[外電] Lakers make the wrong move going with Ron Artest

看板Lakers (洛杉磯 湖人)作者 (阿茂)時間17年前 (2009/07/03 14:48), 編輯推噓52(53142)
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http://0rz.tw/jlxGx Lakers make the wrong move going with Ron Artest The champs should have spent more time negotiating with Trevor Ariza and passed on the forward with a volatile past. 11:12 PM PDT, July 2, 2009 Less than three weeks after the parade, the NBA champion Lakers have already met the biggest threat to their throne. Themselves. What are they thinking? What are they doing? They just won a title that would not have been possible without the strong defense and stunning shooting of a 24-year-old kid with a limitless ceiling. Yet they send the kid packing for an aging nut whose greatest hits have occurred on the heads of fans. They just won a title with a locker room bathed in the soothing light of unselfishness, teamwork and a quiet temerity. Yet they cut the power and added the darkest of moods, a guy who has made a career out of hoarding the ball, the attention, and the anger. Tell me again, why did they get rid of Trevor Ariza for Ron Artest? Explain to me, please, why they wouldn't even negotiate further with Trevor Ariza before quickly agreeing to sign Ron Artest? Artest is a better player, but that's not the point. Ariza was a better fit, and that's what wins championships. Artest is a strong defender, but if the Lakers need someone to quietly hound a guy during a routine inbounds pass and be willing to make a small play to win a big game, that's Ariza. Artest is a good shooter, but if the Lakers need someone willing to stand in the shadows for three quarters and emerge to make a big three-pointer before disappearing again, that's Ariza. Artest will supposedly make the Lakers tougher, but what is tougher than showing up every day and playing hard every play and fighting your way to a championship? Ariza has a ring, Artest does not, so the Lakers are giving up wins. Ariza is young 24, Artest is an old 29, so the Lakers are giving up age. Ariza shot 48% from the three-point line in the playoffs while Artest shot 28%, so the Lakers are giving up clutch. The one thing the Lakers are absolutely gaining here is money, which is exactly what you will be paying them in increasing increments next season. Artest will sign a three-year deal for about $18 million, roughly the same annual salary that the Houston Rockets gave Ariza. But Ariza was given two more years by the Rockets, pushing his total closer to $33 million. 簡單來說,Bill Plaschke認為奪冠後湖人犯下第一個足以威脅王朝的錯誤就是沒續簽 攻守俱佳且潛力無限的Ariza。 Bill Plaschke非常不爽湖人沒給Ariza更多的談判時間就簽下阿泰,他認為兩者相比 阿泰是個較好的球員,但是Ariza是個較適合湖人的球員 阿泰的防守較好,但Ariza可以安靜的追獵邊線發球的球員,以小貢獻幫球隊拿下大比賽 阿泰的得分較好,但Ariza願意其他三節隱身,在需要他的時候再爆氣 阿泰可以讓湖人隊更硬,但是有誰能從開季就一直硬到冠軍賽結束? Ariza有戒指、季後賽三分命中率更高、更年輕,且和火箭簽下的合約和阿泰與湖人 的差不多,總之,湖人和阿泰簽約就是錯了! --- 嗯...我覺得這篇的論點還蠻薄弱的啦... 不過也希望Ariza可以有好的發展! 也期待 Kobe & 阿泰 VS 巴爺 & 高以愛 的戲碼! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 218.175.216.149

07/03 14:49, , 1F
會簽回來 放心啦(挖鼻孔)
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07/03 14:50, , 2F
Bill Plaschke,不意外....
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07/03 14:50, , 3F
回來說真的 也沒位置了 何況還有藍藍路
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07/03 14:50, , 4F
可是ARIZA要先把經濟人FIRE掉
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07/03 14:50, , 5F
阿泰為了冠軍連這種薪水都願意拿了,當他願意配合團隊
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打出來的效應會很可怕
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07/03 14:51, , 7F
這篇在講什麼 我怎麼什麼都看不到 XD
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希望都大家都認為是錯的,然後低調五連霸
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不過就是一個lakers hater
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07/03 14:51, , 10F
Ariza的經紀人談判能力真的很...差耶
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07/03 14:51, , 11F
Ariza和阿泰薪水一樣多半的GM會選阿泰吧
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07/03 14:52, , 12F
這篇大意是 葡萄好酸歐
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07/03 14:52, , 13F
欲加之罪 何患無辭
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07/03 14:53, , 14F
題外話,Ariza和Artest的經紀人都叫David唷~ XD
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07/03 14:53, , 15F
你去看看其他版 大家都說湖人開外掛....
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07/03 14:54, , 16F
庫胖:怪我囉?
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07/03 14:55, , 17F
嗯...其實其他版也沒說錯啦...
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07/03 14:56, , 18F
美國糗爺嗎?
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07/03 14:57, , 19F
美國版鄉民要戰了嗎??
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07/03 14:58, , 20F
專家都自以為專家
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07/03 14:58, , 21F
Artest是可以改變比賽走向的人
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07/03 15:01, , 22F
整篇就是阿泰防守較好進攻較好 但ariza總之就是更好XD
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07/03 15:01, , 23F
這些理由跟比較像是無腦酸民會掰的理由= =
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07/03 15:05, , 24F
問題就是Ariza開的價錢太高了 適合湖人有什麼用
07/03 15:05, 24F

07/03 15:09, , 25F
傻傻的...Artest可以吸引更多觀眾 球迷 新聞話題
07/03 15:09, 25F

07/03 15:17, , 26F
「Ariza 是個較適合湖人的球員」這的確是重點,但阿泰適不適
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07/03 15:18, , 27F
適不適合 開打才知道
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07/03 15:18, , 28F
就算不適合 以阿泰的約也很好交易 科科XD
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07/03 15:19, , 29F
合還有待證明,現在就說失敗也許還太早(雖然我很想承認他的
07/03 15:19, 29F

07/03 15:19, , 30F
不適合 可以配上Ammo或沙沙的約打包嗎 ? XDDD
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07/03 15:20, , 31F
論點說到我心坎裡去了) 但我也只能選擇相信了
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07/03 15:22, , 32F
我想不用擔心 因為湖人的得分點太多了 完全不用怕阿泰
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07/03 15:22, , 33F
拋開同隊情誼 一樣的薪水選阿泰是正常的
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07/03 15:22, , 34F
會熄火的問題 他拿中產價只要做到大鎖就超值了
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07/03 15:23, , 35F
畢竟庫總近來真的開竅了,應該不會故意拿專頭砸自己招牌才是
07/03 15:23, 35F

07/03 15:23, , 36F
而他若腦充血 湖人陣容變化多 換下來也不用怕會怎樣
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07/03 15:24, , 37F
順便在進攻時等Kobe分個球投三分空檔XD
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07/03 15:24, , 38F
磚頭
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07/03 15:24, , 39F
他拿這麼少已經夠佛心~而且防守 進攻升級了!!!
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07/03 15:25, , 40F
雖然我也很喜歡Ariza 但我覺得簽阿泰是個明智的選擇
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07/03 15:25, , 41F
他是騎士派來的吧 ARIZA能做的ARTEST都可以
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07/03 15:26, , 42F
而且阿里沙能抄到關鍵球~老二也功不可沒吧!!!
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07/03 15:26, , 43F
事實就是 KOBE下場之後 ARTEST是不錯的進攻選擇
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07/03 15:26, , 44F
阿泰的抄截同樣不少吧
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07/03 15:27, , 45F
先撇開喜不喜歡的問題,亞里沙確實花了一球季的時間證明了她
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是一個適合湖人的球員;庫總會選擇阿泰,我想跟今年的軍備
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07/03 15:31, , 47F
競賽有最直接的關係吧,另外就是被那個死經紀人給激怒了吧= =
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07/03 15:33, , 48F
這讓我想起當初Artest要去火箭時,火箭迷難掩興奮感受
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07/03 15:34, , 49F
高以愛這麼低調 認真 聽話 拼命的年輕人去哪找???
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07/03 15:34, , 50F
大衛你他媽雜碎
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07/03 15:38, , 51F
難道看不出來這是死屍般的升級嗎.....>_<
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07/03 15:39, , 52F
低調 認真 聽話 拼命的年輕人,五點剛剛好完全說明了她的好QQ
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07/03 15:39, , 53F
結果今年阿泰的薪水比去年還低200w。。。真不知道怎麼了
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07/03 15:40, , 54F
明明是千萬年薪的身手,到湖人拿那麼一點。。
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07/03 15:40, , 55F
難道他除了低調 認真 聽話 拼命 年輕 就沒其他好處嗎XDD
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07/03 15:41, , 56F
homo 貓 要跟著阿泰一起跳槽來湖人了嗎 = =
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07/03 15:41, , 57F
史詩
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07/03 15:42, , 58F
阿里沙的三分也是透過球隊輪轉和有人吸引包夾的空檔~阿泰
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07/03 15:43, , 59F
靦腆 羞澀 手長 腳長有天份的年輕人...可以嗎??
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其他好處都被阿泰給取代啦,不然庫總幹嘛捨她而就阿泰呢 ?
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07/03 15:44, , 61F
也應該做得到吧!而且本身也有單打能力和低位進攻以及背框
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07/03 15:45, , 62F
所以防守就更不用說了!!!滿足了~
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07/03 15:45, , 63F
(認真)Ariza再怎麼長也不見得能比阿太適合三角陣地戰
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07/03 15:45, , 64F
但是我就是很度濫.....
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07/03 15:46, , 65F
雖然我也喜歡Ariza 但我真的覺得GM這交易物超所值
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07/03 15:46, , 66F
那個死經紀人
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07/03 15:47, , 67F
三角進攻ariza只是角色,不是三角一員,阿泰...
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07/03 15:48, , 68F
A 大幹嘛插人家中間啦...
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07/03 15:48, , 69F
只不過阿泰的速度沒有阿里沙快罷了~輪轉防守要多擔待了
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07/03 15:49, , 70F
ariza身體更瘦弱,速度快也就剛剛好
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07/03 15:49, , 71F
顆顆 沒關係 我幫你翻譯 我就是很度爛那個死經紀人!!!
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07/03 15:49, , 72F
如果阿泰速度再快點,那他就叫六步朗了
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07/03 15:50, , 73F
但有時候球隊就是需要這種角色球員 肯犧牲 肯配合來成就大事
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07/03 15:51, , 74F
是啊!!!很滿足了~對於阿里沙只能說可惜了!(那個死經紀人)
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07/03 15:52, , 75F
備註 : 我不是在說 阿泰 不肯犧牲 不肯配合喔 = =
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07/03 15:52, , 76F
那經紀人真的是毀了Ariza也毀了他自己...
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07/03 15:53, , 77F
恩 一對一防守可能會進步 不過輪轉防守感覺會變慢
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07/03 15:53, , 78F
人家Ariza說不定還可以多拿幾枚戒指的...
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07/03 15:54, , 79F
Ariza還年輕 一定有機會拿戒指的 來湖人的話
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07/03 15:56, , 80F
J大,盯防既然進步了,輪轉防守的份量應該就相對變少了吧XDD
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07/03 15:56, , 81F
就為了那0.2M...
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07/03 15:57, , 82F
...我還是覺得阿泰比較好 雖然我很喜歡ARIZA XD
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07/03 15:59, , 83F
我們不是都很喜歡放外面給投 輪轉的情況會變少嗎 ^^"
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07/03 16:01, , 84F
那得要看阿泰會不會去協防內線吧,這又要扯到更多了,懶得寫
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07/03 16:02, , 85F
嗯 我們好像不太轉的 放投~ 呵呵
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07/03 16:03, , 86F
阿泰當然是很好阿,但就站在Ariza的立場看,他才剛在湖人
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07/03 16:04, , 87F
打出名堂來,結果那經紀人居然要把他送去一個...唉 不提也
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罷的球隊...這...這經紀人...什麼跟什麼阿?
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完全是那經紀人錯估形勢 沒料到阿泰會暗渡陳倉的過來.....
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07/03 16:13, , 90F
Ariza若把經紀人fire掉 還是有機會回湖人的
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07/03 16:18, , 91F
回來也沒他位置了 真傻
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07/03 16:19, , 92F
不會沒位置啊 Ariza一開始就是打狼人的替補
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07/03 17:26, , 93F
阿泰再火箭明明已經硬了一季
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07/03 18:47, , 94F
kb81的中間被插了..
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07/03 19:14, , 95F
會不會明天的新聞出來...藍藍路跟阿里札交換阿..太刺激了!
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07/03 22:02, , 96F
還是回來吧
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