Re: [閒聊] 選秀雜感

看板Kings (沙加緬度 國王)作者 (GGOOA)時間7年前 (2018/06/27 02:13), 編輯推噓71(71064)
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一篇SBNATION的文章, 講述一位球迷對於選後幾日的心情, 雖然有些論點不見得成立, 但也指出了幾個可能選Bagley的重點。 第一次翻譯,翻得不好請多指教。 https://goo.gl/MjX9XQ Marvin Bagley III: The Pick I Didn’t Know I Wanted -- Richard Ivanowski Draft day for NBA lottery teams can often feel like Christmas in June. So after hearing Marvin Bagley III’s name announced on Thursday, and witnessing the reaction from the fan base, I can’t help but let the same image come to my mind over and over. I see us as children that had been waiting all year, could barely sleep the night before, rushed down the stairs the morning of, tore open our gift, and found it wasn’t exactly what we had hoped for. 在NBA選秀日就像六月裡的聖誕夜一樣。當在禮拜四晚上聽到MB3的名字出線之後,我腦中 不斷浮現著這樣的畫面:我們就像一群小孩子,已經等待了整整一年,在前一天晚上興奮 到幾乎睡不著,但聖誕節那天早上迫不期待地打開禮物後,發現那好像不是我們想要的。 It’s a harsh metaphor, and one that comes at the risk of infantilizing Sacramento Kings fans everywhere, but it feels right to me. All sports fans are little kids at heart, and emotional ones at that. We can’t help but react in ways that defy logic and reason. Have you ever kicked and screamed while watching a game? Yelled and cursed and thrown things like a toddler having a tantrum? Yeah, me too. 用一個不堪的比喻來形容,選秀這件事讓國王迷們都變成了小孩子,但對我來說的確感覺 如此。所有的運動粉絲們心中應該都住著個小孩,而有時情緒也像小孩一樣。有時候我們 就是不能理性地來思考,你曾有在看一場比賽時又叫又跳或是大發脾氣嗎?是的,我也是 So here we are, with a brand new toy. It’s top of the line, but many of us had hoped for a different brand. The mixture of simultaneous excitement and disappointment is not like anything I’ve felt in years. And as much as we may want to, we can’t run away from home. This is our family. The Kings are in our blood. 現在我們有了一個新禮物。他屬於最頂級的那一種,但我們之中許多人希望拿到的是另一 個牌子的禮物。這種失望,卻又隱隱帶著興奮的感覺,是我在前幾年內未曾感受到的。儘 管我們想要的可能是別人家的東西,但我們不可能離開。這裡還是我們的家,我們血液中 還是流著隻隊伍的靈魂。 Thankfully as adults we have the ability to reassess and change our perspective, if we see fit. Now that I’ve had a couple days to breathe, I think I’m ready to embrace the gift we did get. After revisiting many of my pre-draft thoughts I’ve decided to take a shot at explaining why I believe Bagley could end up being what I really wanted all along, even if I couldn’t see it before 理性點回來看這次選秀,或許對未來會有不一樣的想法。現在我們有幾天可以喘息,我想 我已經準備好去擁抱我們拿到的禮物。在改變了許多我在選秀前的想法後,我決定說明一 下為什麼我相信Bagley最終應該是我們所要得,儘管我之前不是這麼想。 Roster Composition 球隊的組成 In my mind, the biggest advantage that Bagley had over Doncic was something I picked out early and never wavered from. That is a complete lack of redundancy on this roster. It goes without saying that the Kings have starter-level talent in place at the guard positions. Small forward is where it gets murky 我認為Bagley相對於Doncic最大的優勢在於,他對於我們目前輪替來說完全不是多餘的。 不用說我們目前在於在控衛有著先發等級的天賦,而小前鋒上面則是一團糟。 Some might say that we have no option there, but I disagree. Justin Jackson was drafted to play the position just one year ago, right at the fringe of the lottery. While he did not have a great rookie year, he does have potential to improve and can at least assume some of those minutes in the upcoming year. 有些可能會認為我們在SF這方面沒有選擇,但我不同意。Justin Jackson在樂透區邊緣一 年前被選來打這個位子,雖然他在新人這一年的表現不算太出色,但我們看到他還有潛力 在下一季裡進步。 Not to mention that our biggest rookie standout, and possibly best player on the team, was categorized as a small forward by Basketball Reference last year. The site estimated that Bogdan Bogdanovic played 59% of his minutes at the 3. Additionally, we got solid bench play from Garrett Temple who was estimated as a small forward 46% of the time 我們新人裡表現最為出色的,也可能是我們隊中最佳球員,BB8,在過去一年內被 Basketball Reference歸類為小前鋒,且估計他上場時間中有59%是打這個位置。而且在 這個位置上我們還有一個不錯的板凳球員,Temple在這個位置上也打了46%的時間。 So is small forward a position of need for the Kings? In some ways, yes. Is the need there higher than at power forward? Absolutely not 所以我們在SF上面真的很缺嗎?或許是,但這個缺比起PF缺來說算很大嗎?我不這樣認為 。 Here is a comprehensive list of Kings who played at least one-third of their minutes at power forward: Zach Randolph, Skal Labissiere, JaKarr Sampson, Nigel Hayes, and Bruno Caboclo. One of those players is turning 37 next month, another has trade rumors swirling around him, and the remaining three combined for merely 549 minutes on the court last season. None of those three are widely expected to be on the opening day roster 隊員中在PF打超過三分之一時間以上的有Randolph,蠟筆,Sampson,Hayes,Caboclo。 Randolph在37個月後可能不在了,而蠟筆始終被交易傳言纏身,而剩下三個過去一季加起 來只打了549分鐘,這三個人看起來都不像是會留在開幕戰輪替中的球員。 On a team that will be heavy with expiring contracts next season, it’s important to understand who has the multi-year deals. Looking down the line, the players currently under contract for 2019-20 now have the following positional classifications: Two point guards, one shooting guard, two small forwards, and one big man who has yet to step on the court in Harry Giles. More on him in a minute 更重要的是瞭解我們下一季有許多到期約。到19-20球季時,目前我們有約的有兩個PG, 一個SG,兩個SF,而禁區的大個子只有一個人有約,那個人是還未上場比賽過的Giles。 Locker Room Favor 隊友們的偏好 The other notable advantage that I found pre-draft in Bagley’s favor was how quickly the current core of players seemed to gel with him, and how willing he was to visit with Sacramento. 另一個Bagley重要的優勢,是我發現在選秀前他已經跟我們目前的核心隊員們相處融洽, 而且希望他來沙加緬度。 He was the only top-five prospect to come to town and workout for the Kings. There was a late look at Wendell Carter Jr., but other than that it was mostly second round projections that were willing to make their case in person. 他是唯一一個在可能前五順位中有來我王測試的,當然後來Wendell Carter有來,但 Bagley還是可能第二順位人選中唯一一個有意願來測是的。 Bagley started popping up everywhere in the Kings social media landscape. Giles featured him in an Instagram story and mentioned their meeting in a tweet as early as June 10th. And this was not run-of-the-mill, nice-to-meet-you, just-doing-my-job type of stuff. They were just kicking it downtown. None of it seemed forced. They were excited. Bagley開始在國王社群媒體中一再出現。Giles在一則IG故事裡面提到他,且在推特裡面 提到他們在六月十號的聚會。這個不是僅僅是say hello問候這樣,他們的確是玩在一起 ,他們很對聚會很興奮,這不是強迫的。 De’Aaron Fox also met up with them. And while his social media references toward Bagley were a bit more cryptic, it seems clear that MB3 was who he was lobbying for as well. The three just recently had a killer photo-op that has been featured on every Kings outlet known to man. Fox也有跟他們一起聚會。雖然在Fox的社群媒體裡面關於Bagley的部份比較不明顯,但還 是可以清楚的發現他是在遊說Bagley加入。這三人的合體照差不多在每個熟知國王隊的人 中流傳著。 And who could blame Fox for wanting him? Fox’s best role is as lead ball handler, and the Kings have a fantastic secondary one in Bogdanovic to boot. And while Bogi may speak Luka’s native language, the same can’t be said for the rest of the roster. 你怎麼能怪Fox希望Bagley的到來?Fox扮演的角色是隊上控球的第一選擇,而同時我們還 有一個很棒的控球第二選擇BB8。而你知道BB8跟Doncic說同一種母語,是隊上其他人不會 的。 Even Bogi would be justified to have mixed feelings toward Luka. Would you want a younger, bigger version of yourself to walk into your office tomorrow with the potential to do everything you do, if not more? Well he doesn’t appear too upset that Doncic wasn’t picked. He’s currently cruising around Belgrade with Buddy Hield, recording freestyle rap cyphers on Instagram. 即使是BB8也對於Doncic可能有種複雜的感覺。想像有一個跟你很像,但比你年輕,比你 強壯的同事新加入你的辦公室,而他可能會做所有你會做的事情,還可以比你做的更多。 我想他可能不會對於Doncic沒有想上而感到不開心,BB8目前跟Buddy正在塞爾維亞首都白 城上面遊船,忙著發IG跟唱著他們的饒舌歌。 Again it comes down to practicality. Luka never publicly showed any interest in being a King. It’s even possible that behind closed doors he was agitating to land in a big market. His final destination of Dallas at least suggests that possibility. In contrast, what was Bagley’s response on June 11th when asked by the press for his feelings toward Sacramento? “I love it.” 特別是Doncic從未公開表示他對國王有任何興趣。他可能私下還是比較喜歡大市場城市 ,這點我們可以從他最後落點達拉斯可以猜測出來。相對的,6月11日,在Bagley被問及 對沙加緬度的感覺時,他是怎麼回應的? “我愛這個城市” Coming to Grips with the Choice I understand the argument for Doncic. In fact, I argued the argument for Doncic. But I also did my best to see the other side as well. 我瞭解那些想選擇Doncic的原因,事實上我也曾為Doncic所爭辯。但我也同時盡力地看向 另外一面。 Best player available – that’s the only thing that should matter in many people’s minds. And while Luka may have the advantage there, it’s just not the only thing that’s important to me. 選擇你能選的最好球員 – 這是大多數人的想法。當然Doncic在這方面有所優勢,但在此 這對我來說並不是唯一一個需要關注的事情。 Players have gained more control over their environments than ever. The biggest stars in the league basically get whatever they want now. Just look at what happened with Jimmy Butler and Paul George last year, or what is happening with Kawhi right now. The Spurs have been one of the best franchises in sporting history, and even they look like they’re about to be bent or broken by the whims of a single player. 球員們現在決定整個局面的能力比起過往要大的很多。聯盟裡的明星球員基本上想要什麼 就可以得到什麼。看看過去這些年在Jimmy Butler,Paul George發生的事情,以及目前 正在上演的可愛人生。馬刺團隊曾經是NBA職業運動史上的一個傳奇 ,但現在你可以看到 他們怎樣被一個球員耍得團團轉。 The truth for the Kings is that they are even more susceptible to being crushed by one set of wandering eyes than the average organization. And upsetting the majority of their current core could be downright devastating. In that way Bagley was a safe pick. And in a city that can’t easily replace their talent, he was a smart pick. 事實上,國王在選前幾乎是要被球迷的期盼給淹沒,而幾乎要把他們目前的真正核心給毀 滅掉。這樣說來的確Bagley是個安全的選擇。而就他有著無與倫比的天賦來看,這選擇同 時也是個聰明的選擇。 Simply targeting the best player, regardless of fit or position, is a fine strategy for an average to above-average team in an average to above-average sized market. But ignoring other factors means ignoring part of what defines the Sacramento Kings, for better or worse. 選最好的球員而不管他的位置,對於一般或一般以上的大城市球隊是很好的選擇。但考慮 到國王的目前成績以及市場,這可能就見仁見智了。 In a vacuum, I still believe Doncic is more likely to become a superstar. But more than a superstar, I want long-term, cohesive, team basketball. The surest way to get future draft picks and free agents to be excited about playing in Sacramento is to build on the excitement our current team has for one another. 我仍然相信Doncic有較高的機會在將來成為超級球星。但在追求超級球星之外,我更期盼 一個長期,緊密合作的籃球團隊。要確認走在這樣的道路上,我們需要人是喜歡這個城市 ,且對於跟這些隊友們打球感到興奮的人。 Most draft boards had Luka Doncic and Marvin Bagley close together, though it is true that a few did not. If you felt they were miles apart then I don’t expect the points I’ve offered here to change your mind. But to me, it was close. So I choose to look at it like this: 大部分選秀專家認為選擇Doncic跟Bagley很接近,我認為雖然還是有些差距,但這是事實 。如果你還是認為選擇兩者天差地遠,我也不期望上述所說可以改變你的心意。但對我來 說,我認為兩者還是很接近,所以我選擇這樣看待這個結果: We had the choice between two potential stars. One seemed more likely to hit their personal ceiling and the other seemed more likely to let our team hit its collective ceiling. Disagree if you want. Call me a sheep or a shill. Claim that it’s wishful thinking or revisionist history. But don’t pretend that you aren’t going to watch every bit of Bagley’s rookie season. And don’t pretend that you hope I'm wrong. While it may not be exactly what we wanted, Bagley is still one hell of a gift. And it’s still time to celebrate. 我們要在兩名將來可能的全明星中做挑選。一位看起來較高機會可以到達他的上限,而令 一位則是可以讓我們全隊一起到達我們的天花板。 你可以否定這樣的說法,說我是在亂講。但不要假裝你打算對於Bagley的新人球季不聞不 問,且不要假裝你希望我是錯的。 雖然這可能不是我們真的想要的,Bagley真的是選秀會上一個超棒的禮物。現在要慶祝還 來得及。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 150.212.127.37 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Kings/M.1530036804.A.25D.html

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06/27 07:28, 7年前 , 2F
我王鐵粉的特點就是:...每年選秀 制服組都打大家耳光
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06/27 07:29, 7年前 , 3F
我們都會找一堆理由說服自己 這個耳光是多麼的美好...
06/27 07:29, 3F

06/27 09:18, 7年前 , 4F
大推
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06/27 09:20, 7年前 , 5F
選了就支持球團,縱使未來打臉又怎樣
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06/27 09:23, 7年前 , 6F
大家都很M
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06/27 10:48, 7年前 , 7F
搞不好MB III是我王的KP
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06/27 10:51, 7年前 , 8F
說真的 Bagley沒那麼差好嗎 選他也很ok的
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06/27 11:48, 7年前 , 9F
哼 一群抖M
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06/27 11:48, 7年前 , 10F
我怎覺得bagley像是Marion+阿罵/2。對現在我王體系有信心
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06/27 12:04, 7年前 , 11F
Bagley跟Doncic二選一沒差那麼多吧
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06/27 12:11, 7年前 , 12F
不管選誰還是支持,不離不棄是我國王
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06/27 13:08, 7年前 , 13F
國王記者James Ham證實國王對Parker跟黑松有興趣
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06/27 13:08, 7年前 , 14F
終於稍微有一點好消息
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06/27 13:36, 7年前 , 15F
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06/27 13:49, 7年前 , 16F
parker要開多少才搶得過來?
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06/27 13:58, 7年前 , 17F
最大能開多少就出多少
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06/27 14:33, 7年前 , 19F
Young super team >”<
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06/27 14:42, 7年前 , 20F
Divac: We are super team. Just young. 真的很幹話
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06/27 14:52, 7年前 , 21F
撇開傷病史不談 我一直覺得Parker打4號才能展現優勢
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06/27 15:01, 7年前 , 22F
那黑松開多少合適? 有沒有大大來分析一下我王剩餘薪資空
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06/27 15:01, 7年前 , 23F
間?
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06/27 15:06, 7年前 , 24F
推文的圖好像wcs從後面捅八個梨的菊花又被剝蛋襲胸
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06/27 15:08, 7年前 , 25F
然後Fox看到怕.jpg、Buddy跟教練告狀
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06/27 15:22, 7年前 , 26F
黑松你王只要開個 6M 以上魔術就無力跟了
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06/27 16:30, 7年前 , 27F
Parker確實打四號可以在速度吃掉對手,打三號可能跟不上
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06/27 16:39, 7年前 , 28F
黑松不是防守很破?
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06/27 16:41, 7年前 , 29F
乾脆我王搶KD好了,讓他證明帶菜雞也可奪冠XD
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06/27 16:41, 7年前 , 30F
黑松是UFA啊 https://bit.ly/2lFPBLn
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06/27 16:42, 7年前 , 31F
連結有薪資空間跟預測我們會開的合約
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06/27 16:44, 7年前 , 32F
Parker是我王陣中目前缺乏的攻擊終結者角色,關鍵時刻也是
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06/27 16:44, 7年前 , 33F
能單打的球員,我王目前缺這種咖。黑松比較是退而求其次
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06/27 16:44, 7年前 , 34F
的選擇。可惜KCP跟AB不能守到三號,不然KCP這種3D也蠻適合
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06/27 16:44, 7年前 , 35F
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06/27 17:33, 7年前 , 36F
我知道他是UFA 我的意思是魔術無法開超過他今年薪水的合
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06/27 17:33, 7年前 , 37F
約,所以隨便開個 6m/y 魔術就掰了,除非黑松自己願意留
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06/27 17:54, 7年前 , 38F
魔術薪資空間這麼慘喔?
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06/27 18:08, 7年前 , 39F
魔術有簽什麼大咖球星嗎@@?? 不過如果Parker要打到四
06/27 18:08, 39F
還有 56 則推文
06/29 06:48, 7年前 , 96F
投射 fox bb8 巴弟
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06/29 06:49, 7年前 , 97F
看來真的要讓bb8上小前了
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06/29 06:49, 7年前 , 98F
而且記得LaVine的防守好像滿慘的
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06/29 06:51, 7年前 , 99F
估計會有交易了
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06/29 06:52, 7年前 , 100F
巴上一季就知道2哥不怕用小陣容
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06/29 06:52, 7年前 , 101F
很難想像下一季能有多快
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06/29 08:14, 7年前 , 102F
如果是LV 這陣容防守太美了XD 做慈善來的
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06/29 08:22, 7年前 , 103F
我們後場有四菜+廟+香波 已經很擠了吧 追Lavine要幹嘛
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06/29 08:22, 7年前 , 104F
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06/29 08:41, 7年前 , 105F
哪一篇阿@@? 沒看到!
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06/29 09:16, 7年前 , 106F
賣票
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06/29 09:29, 7年前 , 107F
LaVine復出後的投籃選擇很糟啊
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06/29 09:32, 7年前 , 108F
在2哥體制下應該可以改善
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06/29 09:33, 7年前 , 109F
春大有分析過,2哥讓大家的投籃空間很舒服
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06/29 10:04, 7年前 , 110F
總版提到國王追LaVine的 是溜馬追A.Gordon的那篇,底下
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06/29 10:04, 7年前 , 111F
的推文
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06/29 11:48, 7年前 , 112F
找到了 謝謝J大
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06/29 13:49, 7年前 , 113F
不懂你王有需要追我牛LaVine嗎?Parker應該比較符合你
06/29 13:49, 113F

06/29 13:49, 7年前 , 114F
們的需求吧?跨區討論,煩請解惑?
06/29 13:49, 114F

06/29 14:20, 7年前 , 115F
坦白講都不符合 但LaVine這謠言成分大一點 聽聽就好
06/29 14:20, 115F

06/29 14:30, 7年前 , 116F
國王這種自由市場的二級玩家只有在像今年這樣的小年可以發
06/29 14:30, 116F

06/29 14:33, 7年前 , 117F
揮影響力 算的夠精今年真的想拿誰拿誰
06/29 14:33, 117F

06/29 15:02, 7年前 , 118F
好奇問一下parker為什麼不能打我王3號? 如果是速度的
06/29 15:02, 118F

06/29 15:02, 7年前 , 119F
話我覺得好像還行
06/29 15:02, 119F

06/29 15:15, 7年前 , 120F
感覺Parker身材 三號打太久膝蓋容易爆 黑松算是有淺力
06/29 15:15, 120F

06/29 15:16, 7年前 , 121F
可養 但我王一字排開要養的還真不少 還能再養黑松嗎
06/29 15:16, 121F

06/29 16:11, 7年前 , 122F
希望跟巫師換側翼。
06/29 16:11, 122F

06/29 16:36, 7年前 , 123F
Parker打三號就靠輾 但他那膝蓋能輾多久不好說
06/29 16:36, 123F

06/29 16:37, 7年前 , 124F
黑松主要是在魔術定位問題 去年Gordon傷退的時候他能繳出不
06/29 16:37, 124F

06/29 16:40, 7年前 , 125F
錯的數據 12M/2yrs能簽下陪練其實划得來
06/29 16:40, 125F

06/29 17:09, 7年前 , 126F
RFA國王應該超難搶,但簽黑松就要冒著養不出來的風險
06/29 17:09, 126F

06/29 17:20, 7年前 , 127F
Parker給二哥用會超猛
06/29 17:20, 127F

06/29 17:27, 7年前 , 128F
黑松印象最深就是快攻多打少 跨下傳球給對手
06/29 17:27, 128F

06/29 17:44, 7年前 , 129F
黑松出手幾乎都是三分
06/29 17:44, 129F

06/29 17:46, 7年前 , 130F
巫師應該會拿Otto出來換表弟,沒換到WCS有機會
06/29 17:46, 130F

06/29 17:59, 7年前 , 131F
我們不會出WCS吧?
06/29 17:59, 131F

06/29 18:18, 7年前 , 132F
假設打到一半發現新雙塔太猛,什麼都可能
06/29 18:18, 132F

06/29 22:28, 7年前 , 133F
出WCS當主菜能換到Otto的話最好不過 Otto防守範圍全面
06/29 22:28, 133F

06/29 23:12, 7年前 , 134F
鵜鶘的薪資空間都快爆表了,mirotic明年也要簽約,鵜鶘應
06/29 23:12, 134F

06/29 23:12, 7年前 , 135F
該不可能表弟直接換porter,來吃下24m的薪資吧。
06/29 23:12, 135F
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