com/ 3PTM 3PTA 10 0.9 2.5 37.7 Beno 11 0.7 2.4 28.3 10 0.9 2.4 37.7 Greene 11 0.7 2.4 28.3 “If the defense takes away one thing you go backdoor and try to go to the next option.” 「被防守阻止就回頭,試著找下一個選擇。」 Rather than approaching this idea from a play-centric perspective, I think it ’s more telling if we zoom out a bit. While the Kings’ offense isn’t their biggest problem, it’s still a pretty substantial one. Evans, Sacramento’s No. 1 option, has struggled this season. His per game scoring has dipped to 16.8 from 20.1, his turnovers have ticked upward and, worst of all, his field goal percentage has fallen to 39.1 percent this season from 45.8 percent last season. 我們先把眼光放大點來看,國王的進攻就算不是他們最大的問題,也是他們相當嚴重 的問題。TE,這位國王的頭號攻擊手本季表現超囧。平均得分下滑三點三分,失誤上升, 命中率下滑了六個百分點。 Evans has stepped down, and unfortunately, no one else has stepped up. Of the Kings who have played at least 200 minutes this season, only one has posted an above average PER: Udrih. Carl Landry, Jason Thompson, Casspi, Garcia, and DeMarcus Cousins have had substandard seasons, a reality that doesn’t bode well for the Kings given Evans’s regressed game. Evans has needed some serious help from his teammates, but the Kings aren’t stacked with players who could reasonably be expected to carry that burden. There’s plenty of talent on this roster, but none immediately suitable for playing the role of Evans’s sidekick. Evnas 的成績下滑了,更糟的是,沒有人的成績上升。在上場超過兩百分鐘的國王球 員裡,只有一個人的PER值過均標。 Udrih、Landry、JT、Casspi、Garcia、DMC都表現在 平均水平之下。Evans 可能需要來自隊友的幫助,不過圍在他身邊的球員們似乎沒人能做 到。這份名單很有天分,不過沒人能伸出及時的援手。 今年PER的平均是12.68,我看到過12.68是BU、CL、FG、JT、LH、OC、TE? 如果是設在15的話,過15的人只有Beno跟JT 不過這數據有的沒更新,不知道是不是我查錯 It is somewhat good to know that the Kings fall as short of Westphal’s goals as they do in any outside measure of the team’s success. After all, if they were somehow competent by the team’s own criteria, that could lead to an odd complacency in one of the league’s bottom-dwellers. At least now we know – and more important, we know that the Kings know – that Sacramento, a disappointing team in most matters of execution, needs work from top to bottom. 國王看來沒有達到Westphal的任何目標,而由外界的評量法來看也是如此。如果他們 對這樣的水平還能滿足,那真是一件奇怪的是事。我們現在知道一件事,國王是一隻令人 失望的球隊,他們需要多加努力。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 122.116.219.191

12/21 13:37, , 1F
翻得很爛,歡迎指正
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12/21 13:38, , 2F
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12/21 13:42, , 3F
國王的問題在於兩方面:進攻(70%)與防守(30%)
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12/21 14:23, , 4F
我覺得問題就在...內文講最多話的那個人....
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12/21 16:59, , 5F
感覺看完只用一個字就能解決,爛!
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12/21 17:15, , 6F
簡單來說陣容上缺一個防守夠力的PG SF應該放上有外線的人
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12/21 17:15, , 7F
雖然因此部分犧牲綠的防守但有三分才能拉開空間 後場防守
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12/21 17:17, , 8F
夠力才可能壓迫對手失誤產生快攻機會 Beno沒防守綠外線飄
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12/21 17:18, , 9F
西佛的用人跟他的理想戰術正好背道而馳Cisco和Omri該先發
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12/21 17:59, , 10F
問題在於教練超樂觀每次都講得冠冕堂皇,可惜老是做不到
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12/21 18:51, , 11F
看完三樓推文,就想到易建聯
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12/21 18:53, , 12F
去年的現在,正是創造歷史的時候。
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12/21 18:54, , 13F
勝場數還拿不到去年同期的一半
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12/21 18:59, , 14F
哭哭這些休季期間就在講了 講到現在還是一樣無解 哀桑阿
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12/21 19:33, , 15F
我的看法跟tiebreak一樣...西佛根本就是在自打嘴巴
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12/21 19:34, , 16F
開季明明Garcia和Casspi的外線都有發揮 卻突然重用小頭
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12/21 19:36, , 17F
隨便調度 臨場不指揮 講的一嘴好戰術 要贏難囉...
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12/21 19:54, , 18F
Cisco和Omri搭配TE先發的問題在於沒有真正的PG在場但是這
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12/21 19:55, , 19F
個陣容是比較容易達成也接近西佛理想的狀況 只要TE頭腦沒
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12/21 19:56, , 20F
熱按照戰術設計去跑是可以彌補Beno不在先發的損失 如果要
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12/21 19:58, , 21F
練TE應該是放這個陣容讓TE去練 練他運作球隊進攻的經驗
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12/22 01:34, , 22F
當初選TE說他是PG的話還是聽聽就好,TE就不是打控球的料,
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12/22 01:35, , 23F
由他主導進攻可以,但是他現在還很不成熟,拿捏的不好。而
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12/22 01:35, , 24F
且那些NBA高層和教練講的話聽聽就好,場面話居多
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12/22 02:37, , 25F
我只覺得 TE 有傷就好好休息,其他的打法、什麼位置的都可
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12/22 02:38, , 26F
以等他傷好再議,說難聽的現在的 TE 如果不能得分對國王根
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12/22 02:40, , 27F
本沒啥幫助,他還不能組織,投射又打回原型,拿手的切入
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12/22 02:41, , 28F
還沒辦法發揮那在場上對球隊只是傷害,或許可以稱許他有目
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12/22 02:42, , 29F
前王牌的擔當,但想想他現在的狀況能帶給球隊的......還是
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12/22 02:42, , 30F
該思考是有利還是有弊
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12/22 02:53, , 31F
某人:慢了Flynn兩年又如何?尤其當初跳過我的4pick有較好?
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