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[外電] After Lamar Odom, the Lakers' option …

看板Lakers (洛杉磯 湖人)作者 (閉關修煉)時間17年前 (2009/07/16 17:44), 編輯推噓33(33推 0噓 103→)
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來源： http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-odom16-2009jul16,0,7776937.story There are players available, but the best ones are probably too expensive and they can't match the versatility of Odom, who is talking to the Heat. By Broderick Turner July 16, 2009 So where will the Lakers turn to now that they have pulled the deals they offered to Lamar Odom off the table? The pickings left on the free-agent heap are slim, and were made even more difficult for the Lakers because they have exhausted their best spending tools. They used the mid-level exception of $5.8 million on Ron Artest and the "bi-annual exception" of $1.99 million on Shannon Brown. All they have left at their disposal to sign a player is the veteran's minimum annual salary because they are over the salary cap. The veteran's minimum is a sliding scale, starting at $457,588 for a rookie and going up to as much as $1.306 million for a veteran with 10 or more years of experience. Then the issue becomes whether an unrestricted free agent will take less money from the Lakers because they are the NBA champions who have a chance to repeat and they play in Los Angeles. The Lakers could do a sign-and-trade for Odom, or trade another player to get a quality player. The Lakers probably will look for a big man, someone who can play backup power forward and center. Players such as Chris Wilcox, Joe Smith and Drew Gooden fit that mold and are still available, but probably will get the mid-level exception or a portion of it. Stromile Swift, Sean May, Jarron Collins, Sheldon Williams, Mikki Moore, Ike Diogu, Tim Thomas, Juwan Howard and former Laker Chris Mihm could be possibilities for the Lakers. But none of those names has the versatility of Odom. The Lakers offered deals of four years at $9 million a season for a total of $36 million or three years at $10 million for a total of $30 million to Odom and his agent, Jeff Schwartz. But after not getting a response, Lakers owner Jerry Buss pulled the deals off the table. Odom has been talking to the Miami Heat about signing the mid-level exception of $5.8 million, which would adjust to five years for $34 million. On Wednesday, teammate Kobe Bryant called Odom to find out how negotiations with the team were going. 前面敘述目前的狀況 提到球團可以有哪些替代人選 但作者認為那些人無法取代多才多藝的老二 重點在最後一句話 星期三老大打電話問老二和球團談的怎麼樣? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.121.97 ※ 編輯: Xpin 來自: 140.112.121.97 (07/16 17:44)
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07/16 17:50, , 1F
有老大..萬事ok
07/16 17:50, 1F
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07/16 17:51, , 2F
星期三老大叫老二去找出如何和球隊繼續談判的？
07/16 17:51, 2F
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07/16 17:51, , 3F
不知道為什麼 看到kobe出馬有種安心的感覺...
07/16 17:51, 3F
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07/16 17:53, , 4F
如果翻成"Kobe打給Odom，問他與球隊談的怎麼樣?"
07/16 17:53, 4F
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07/16 17:57, , 5F
感覺意思是要老二和球團重開談判吧?? 要怎樣翻比較好?
07/16 17:57, 5F
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07/16 17:58, , 6F
如何與球隊繼續談判下去?
07/16 17:58, 6F
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07/16 17:59, , 7F
耶 不對 好像gua那樣比較對
07/16 17:59, 7F
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07/16 17:59, , 8F
如何和球團繼續談判下去的"方法"?
07/16 17:59, 8F
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07/16 18:00, , 9F
希望Kobe出馬能定掉Buss,湖人應該起碼開給Odom4y3600up
07/16 18:00, 9F
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07/16 18:00, , 10F
guato 翻的較貼近原意. 只是去了解一下情況罷了
07/16 18:00, 10F
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07/16 18:00, , 11F
不要第四年還來個球隊選擇權之類的鳥東西...
07/16 18:00, 11F
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07/16 18:00, , 12F
可是現在談的狀況不就是球團不爽談了?
07/16 18:00, 12F
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07/16 18:01, , 13F
不然這樣對待功臣,是輸了面子也同時輸了裡子
07/16 18:01, 13F
※ 編輯: Xpin 來自: 140.112.121.97 (07/16 18:02)
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07/16 18:01, , 14F
我想Kobe應該會比較站在勞方的立場幫忙吧,厭惡資方嘴臉
07/16 18:01, 14F
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07/16 18:05, , 15F
Odom的嘴臉有好到哪去嗎....
07/16 18:05, 15F
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07/16 18:12, , 16F
這還是職業運動 勞方資方哪方有錯?
07/16 18:12, 16F
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07/16 18:15, , 17F
在商言商阿 對勞方來要是合約能談得漂亮 能多賺不少錢
07/16 18:15, 17F
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07/16 18:16, , 18F
但站在球迷的立場,應該是不論如何都希望湖人衛冕
07/16 18:16, 18F
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07/16 18:16, , 19F
這也是勞方找專業的經濟人來幫他談判的目的阿
07/16 18:16, 19F
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07/16 18:17, , 20F
也希望湖人能簽下Odom吧?除非他很好被取代
07/16 18:17, 20F
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07/16 18:17, , 21F
我就搞不懂球迷幹嘛站在勞方立場思考?應該在陣容角度思
07/16 18:17, 21F
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07/16 18:18, , 22F
還是台灣人習慣了被資方欺壓的奴役性格使然？
07/16 18:18, 22F
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07/16 18:19, , 23F
也扯太遠了
07/16 18:19, 23F
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07/16 18:20, , 24F
沒錯,是扯遠了,只是這場戲看下來我站在勞方立場
07/16 18:20, 24F
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07/16 18:20, , 25F
湖人該開給Odom長約,只是總價不應該到5000W
07/16 18:20, 25F
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07/16 18:20, , 26F
這跟台灣差很多耶，一切交由市場決定，看不出有哪邊被壓搾
07/16 18:20, 26F
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07/16 18:21, , 27F
湖人開個5y4400W,平均850W,我想Odom應該也不會太機歪
07/16 18:21, 27F
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07/16 18:21, , 28F
有行無市老闆當然不會多開，又不是慈善家，反過來說，時機
07/16 18:21, 28F
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07/16 18:22, , 29F
又來了那一套有行無市，這就是資方思考的醜陋嘴臉
07/16 18:22, 29F
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07/16 18:22, , 30F
若對，握有談判籌碼，就會得到比預期更高的價碼
07/16 18:22, 30F
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07/16 18:22, , 31F
你根本搞不懂，自由競爭下本來就是如此，所以才會有人領了
07/16 18:22, 31F
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07/16 18:22, , 32F
站在球迷的觀點,沒必要這樣想吧?開個合理的價碼會很虧?
07/16 18:22, 32F
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07/16 18:23, , 33F
比他伸手還多的錢阿，想賺大錢機運本就很重要
07/16 18:23, 33F
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07/16 18:23, , 34F
我不站在任何一方，這就是談判，就是自由競爭
07/16 18:23, 34F
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07/16 18:23, , 35F
又不是overpaid Odom...開5年給奪冠的功臣會很超過嗎?
07/16 18:23, 35F
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07/16 18:23, , 36F
B大,我不知道究竟真實情況,但之前有消息是說有4年/36M
07/16 18:23, 36F
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07/16 18:24, , 37F
但被回絕
07/16 18:24, 37F
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07/16 18:24, , 38F
如果今天是台灣那種動不動就要共體時艱，那當然站勞方
07/16 18:24, 38F
還有 58 則推文
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07/16 18:47, , 97F
湖人要付很多稅不應該怪odom吧...自己簽了那麼多爛約
07/16 18:47, 97F
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07/16 18:47, , 98F
很希望他能留下來一起拼明年 失去了以愛已經很難過了
07/16 18:47, 98F
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07/16 18:47, , 99F
我真的認為5年50M是佛心價，Odom不只值這錢
07/16 18:47, 99F
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07/16 18:47, , 100F
如果ODOM簽了中產等於他也不在湖人了 兩敗俱傷的下場
07/16 18:47, 100F
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07/16 18:47, , 101F
延長合約年限不見得會多繳稅啦 XD
07/16 18:47, 101F
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07/16 18:47, , 102F
odom這張是值的...不能因為之前的爛約把薪資空間卡死
07/16 18:47, 102F
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07/16 18:47, , 103F
但市場就是如此，湖人不想當冤大頭阿
07/16 18:47, 103F
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07/16 18:47, , 104F
來要求odom應該拿少一點吧...這不太對吧...
07/16 18:47, 104F
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07/16 18:47, , 105F
說到底就是他換約的時間點不好，今年各隊願意出的價碼幾乎
07/16 18:47, 105F
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07/16 18:47, , 106F
不是怪他阿 但是付很多稅一定會影響老闆出價 這是事實
07/16 18:47, 106F
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07/16 18:47, , 107F
都比湖人差，沒有人報更高的價他當然沒有談判籌碼
07/16 18:47, 107F
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07/16 18:48, , 108F
"如果"是開5年4000萬 可不見得會多繳豪華稅呢
07/16 18:48, 108F
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07/16 18:48, , 109F
只能說他合約到的真不是時候
07/16 18:48, 109F
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07/16 18:48, , 110F
不是我們要求他拿少 是老闆不願意出這麼多 這中間有點差別
07/16 18:48, 110F
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07/16 18:49, , 111F
其實我覺得年限夠長應該可以讓odom改變心意...但湖人
07/16 18:49, 111F
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07/16 18:49, , 112F
似乎希望將來能更有效的操作不要把薪資卡死...
07/16 18:49, 112F
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07/16 18:49, , 113F
沒人要求他少拿，就算搞到最後他賭氣拿中產去他隊也沒啥
07/16 18:49, 113F
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07/16 18:50, , 114F
我自己是覺得5年4000萬很合理 不過這也要看老闆
07/16 18:50, 114F
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07/16 18:51, , 115F
5年4000快簽下去吧
07/16 18:51, 115F
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07/16 18:52, , 116F
湖人對5年感覺上沒興趣，還是4年最有機會
07/16 18:52, 116F
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07/16 18:53, , 117F
感覺起來的確是如此 可是Odom不留其實我也會覺得很擔心
07/16 18:53, 117F
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07/16 21:39, , 118F
站在球迷立場第一希望當然是球隊常保競爭力 年年都有衝擊冠軍
07/16 21:39, 118F
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07/16 21:40, , 119F
的實力 這也是不肯給長約的原因 隊上很多人都是這個例子了吧
07/16 21:40, 119F
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07/16 23:50, , 120F
5年50佛心??現在有哪個球員35歲還能拿千萬年薪阿??
07/16 23:50, 120F
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07/16 23:50, , 121F
真的簽下去五年後就是一堆人罵為啥有這爛約了
07/16 23:50, 121F
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07/17 00:30, , 122F
不用5年阿~ 照理說這種約第四年就會有球迷罵了，這幾乎
07/17 00:30, 122F
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07/17 00:30, , 123F
是每個千萬球星必經的路阿..
07/17 00:30, 123F
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07/17 00:31, , 124F
到時大概湖迷就一堆高新低能、老邁年高、占薪資的批評
07/17 00:31, 124F
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07/17 00:32, , 125F
非湖迷則會說湖人管理果然腦殘，只會亂花錢等
07/17 00:32, 125F
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07/17 00:54, , 126F
其實老二在別的球隊能不能有比在LA更多的貢獻，我是覺
07/17 00:54, 126F
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07/17 00:55, , 127F
得不太可能啦！畢竟他都最熟悉湖人打法了，所以留在湖
07/17 00:55, 127F
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07/17 00:56, , 128F
人吧！別隊也不會想用更高的薪水簽你的
07/17 00:56, 128F
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07/17 01:57, , 129F
ODOM這種打法也是這兩年的事
07/17 01:57, 129F
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07/17 20:15, , 130F
Odom之前黑暗期表現不是很好 薪水卻很高,現在打出績效,
07/17 20:15, 130F
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07/17 20:16, , 131F
就要求加薪,之前沒打出來的時候 老闆有叫他領少點嗎
07/17 20:16, 131F
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07/17 20:17, , 132F
不懂職業運動本來就是一門生意 在那邊挺某一方,我也挺
07/17 20:17, 132F
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07/17 20:18, , 133F
另一方Buss,他們家又沒開賭場,你以為Buss跟Cuban一樣??
07/17 20:18, 133F
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07/17 23:27, , 134F
樓上的,Odom今年要的前沒有一個是加薪的,還減起碼400W
07/17 23:27, 134F
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07/17 23:27, , 135F
你不喜歡他就直說,不用這樣抹黑
07/17 23:27, 135F
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07/18 00:50, , 136F
Odom本季實際薪資似乎是1140
07/18 00:50, 136F
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