[新聞] Stevie G & Co have let down Kop bosses

看板Liverpool作者時間14年前 (2012/05/20 20:55), 編輯推噓41(42140)
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原文聯結:http://tinyurl.com/878xsdm ROY HODGSON did not fit. Even King Kenny did not fit. When will it occur to Liverpool that maybe the manager is not the problem? 霍格森不適合,國王肯尼不適合,利物浦什麼時候才會意識到也許真正的問題點 不是在主帥身上呢? Senior players such as Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Pepe Reina and Glen Johnson need to look at themselves and ask ‘Have I done enough?’ 一些比較資深的球員像是傑隊,卡副隊,雷納還有囧森必須好好想一想 "我做的足夠嗎" Maybe I’m stuck in the past but, as a player, your pride should be hurt when a manager loses his job because it means you haven’t done yours. That’s what I felt when Brian Clough left Nottingham Forest after we were relegated in 1993. 也許我的想法有點過時,但做為一個球員,當你的教練被開除時 你的自尊應當 受到傷害,因為這表示,你所做的遠遠不足夠。 這就是我當時的感覺,當1993年Brian Clough因為球隊降級離開諾丁漢森林時 Kenny Dalglish was sacked after Liverpool finished eighth, 37 points behind Manchester City and Manchester United. That’s not good enough for a club of their standing but winning the Carling Cup and reaching the final of the FA Cup should have bought him a bit more time. 國王被火的這個賽季,利物浦聯賽排名第八,37分落後曼超雙雄 也許對於球隊來說聯賽這個位置遠遠不夠 但聯賽杯冠軍,足總杯亞軍的成績應該是能夠為國王帶來多一點點的時間的 I’ve said before that, as it stands, Liverpool are a cup team and, on that score, they’ve done pretty well. Once Liverpool were known as a classy club. Anyone who dealt with them would say they acted with dignity and honour but they seem to have lost that. 就像我之前說的,從最近的表現來看,利物浦是支杯賽球隊 在這點上,他們做得很好。 利物浦是一支傳統強隊,任何人討論他們時都會認為他們表現得很令人尊敬 但看起來,他們已經失去這些了 There were two messy takeovers, the poor handling of the Luis Suarez situation, the departure of Damien Comolli and now the ditching of a club legend after only 18 months in charge. 有兩件事情他們處理得很糟糕,第一件是在處理蘇蘇的種族議題上 另一件就是科莫利的離開還有現在,火了俱樂部的傳奇在僅僅18個月後 It seems to me the American owners in the Premier League — at United, Liverpool, Aston Villa and Sunderland — have a different mentality from what we are used to. They want instant success. Splashing £100million might bring immediate results in American football but soccer is different and they need to get their heads around that. You could throw £100m at that Liverpool team tomorrow, no matter who the manager is, and they still wouldn’t be any closer to winning the league. 就我看來,英超的那些美國老闆--在曼聯,利物浦,維拉還有黑貓 想法跟我們一個很大的不同點 他們想要立竿見影式的成功 砸100M在美式足球確實能夠馬上得到戰績的回響,但這是足球 他們需要好好認清這一點 明天你可以在利物浦再投入一個100M,但不管誰是主帥 他們還是不會得到聯賽冠軍 In the past, Liverpool used to buy ready-made players like Peter Beardsley and John Barnes. Now they bring in younger ones who might have a higher resale value. How that is compatible with instant success, I don’t know. These things take time. Sure, some of their signings had not lived up to expectations but there were signs towards the end of the campaign that they were getting better and Kenny deserved the opportunity to stay in charge. 在過去,利物浦習慣買一些已經已經成型成名的球員像是Peter Beardsley還有 John Barnes。但現在他們帶來的球員是那些年輕然後可能能夠有更好的再售價值的球員 這些怎麼可能能夠馬上就帶來成功,我不懂。這些事情都是需要時間的 當然,有些買人看起來沒有滿足大家的期望,但也有一些新球員是在賽季末端表現得 越來越好,國王應該得到一個繼續待下去的機會 I wouldn’t blame the newer players either. Yes, they need to do better but what about the more experienced ones around them? 那我會怪罪那些新球員表現不好嗎?是的,我會,他們應該表現得更好但 那些在他們身邊更有經驗的又如何? Gerrard is a great player and we’ve all seen him win games on his own. That’ s fine but a captain doesn’t just play well himself, he gets the others to play well. Does Gerrard do that? I’m not so sure. Carragher and Reina have been around long enough to know what’s required and Johnson is the England right-back. What have they done to help? Have they invited new arrivals over for a meal or gone for a game of snooker with them to make sure they’re all right? 包子是個好球員我們知道,這些我們可以從他有時候靠著自己獨自的努力贏得了比賽看得 出來。但作為一個隊長,不是只有自己表現好就夠了,他還需要讓其他人表現得好 包子做到了嗎?我不是很確定。卡副和雷納待得夠久了,知道哪些東西是需要的 而囧森是英格蘭國家隊的右後衛,他們幫忙了什麼? 他們有邀請那些新來的球員去吃吃飯,打打撞球來確定這些新球員狀況ok嗎? When I got to United, living in a flat on my own, Steve Bruce asked me to go out for dinner and Bryan Robson had a few pints with me after games, not that I needed any encouragement. I did the same with younger players coming in. It’s a simple thing like going for a coffee with someone that can make the difference. I might be wrong but it doesn’t look to me like that’s happening at Liverpool. 當我剛到曼聯時(作者是曼聯的Roy Keane),獨自一人住,Steve Bruce 邀請我去 吃晚餐,Bryan Robson在比賽結束會找我去喝個幾杯,並不是因為我需要鼓勵 (而是新來的球員想要有融入球隊的感覺)  當年輕球員來到時,我也做了同樣的事情。這些事情都很簡單,像是和誰去喝個咖啡 但卻能帶來不同。我也許錯了,但我不認為這些事情在利物浦有發生 The search is on for a new manager and despite the problems it’s still a big job which will appeal to a lot of people. The club isn’t ready to take off in my opinion but it can improve. 雖然存在了不少問題,但這個選帥還是可以吸引到很多人因為它畢竟是份大工作 雖然這支球隊不會接受我的建議但他們可以改善它 Roberto Martinez has done well enough at Wigan to earn a chance to make the step-up. He could have left last year but showed a bit of loyalty, which is good to see. It also looks like he dodged a bullet in not going to Aston Villa. You have to be careful about who you get into bed with. But if he gets it and it doesn’t work out, will we hear the same old excuses about how the job was too big for him blah, blah, blah — or will people realise that maybe it’s the players rather than the manager to blame? Martinez在維根做得不錯所以贏得了再接下去做的機會。去年他可以選擇離開但並沒有 這種忠誠是大家樂見的 看起來他不太想接維拉的主帥缺,你確實應該小心選擇你的枕邊人 如果他接受了利物浦的主帥然後表現得不理想,我們是否又會聽到一些同樣的理由 那些這個職位超出了他的能力範疇之類的blah, blah, blah 或者是球迷會開始意識到其實比起主帥,球員才是應該抱怨的對象 文中的作者是曼聯的Roy Keane 而且有一定的立場 所以不喜歡的版友請多包涵 ※ 編輯: wugui 來自: 140.119.115.186 (05/20 21:01)

05/20 21:06, , 1F
只是這個GOOGLE翻譯讓人有乾脆看原文比較快的感覺...
05/20 21:06, 1F

05/20 21:07, , 2F
厄....翻很爛喔??我是自己翻的= ="
05/20 21:07, 2F

05/20 21:09, , 3F
sorry..有些句型太英語式 讓人有點難懂XD
05/20 21:09, 3F

05/20 21:09, , 4F
我覺得翻的還ok啊:)
05/20 21:09, 4F

05/20 21:10, , 5F
也是有它的道理在,尤其是美國老闆跟年輕球員那段
05/20 21:10, 5F

05/20 21:14, , 6F
哈其實也有考慮要哪種型式翻 有些不用英文句型沒有感覺
05/20 21:14, 6F

05/20 21:56, , 7F
美國商業思維...沒弄好搞不好會使利記向下沈淪 ~"~
05/20 21:56, 7F

05/20 22:01, , 8F
我一直希望隊上來個Tony Adams、Patrick Vieira或者是
05/20 22:01, 8F

05/20 22:02, , 9F
Roy Keane類型的來統領全隊的精神
05/20 22:02, 9F

05/20 22:03, , 10F
Keane這篇實在評的言之有理 看看車車的L8T26A3D11
05/20 22:03, 10F

05/20 22:03, , 11F
我們的G8C23J2R25實在少了些東西
05/20 22:03, 11F

05/20 22:22, , 12F
球霸精神嗎? 搞不好下個教練會看到
05/20 22:22, 12F

05/20 22:23, , 13F
說到下個教練 現在運彩賭盤賠率最低的是AVB...
05/20 22:23, 13F

05/20 23:22, , 14F
那句意思應該是 並不是因為我需要鼓勵
05/20 23:22, 14F

05/20 23:22, , 15F
ManUnited 少了Roy 也沒少了冠軍 那已是過去的想法
05/20 23:22, 15F

05/20 23:22, , 16F
(而是新來的球員想要有融入球隊的感覺)
05/20 23:22, 16F

05/20 23:25, , 17F
嗯我改一下
05/20 23:25, 17F
※ 編輯: wugui 來自: 140.119.134.195 (05/20 23:26)

05/20 23:25, , 18F
這篇文蠻中肯的 投資比當年阿布少 卻想要一年就進歐冠
05/20 23:25, 18F

05/20 23:26, , 19F
就算每年換帥 也沒有用
05/20 23:26, 19F

05/20 23:28, , 20F
卡佩羅好像對我們家有興趣 不過視轉會費多少來決定要不要來
05/20 23:28, 20F

05/20 23:56, , 21F
我覺得基恩這篇講的還算不錯
05/20 23:56, 21F

05/20 23:56, , 22F
至於卡佩羅 確實所到之處都有獎杯留下 但是球風實在..無聊
05/20 23:56, 22F

05/21 00:25, , 23F
利物浦跟阿布入主前的Chelsea可以比嗎
05/21 00:25, 23F

05/21 00:29, , 24F
翻譯大推,有人幫忙翻譯就很好了
05/21 00:29, 24F

05/21 00:36, , 25F
推!
05/21 00:36, 25F

05/21 00:51, , 26F
推!!不同的想法
05/21 00:51, 26F

05/21 01:19, , 27F
題外話,FB跟報導一直看到T9不爽要離開的消息,不知真假
05/21 01:19, 27F

05/21 01:25, , 28F
有啊 就是樓上那篇我推的那個記者推特
05/21 01:25, 28F

05/21 01:26, , 29F
那記者是可以信的,阿嫂盧隊亞當等一干球員都有發漏他
05/21 01:26, 29F

05/21 01:27, , 30F
那托雷斯這次想去哪...還有哪支球隊的更衣室氣氛好的嗎?
05/21 01:27, 30F

05/21 01:29, , 31F
昨天看歐冠就覺得以場上交流打氣方面來看
05/21 01:29, 31F

05/21 01:30, , 32F
Torres實在很像局外人
05/21 01:30, 32F

05/21 01:31, , 33F
非常像局外人 就連剛剛Live遊街慶祝 也沒他說話的份
05/21 01:31, 33F

05/21 01:33, , 34F
他的週薪跟身價應該哪都去不了
05/21 01:33, 34F

05/21 01:36, , 35F
至少他拿到他想要的了
05/21 01:36, 35F

05/21 01:38, , 36F
把他與馬競的法考 交換+墊錢 回到最愛也得到獎牌
05/21 01:38, 36F

05/21 01:38, , 37F
事實就是我們被打臉了 拿了高薪又有歐冠 而且還不用
05/21 01:38, 37F

05/21 01:39, , 38F
俱樂部也拿下最想得到的人 打法也不用改變 雙贏
05/21 01:39, 38F

05/21 01:39, , 39F
場場上 也不用去國家隊拼死拼活 真是夫復何求 有夠爽
05/21 01:39, 39F

05/21 01:41, , 40F
真的 現在想酸也沒資格酸了 我們就是被打臉了
05/21 01:41, 40F

05/21 02:46, , 41F
T9待過的球隊,今年都有拿到杯賽冠軍
05/21 02:46, 41F

05/21 03:51, , 42F
人生第二噓 以馬競球迷身分 純噓T9換Falcao
05/21 03:51, 42F

05/21 03:54, , 43F
就算是玩笑話 看了還是火 所以還是噓
05/21 03:54, 43F

05/21 03:58, , 44F
為什麼要噓托托?他為紅軍效力期間也是盡心盡力,離開後也
05/21 03:58, 44F

05/21 03:59, , 45F
給我們帶來了50M。 一般離開的紅軍球員我都會祝福他們,
05/21 03:59, 45F

05/21 04:00, , 46F
除非像阿德巴約,納斯里那種球員吧~ 看球以來比較不爽的是
05/21 04:00, 46F

05/21 04:00, , 47F
麥克馬納曼(Bosman to RM) & 歐文 (8M to RM)
05/21 04:00, 47F

05/21 04:02, , 48F
至少他們應該給球會帶來一定的轉會費呀 但是我還是喜歡歐文
05/21 04:02, 48F

05/21 04:07, , 49F
Falcao進球佔了馬競全隊50%,沒Falcao那馬競還玩啥
05/21 04:07, 49F

05/21 04:08, , 50F
純噓換Falcao這句
05/21 04:08, 50F

05/21 04:11, , 51F
這邊講馬競迷不爽也沒啥資格噓吧,又不是馬競版
05/21 04:11, 51F

05/21 04:28, , 52F
而且沒Falcao不代表馬競不會有其他前鋒吧,就算成真Torres
05/21 04:28, 52F

05/21 04:28, , 53F
也不是不會進球,馬競迷要想的是為甚麼球隊必須那麼依賴他
05/21 04:28, 53F

05/21 04:29, , 54F
而不是別人要買他就去噓對方吧
05/21 04:29, 54F

05/21 05:45, , 55F
我是覺得p大沒必要對帽大的假設生氣= =
05/21 05:45, 55F

05/21 05:47, , 56F
其實托雷斯離開後說過 利記送走了貝帥又留不住馬斯切拉諾
05/21 05:47, 56F

05/21 05:48, , 57F
讓他對管理層失去信心
05/21 05:48, 57F

05/21 05:50, , 58F
現在只恨他留下來的50M球會應該更有效的運用...
05/21 05:50, 58F

05/21 08:03, , 59F
2010世界盃和本賽季歐冠 拖雷斯一整個跑龍套~
05/21 08:03, 59F

05/21 09:51, , 60F
看著他80+才上來...跑龍套 心裡好複雜 不過看看我們...
05/21 09:51, 60F

05/21 09:54, , 61F
看板:Liverpool
05/21 09:54, 61F

05/21 11:45, , 62F
卡佩羅來 球風無聊有冠軍也不錯 現在球風亂七八糟成績又爛
05/21 11:45, 62F

05/21 12:01, , 63F
好像現在de Boer成為下任主帥的可能性也增加了
05/21 12:01, 63F

05/21 12:17, , 64F
不曉得卡佩羅會不會想來紅軍 不過他年紀比國王還長耶
05/21 12:17, 64F

05/21 12:17, , 65F
這樣FSG請他應該會有疑慮吧
05/21 12:17, 65F

05/21 12:21, , 66F
卡佩羅的特色︰重視防守,偏好用身高力量較突出的球員,
05/21 12:21, 66F

05/21 12:23, , 67F
通常下半季戰績都沒上半季好(07年的皇馬算是特例);喜歡
05/21 12:23, 67F

05/21 12:24, , 68F
故意拿大牌球員開刀來樹立威信(羅馬時期的montella,尤文
05/21 12:24, 68F

05/21 12:25, , 69F
時期的Piero,皇馬時期的Beckham),不過以結果論來說被他
05/21 12:25, 69F

05/21 12:26, , 70F
整過的大牌卻也都成為了他奪冠的重要幫手w
05/21 12:26, 70F

05/21 14:28, , 71F
所以是很打臉的教練XD
05/21 14:28, 71F

05/21 15:14, , 72F
巴寶:如果de Boer當教練 利物浦很快就可以拿下聯賽冠軍囉
05/21 15:14, 72F

05/21 15:30, , 73F
巴寶真的是一刻不得閒XD 讓我想到當初唐寧接了19號
05/21 15:30, 73F

05/21 15:31, , 74F
他就在那邊酸 嘖嘖 自己也要好好踢阿 別再推特戰士了
05/21 15:31, 74F

05/21 15:33, , 75F
19號有詛咒 拿過的現在都很衰(?)
05/21 15:33, 75F

05/21 15:42, , 76F
有版友對de boer了解可介紹一下嗎?
05/21 15:42, 76F

05/21 15:50, , 77F
Ajax主帥 不過不用瞭解了 他也拒絕我們了Ive only just
05/21 15:50, 77F

05/21 15:51, , 78F
started at ajax im flattered by the offer but I stay
05/21 15:51, 78F

05/21 15:51, , 79F
loyal to Ajax
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05/21 17:06, , 80F
卡配羅最會打自己臉 冰誰 到最後都要求誰幫他
05/21 17:06, 80F

05/21 19:11, , 81F
某種意義上講這也是一種反向激勵法啊XD
05/21 19:11, 81F

05/21 22:23, , 82F
de Boer不可能來的XD
05/21 22:23, 82F

05/22 14:09, , 83F
我很好奇 聯誼 這點,沒有默契倒像是沒交流的情形
05/22 14:09, 83F
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