[分享] MLB 10大最難打的球

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youtube看到的,跟大家分享(應該有板友已經看過了) 但目前只能找到八個,剩下兩個不知道是誰 -- MLB 10大最難打的球 Hoffman - ChangeUp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVvnTCx0s
-- MLB 10大最難打的球 Billy Wagner - 超快速球 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFM48QzXHCM
-- MLB 10大最難打的球 NOMO Forkball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVgJvy74ras
-- MLB 10大最難打的球 Eyre - Curveball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-0GAo5ZTU0
-- MLB 10大最難打的球 王建民 - 伸卡球 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvxYOMSg0Cg
-- MLB 10大最難打的球 Clemens SFF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRXdfBfSQxI
-- MLB 10大最難打的球 Rivera - 卡特球 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv3jLYHvX6o
-- MLB 10大最難打的球 Herandez - ChangeUp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Tdk_x4W0Y
-- 另外,附上ESPN認為的十大魔球: 1) Mariano Rivera's cut fastball: A few years ago, when Rivera was unquestionably in his prime, this was arguably the Toughest Pitch in Baseball. Rivera broke more bats with this than any pitcher in the game. Now, Rivera is older and there are more clicks on his pitching odometer. But still, this is a dominant pitch thrown by a dominant closer. "It's such a hard pitch to recognize,'' says Jim Kaat, former pitcher and current Yankees broadcaster. "Left-handed hitters know it's coming and it still doesn't help. If you cheat and try to get out front, you pull it. And if you wait on it, it ties you up inside. It's just the perfect pitch.'' 2) Kerry Wood's curveball: Like Nolan Ryan, the Texas gunslinger whom Wood emulates, the combination of a 95-mph fastball and a hard-breaking curveball presents a lethal combination. Not many pitchers throw an over-the-top curve anymore, as the slider has become the breaking pitch of preference. But Wood not only has the 12-to-6 break, he also throws it nearly as hard as some lesser pitchers throw their fastball. "That hard, sharp break is filthy,'' says one major league manager. 3) John Smoltz' slider: When Smoltz was a starter, he varied his repertoire more, pacing himself for a 100-pitch outing. Now that he operates exclusively out of the bullpen as Atlanta's closer, he doesn't have to pace himself or worry about overexposing his signature pitch. If Smoltz is in the game, it means the opponents are trailing. Thanks to this wicked slider, which darts across the strike zone, it's doubtful the Braves' lead is going to be squandered. Eric Gagne sets up hitters with hard stuff before using his changeup to sit them down. 4) Eric Gagne's changeup: Like fellow All-Star closers Keith Foulke and Trevor Hoffman, Gagne's best pitch is this off-speed choice which can upset a hitter's timing. Unlike Foulke and Hoffman, Gagne has a fastball that tops out in the mid- to high-90s, and the contrast between the two makes each that much more effective. "It really is the old 'Bugs Bunny' change,'' says an advance scout. "You can swing at it three times and still not hit it.'' 5) Roger Clemens' split-finger fastball: A few years ago, in a postseason interview session, Clemens famously -- and comically -- referred to "Mr. Splittee,'' his nickname for his devastating, darting fastball. Catching up with Clemens' four-seamer is a challenge in and of itself. But when he mixes in this, often in the dirt, hitters can look awfully foolish as they go fishing. "The guy's a physical marvel,'' one baseball executive says. "He may have lost a little velocity on his hard stuff, but not much.'' 6) Tim Wakefield's knuckleball: When Wakefield's signature pitch flattens, it's an inviting target and easier to hit than a batting practice fastball. Just ask Aaron Boone. But when the conditions are right and the knuckler is moving, there's no more confounding pitch in the game. Go ahead -- try to hit a butterfly with your bat. The knuckler has all but disappeared from the game -- Steve Sparks still mixes one in and Mike Mussina toys with a knuckle-curve -- meaning hitters only to get see it a few times per season. For many, that's plenty. 7) Billy Wagner's four-seam fastball: This pitch defies the laws of physics. Actually, Wagner defies the laws of physics. "You see him,'' says Red Sox GM Theo Epstein, "and you wonder: how does that pitch come from that body.'' Wagner's listed height and weight -- 5-foot-11, 195 pounds -- seems preposterous. He seems an inch or two shorter and a good 20 pounds lighter than that. But somehow -- good genes, arm speed -- he delivers, often registering 100 mph on radar guns. Sure, velocity may be overrated. But not in this case. "No one ever gets comfortable against him,'' adds a scout. 8) Barry Zito's curveball: Zito's curveball is the perfect West Coast pitch, as it befits the hurler himself -- mellow and relaxed. While Wood's curveball is sharp and powerful, Zito's deuce is soft and gradual. It freezes hitters as it ever-so-gradually rolls from top to bottom, as if delivered to the plate on a cloud. 9) Kevin Brown's sinker: Brown is older now and has a variety of physical problems -- seven trips to the disabled list since 2000 -- have reduced his durability. But healthy, as he seems to be this season for the Yankees, he still has this devastating power sinker. Try as they might to lay off it, hitters can't help but pound the ball into the ground, making for a busy night for his infielders, but a long, frustrating night for the opponent. "That thing is so heavy and explosive -- it's like lead,'' marvels one GM. 10) Jim Mecir's screwball: The screw ball is something of a baseball dinosaur, nearing extinction on the mound. Fernando Valenzuela's signature pitch in the 1980s, it's slowly disappeared in the last decade. Only a handful of pitchers -- including John Franco -- throw it with any degree of regularity. Though right-handed, Mecir's scroogie has almost turned him into a situational lefty since the pitch eats up left-handed hitters. Unfortunately for Mecir, right-handed hitters don't have nearly as much trouble with it. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.94.113 ※ 編輯: steal 來自: 140.112.94.113 (11/20 15:30)

11/20 15:34, , 1F
王葛格的伸卡友這麼厲害?!
11/20 15:34, 1F

11/20 15:37, , 2F
Kevin Brown的sinker強多了吧 = =
11/20 15:37, 2F

11/20 15:38, , 3F
王葛格的伸卡球?? 哈哈我笑了~ 這種報導真的會誤導新手球迷
11/20 15:38, 3F

11/20 15:40, , 4F
王威的時候是蠻威的 不過他的伸卡不夠格跟上面的討論
11/20 15:40, 4F

11/20 15:41, , 5F
速度快 變化幅度又不小
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11/20 15:41, , 6F
老王全盛期的伸卡的確有接近KB等級啦 不然其他球種那麼爛
11/20 15:41, 6F

11/20 15:41, , 7F
在美東早就掛定了
11/20 15:41, 7F

11/20 15:47, , 8F
好懷念日米交流賽
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11/20 15:48, , 9F
能靠一種球種拿19勝,還是在美聯東區,真的滿強的
11/20 15:48, 9F

11/20 15:50, , 10F
【超級喜歡Billy Wagner】
11/20 15:50, 10F

11/20 15:51, , 11F
怎麼都沒有提到SANTANA的變速?
11/20 15:51, 11F

11/20 15:52, , 12F
這是原YT主自己上傳定義的吧。
11/20 15:52, 12F

11/20 15:53, , 13F
Martinez的變速跟曲球還有2seamer都很屌啊
11/20 15:53, 13F

11/20 15:53, , 14F
johnson的滑球?
11/20 15:53, 14F

11/20 15:55, , 15F
王建民全盛時期伸卡很猛好不?= =
11/20 15:55, 15F

11/20 15:57, , 16F
Eyre是誰? 很強嗎?
11/20 15:57, 16F

11/20 15:57, , 17F
猛歸猛但要看是放在哪裡比啊 就像ACE跟CYA也是有差的
11/20 15:57, 17F

11/20 16:01, , 18F
王葛葛全盛期伸卡球本來就極品 有啥好懷疑的.....
11/20 16:01, 18F

11/20 16:08, , 19F
沒人說王不好 不過KB應該更好
11/20 16:08, 19F

11/20 16:08, , 20F
Great 和 Top one of Sinker.. 應該還是有差吧.....
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11/20 16:09, , 21F
純噓某樓
11/20 16:09, 21F

11/20 16:09, , 22F
只講球種不談投手的話王或許有 但這種幾大的很容易就吵起來
11/20 16:09, 22F

11/20 16:12, , 23F
王整場只投伸卡你還打不好,應該排第一名難打
11/20 16:12, 23F

11/20 16:13, , 24F
例如Schilling Maddux Mussina 這幾個要怎麼排
11/20 16:13, 24F

11/20 16:13, , 25F
現在想想王葛格真的蠻屌的!! 在美東火藥庫連兩年19勝
11/20 16:13, 25F

11/20 16:16, , 26F
KB:"Yeah, right"
11/20 16:16, 26F

11/20 16:17, , 27F
而且只靠一顆伸卡的先發在美東存活,有人像他一樣嗎?
11/20 16:17, 27F

11/20 16:25, , 28F
......KB基本上也可以只丟sinker丟滿整場。
11/20 16:25, 28F

11/20 16:25, , 29F
MOOSE的呢?
11/20 16:25, 29F

11/20 16:27, , 30F
美東火藥庫 王本身就在最大的火藥庫當投手..
11/20 16:27, 30F

11/20 16:31, , 31F
PEDRO的變速球勒?
11/20 16:31, 31F

11/20 16:46, , 32F
老實說 Randy Pedro Schilling Maddux Mussina
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11/20 16:47, , 33F
Santana Felix都沒排進去 這評比笑笑就好
11/20 16:47, 33F

11/20 16:48, , 34F
這表太多救援了...
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11/20 16:57, , 35F
RJ的滑球一定是史上最難打前三名吧 又快又犀利
11/20 16:57, 35F

11/20 16:57, , 36F
這表大概就MO的無疑問可以排進最難打前10吧
11/20 16:57, 36F

11/20 16:57, , 37F
沒有RJ的滑球0.0???
11/20 16:57, 37F

11/20 16:59, , 38F
Zito的曲球也沒問題 他拿賽揚時的曲球像從大峽谷掉下來的
11/20 16:59, 38F

11/20 17:02, , 39F
RJ 滑球跟直球 都很猛
11/20 17:02, 39F

11/20 17:03, , 40F
這裡是在比從投手丘投來的 RJ那從一壘來的不算 (大誤
11/20 17:03, 40F

11/20 17:04, , 41F
王的伸卡的確很強 但和KB比起來 恐怕還是有一點差距吧 至
11/20 17:04, 41F

11/20 17:05, , 42F
於美東火藥庫的連續兩年19勝 基本上他在洋基就已經是一大
11/20 17:05, 42F

11/20 17:06, , 43F
利多 避開大聯盟火力最強之一 而且還可以做後盾
11/20 17:06, 43F

11/20 17:06, , 44F
記得07年Eric Bedard的曲球非常變態
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11/20 17:44, , 45F
我懂了,他是把RJ跟pedro這型的排在十大打不到的球。
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11/20 17:45, , 47F
KB sinker
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11/20 17:47, , 48F
來這個版看看影片分享就好了,推文看了浪費時間
11/20 17:47, 48F

11/20 18:05, , 49F
這種東西 等王退休在來緬懷就好了
11/20 18:05, 49F

11/20 18:06, , 50F
現在王要面對的是新球季 新挑戰 和新的自己
11/20 18:06, 50F

11/20 18:31, , 51F
近幾年洋基能連兩年19勝的投手,除了CC也只有王了吧..
11/20 18:31, 51F

11/20 18:31, , 52F
RJ的滑球算火星裡最難打的球路
11/20 18:31, 52F

11/20 18:35, , 53F
查了一下王在美東成績,除了06對藍鳥光芒外,其他都普普
11/20 18:35, 53F

11/20 18:37, , 54F
要講伸卡球 Kevin Brown比王建民有代表性多了...
11/20 18:37, 54F

11/20 18:39, , 55F
06對紅襪金鶯,07對金鶯藍鳥都很慘,一點説服力都沒有
11/20 18:39, 55F

11/20 18:45, , 56F
KB拿超過200勝,在台灣球迷眼裡比不上王葛葛
11/20 18:45, 56F

11/20 19:00, , 57F
王的伸卡絕對超難打,不然其他變化球鳥成那樣
11/20 19:00, 57F

11/20 19:00, , 58F
伸卡不夠威在美東早就被炸到NYY不想要了
11/20 19:00, 58F

11/20 19:03, , 59F
XDDDDD 樓上明褒暗貶
11/20 19:03, 59F

11/20 19:25, , 60F
沒有RJ的滑球?
11/20 19:25, 60F

11/20 19:46, , 61F
RJ的滑球是屬於打不到的類型
11/20 19:46, 61F

11/20 20:16, , 62F
樓上XD
11/20 20:16, 62F

11/20 20:30, , 63F
Wang 的伸卡很難打沒錯, 但是前10大, 就不予置評
11/20 20:30, 63F

11/20 20:35, , 64F
恩 王建民~ 儘管難打 但排前十......
11/20 20:35, 64F

11/20 20:37, , 65F
怎麼沒有達比修的slurve?
11/20 20:37, 65F

11/20 20:40, , 66F
樓上ID不意外
11/20 20:40, 66F

11/20 20:43, , 67F
Wood那顆其實就是Slurve, 他後來因為一直丟到受傷就封印了
11/20 20:43, 67F

11/20 20:45, , 68F
美國派真難伺候 這篇里明明挺他本命建仔的也不少 還要來串
11/20 20:45, 68F

11/20 20:55, , 69F
批踢踢十大最爛反串可能比較好選
11/20 20:55, 69F

11/20 20:59, , 70F
反串到被大家當笑話看也滿可悲的
11/20 20:59, 70F

11/20 21:11, , 71F
真悲哀
11/20 21:11, 71F

11/20 21:13, , 72F
大概是現實生活太沒存在感只好來PTT當小白博取版面吧
11/20 21:13, 72F

11/20 21:17, , 73F
我覺得他最厲害的是 沒梗 也沒啥人被他釣中
11/20 21:17, 73F

11/20 21:17, , 74F
但是卻可以推同樣的東西推不膩
11/20 21:17, 74F

11/20 21:18, , 75F
從開始玩這就沒啥人想理 現在有人理卻被當笑話拿出來看待才
11/20 21:18, 75F

11/20 21:19, , 76F
是悲哀
11/20 21:19, 76F

11/20 21:35, , 77F
美國派怎麼沒說井川慶的變速球呢?
11/20 21:35, 77F

11/20 21:36, , 78F
友王葛格應該也要來一下webb吧
11/20 21:36, 78F

11/20 21:56, , 79F
推幹爺~~
11/20 21:56, 79F

11/20 22:33, , 80F
王的伸卡很好打到啊~ 但飛不出去
11/20 22:33, 80F

11/20 22:40, , 81F
每次看最多對王的評論就是"19W還不是靠打線"XDDDDDDD
11/20 22:40, 81F

11/20 22:55, , 82F
竟然沒有神之右手???????
11/20 22:55, 82F

11/20 23:24, , 83F
拿來戰王其實很白濫
11/20 23:24, 83F

11/20 23:28, , 84F
打不到跟難打不一樣XDD 難怪RJ跟Pedro不在
11/20 23:28, 84F

11/20 23:42, , 85F
打不到不是放在這個等級的
11/20 23:42, 85F

11/21 00:45, , 86F
老王算強了啦~只是長一局爆~(最常聽到哎呀~手太早開掉)
11/21 00:45, 86F

11/21 02:49, , 87F
Zito轉去巨人後 曲球就從大峽谷變路邊水溝了...
11/21 02:49, 87F

11/21 05:25, , 88F
有王在裡頭..這篇真實性看看就好XD
11/21 05:25, 88F

11/21 10:54, , 89F
王全盛時期是"當年"的十大無誤
11/21 10:54, 89F

11/21 12:18, , 90F
ESPN這十大武器球是2004年版的,本版第45篇就是了
11/21 12:18, 90F

11/21 12:19, , 91F
會認為王排不進來~應該是因為其他人的都是必殺球種~打不到
11/21 12:19, 91F

11/21 12:21, , 92F
或望球興嘆的比例很高~相對王的伸卡是打的到但打不好
11/21 12:21, 92F

11/21 12:21, , 93F
等級上感覺是有落差的~
11/21 12:21, 93F

11/21 12:23, , 94F
至於這10大最難打的球,原文在王版267篇 是版友的熱情
11/21 12:23, 94F

11/21 12:23, , 95F
與期待啦~
11/21 12:23, 95F

11/21 12:33, , 96F
老王伸卡球K力不佳 感覺排不進來是正常
11/21 12:33, 96F

11/21 12:33, , 97F
但是真的很不好打吧XD
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11/21 17:20, , 98F
同推文 怎麼可能會沒有RJ的slider
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11/21 22:45, , 99F
可惜這是2004的野茂 已經不復全盛時期的風采
11/21 22:45, 99F
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