[外電] Lamar Odom and Lakers resume talks

看板Lakers (洛杉磯 湖人)作者 (天道者)時間17年前 (2009/07/23 14:28), 編輯推噓34(34073)
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LA Times: http://0rz.com/2xVe By Broderick Turner and Mike Bresnahan July 23, 2009 Is the table being set again? A week after the Lakers pulled a pair of contract offers to Lamar Odom off the table, the sides resumed talks Wednesday. 就在湖人翻桌的一個禮拜後,雙方再度把桌子擺正,星期三再度上桌。 The discussions were labeled productive, but there was nothing to report "at the moment," according to a source familiar with negotiations who was not authorized to comment publicly. 根據消息來源,話說了不少、也都不是廢話、但是現在也沒什麼好爆料的...。 It didn't look great last week for Odom's return to the Lakers after the franchise yanked its offers of three years and $30 million or four years and $36 million, with the fourth year only partially guaranteed. 當上週湖人撤下了3Y/30M和4Y/36M﹝第四年部分保證約﹞兩份菜單時, Lamar想回湖人的路看起來似乎不太美麗...。 But the sides began communicating in a more positive light Wednesday. Financial details were not immediately available, though the Lakers were not expected to have improved their initial offers. If anything, the offers might have dropped slightly. 但是本週三雙方的喇勒正面了許多,雖然花差花差方面的細節不得而知, 但是湖人應該沒打算調漲原本的報價,甚至,還有可能是稍微下調的。 Odom, who will be 30 in November, was a key part of the Lakers' championship run, and his teammates have unilaterally expressed a desire for his return, including Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher. 身為冠軍湖人的鑰匙之一,包括Kobe跟Fisher在內的隊友們都很希望 11月就要過30歲生日的Lamar能回到那真正資格說「家」的家。 On the other hand, the Lakers are conscious about veering too far into luxury-tax territory. They have already allocated $83.8 million to 12 players next season, which would mean an additional luxury-tax penalty of $13.9 million. 目前湖人有12人、下季將吃掉8380萬美刀,已經超過豪華稅門檻1390萬...。 Last season, the Lakers' payroll was $78.2 million and they paid an additional $7.2 million in luxury taxes. 上季,湖人的團隊薪資是7820萬,繳了720萬的稅。 If the Lakers don't get Odom, their options are slim other than a trade. They can sign a veteran forward for about $1 million. They also must decide by Aug. 1 whether to bring back seldom-used guard Sun Yue for $736,000 next season. 如果湖人請不回Lamar,他們除了交易外的選擇很少,可以用一百萬簽一個老將前鋒, 此外他們也必須在八月一號決定下季薪水73.6萬的孫大聖的去向...。 The Lakers have also considered forward Shelden Williams. 湖人也對CP3的老公有興趣...。 The Lakers have used both spending tools given to teams that are over the salary cap -- the "mid-level exception" of $5.8 million next season was spent on Ron Artest and the "bi-annual exception" of $2 million next season was given to reserve guard Shannon Brown, who re-signed with the team for two years and $4.2 million. 湖人已經在阿泰身上用了全額中產,也在香農身上用了雙數年條款...。 Odom was on the Lakers' books for $14.1 million last season, but will obviously have to take a pay cut. The Miami Heat has expressed interest in him, though the cap-strapped Heat could offer only a mid-level deal worth $34 million. 上季Lamar的薪水是14.1M,但是他今年必然要打折了。 自認很有良心的前東家熱火對他也很有興趣,不過他們只能出誠意中產5Y/34M。 The Lakers took their offers to Odom off the table last week after learning he was engaging in discussions with the Heat. 湖人就是在知道Lamar跑去跟熱火談心時掀桌子的...。 The Lakers will wait until the Odom situation is resolved before signing Kobe Bryant to a contract extension. 湖人會先把Lamar的問題搞定才去煩惱Kobe的續約。 Bryant will get $23 million next season and is expected to receive an extension on top of it that would pay him $134 million to $138 million over the next five seasons, depending on salary-cap figures to be determined in July 2011. Bryant will be 31 next month. Kobe下季會拿23M,而且預期會得到一份續約,價碼取決於2011年7月上架的新款CBA 可能將讓他在接下來五年拿到134M至138M。Kobe下個月就要過他31歲的生日了...。 小翻一下,其實這還比較合理,Dr. Buss不像是那種撤掉合約後會因為球員主動 轉頭回來談心﹝道歉﹞就會開更高的價碼的人,而且那千萬的價碼負擔太大了, 這樣也好,湖人應該是不會撞上Winner's Curse和Champion's Curse了...。 -- 從97年開始接觸MLB和NBA, 在看到Pedro Martinez的變速球後愛上紅襪, 同時也因為Kobe的灌籃大賽冠軍而愛上湖人。 過去,湖人的三連霸淡化了紅襪的悲情, 之後,紅襪的大逆轉彌補了湖人的崩潰, 希望今年,我能夠看到這兩者同時站上巔峰! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 70.79.65.147 ※ 編輯: spko 來自: 70.79.65.147 (07/23 14:29)

07/23 14:38, , 1F
翻譯辛苦推!!!
07/23 14:38, 1F

07/23 14:40, , 2F
KOBE拿到27M感覺好貴...(小聲)
07/23 14:40, 2F

07/23 14:54, , 3F
其實那只是一般媒體的預期,最頂級的續約...
07/23 14:54, 3F

07/23 14:54, , 4F
希望留下Lamar可以讓湖人有跟Kobe好好談的機會...
07/23 14:54, 4F

07/23 14:59, , 5F
因為是延長合約 所以就要看新CBA的規定了 希望湖人能
07/23 14:59, 5F

07/23 15:00, , 6F
"好好"的跟 Kobe談 我個人不希望他再拿那麼多錢...
07/23 15:00, 6F

07/23 15:01, , 7F
要看老大怎麼想了...看最後是以利為先還是以寫歷史為要
07/23 15:01, 7F

07/23 15:02, , 8F
當然,不論哪一方面,他都已經很成功了
07/23 15:02, 8F

07/23 15:09, , 9F
老實說 我不覺得熱火是有誠意簽他就是了
07/23 15:09, 9F

07/23 15:10, , 10F
開個中產 有賺到 沒有也不虧
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07/23 15:11, , 11F
年限開長一點只是為了總價大一點 好看一點
07/23 15:11, 11F

07/23 15:12, , 12F
中產的Odom兩三年後可是很有交易價值的
07/23 15:12, 12F

07/23 15:15, , 13F
真的有誠意的話豈會用他交易俠客 熱火也只是一隻在商言商
07/23 15:15, 13F

07/23 15:15, , 14F
的球隊罷了
07/23 15:15, 14F

07/23 15:17, , 15F
熱火算很正常的動作 只要有機會就去試 小牛也傳出有興
07/23 15:17, 15F

07/23 15:17, , 16F
趣啊 像我們簽到阿泰 也是有機會就試 結果成功了
07/23 15:17, 16F

07/23 15:19, , 17F
我只是覺得大家說湖人沒誠意很怪 熱火比較有誠意?
07/23 15:19, 17F

07/23 15:21, , 18F
希望Lamar別在猶豫~簽就對啦~
07/23 15:21, 18F

07/23 15:27, , 19F
Kobe拿27m會有人出來分析一下市場的行情嗎
07/23 15:27, 19F

07/23 15:40, , 20F
push
07/23 15:40, 20F

07/23 15:40, , 21F
老大拿得越高,有大物在隊上的GM就會越頭痛( ′-`)y-~
07/23 15:40, 21F

07/23 15:42, , 22F
所以熱火方面老拿「回家」來喊話一直讓我肚子不太舒服...
07/23 15:42, 22F

07/23 15:43, , 23F
至少我不覺得把人簽下六年、用一年就丟掉的球隊有資格喊誠意
07/23 15:43, 23F

07/23 15:46, , 24F
我也同意天行者,就連俠客也是被它們用完即丟,何來的誠意 ??
07/23 15:46, 24F

07/23 15:50, , 25F
給合約的誠意跟執行合約的誠意不同啦 XDD
07/23 15:50, 25F

07/23 15:52, , 26F
講誠意真的太沉重了 那些喊話 不過是簽約的誘餌罷了
07/23 15:52, 26F

07/23 15:55, , 27F
誠意是喊給球迷聽的啦,不然搞得太冰冷無情還有人要看嗎 ??
07/23 15:55, 27F

07/23 15:57, , 28F
要做戲就要做全套的,至少熱火的做法我根本無法買帳 = =
07/23 15:57, 28F

07/23 16:00, , 29F
另一邊 Spurs 剛剛簽下 Ratliff 了 @_@
07/23 16:00, 29F

07/23 16:03, , 30F
Ratliff 還能打嗎 ????? 連石佛都進入衰退期了還指望這種的
07/23 16:03, 30F

07/23 16:13, , 31F
CP3老公是誰?
07/23 16:13, 31F

07/23 16:20, , 32F
我倒希望Kobe能續約到頂薪 應該煩惱錢的是球團 不應該靠著
07/23 16:20, 32F

07/23 16:20, , 33F
主將減薪來維持陣容 又不是減薪就能多簽FA 減薪只是讓球團
07/23 16:20, 33F

07/23 16:21, , 34F
省錢 反正都超過薪資上限了
07/23 16:21, 34F

07/23 16:58, , 35F
樓上居心叵測XDD
07/23 16:58, 35F

07/23 17:01, , 36F
還是希望Kobe能體認一下KG跟TD降價的心理阿
07/23 17:01, 36F

07/23 17:02, , 37F
畢竟他就算不降價 湖人現在的薪資已經爆炸了
07/23 17:02, 37F

07/23 17:18, , 38F
汀斯利被買斷就簽簽看吧,「反正都超過薪資上限了」by spluto
07/23 17:18, 38F

07/23 17:25, , 39F
不不不 我是覺得球團該付出的不該讓Kobe分擔 除了對上魔術
07/23 17:25, 39F
還有 28 則推文
07/23 18:18, , 68F
這邊本來就是講爽的..你看過湖人隊看PTT的建議來運作的嗎XD?
07/23 18:18, 68F

07/23 18:25, , 69F
錢不是無限的...當支出超過公司所能承擔的時候...
07/23 18:25, 69F

07/23 18:25, , 70F
老闆會考慮較符合公司利益的替代方案也是有可能的...
07/23 18:25, 70F

07/23 18:49, , 71F
老將拿底薪加盟強隊,重點不在「底薪」,而在「帶槍投靠」
07/23 18:49, 71F

07/23 18:51, , 72F
這樣球員是去了一支跟自己沒有太多情感和關係的球隊
07/23 18:51, 72F

07/23 18:51, , 73F
不容易得到尊重,拿了冠軍也大概自己爽的成分比較大...
07/23 18:51, 73F

07/23 18:52, , 74F
但看板球星為了母隊降薪,也並不會改變他是看板球星的地位...
07/23 18:52, 74F

07/23 18:54, , 75F
就好像頂級球星跟頂級合約並不是正相關的....
07/23 18:54, 75F

07/23 18:54, , 76F
一個普通球員不會因為拿了頂級合約而變成頂級球星
07/23 18:54, 76F

07/23 18:55, , 77F
頂級球星也不會因為拿了偏低的薪水而馬上被打成普通球員...
07/23 18:55, 77F

07/23 18:55, , 78F
當然,頂級球員之所以打到這個地位就是為了賺錢的...
07/23 18:55, 78F

07/23 18:56, , 79F
但當頂約已拿過、生涯進入下坡期,也是該開始作取捨的時候了
07/23 18:56, 79F

07/23 18:57, , 80F
頂級球星不會到老都是頂級,年紀越老薪水越高就會越來越尷尬
07/23 18:57, 80F

07/23 19:01, , 81F
話說今年湖人竟然沒有老將願意降薪投靠.....可能跟我們的
07/23 19:01, 81F

07/23 19:02, , 82F
薪資有關吧 或是我們一值在等Odom的關係?
07/23 19:02, 82F

07/23 19:28, , 83F
湖人有強咖降薪投靠啊 (泰哥.....)
07/23 19:28, 83F

07/23 19:28, , 84F
湖人要老將幹麻 @@? 我們都已經放千萬級的到替補了...
07/23 19:28, 84F

07/23 19:47, , 85F
阿泰降薪投靠啦...
07/23 19:47, 85F

07/23 23:01, , 86F
其實這種super star就是這樣,越打到後面資歷越久以後。
07/23 23:01, 86F

07/23 23:02, , 87F
能拿的薪水也會增加,而當孕L們拿到他們生涯最頂級薪水的
07/23 23:02, 87F

07/23 23:03, , 88F
時候,他們其實已經不是在巔峰了...不只Kobe這樣。
07/23 23:03, 88F

07/23 23:04, , 89F
要我說的話現在要滿31歲的Kobe根本不值得
07/23 23:04, 89F

07/23 23:04, , 90F
5年接近140M的續約,但你能不續嗎? 而且我會說這是給他
07/23 23:04, 90F

07/23 23:05, , 91F
應有的尊重,他前幾年的身手最近2年才拿超過20M。
07/23 23:05, 91F

07/23 23:06, , 92F
我可以說他之前根本就是拿佛薪價( 跟他的隊友的性價比相
07/23 23:06, 92F

07/23 23:06, , 93F
比...)真要說的話,Bynum比較值得拿出來講。
07/23 23:06, 93F

07/23 23:07, , 94F
他明年才開始那份平均14M的合約,我不知道他會不會值這
07/23 23:07, 94F

07/23 23:08, , 95F
個價,但就算他值,我可以說湖人根本沒享受到他新人約
07/23 23:08, 95F

07/23 23:09, , 96F
時期的價碼,他都在受傷...而且湖人從他一進隊就視為寶
07/23 23:09, 96F

07/23 23:10, , 97F
對他真的不差了....還沒完整的打出一季漂亮的球季。就直
07/23 23:10, 97F

07/23 23:10, , 98F
接享受高薪的續約,就算他明年打出來那也是應該的...。
07/23 23:10, 98F

07/23 23:12, , 99F
這年頭中鋒真的很吃香....
07/23 23:12, 99F

07/23 23:20, , 100F
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07/23 23:28, , 101F
以商業價值來看 Kobe應該有值這個價^^ 只是球隊負擔重..
07/23 23:28, 101F

07/23 23:31, , 102F
希望湖人用合理的價碼留住Odom後再跟Kobe好好談。
07/23 23:31, 102F

07/23 23:33, , 103F
如果能用5年110M左右的等級續約就還算成功.....。
07/23 23:33, 103F

07/24 01:47, , 104F
商業價值來看,Kobe一定賺超過這"可能的續約價"很多
07/24 01:47, 104F

07/24 01:47, , 105F
不過別拿這麼大吧 科~~比~~~
07/24 01:47, 105F

07/24 04:44, , 106F
老大拿這麼多錢說真的也沒有人有資格說他拿多吧
07/24 04:44, 106F

07/25 11:01, , 107F
Kobe如果保持目前人氣根本不差薪水這幾百萬
07/25 11:01, 107F
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