Re: [情報] Winning Bid For Hyun-Jin Ryu Is $25.7M

看板MLB (美國職棒/大聯盟)作者 (ㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎ)時間13年前 (2012/11/12 04:48), 編輯推噓30(32275)
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09年舊文 Baseball America 的 WBC Top 10 Prospects 1. Yu Darvish 2. Aroldis Chapman 3. Hisashi Iwakuma 4. Masahiro Tanaka 5. Hyun-Jin Ryu, lhp, Korea When scouts see Ryu's portly frame, his goofiness and his knack for rising to the occasion, it's not hard to see why he's compared to David Wells. In South Korea, Ryu became the first player to be named the league's rookie of the year and MVP in the same season, as he went 18-6, 2.23 with 205 strikeouts in 202 innings in 2006, leading the league in wins, ERA and strikeouts. Ryu was the star as Korea surprised everyone to beat Cuba and win gold at the 2008 Olympics. He went 2-0, 1.04 in the tournament, including a masterful 8 1/3 innings in the gold-medal winning 3-2 win over Cuba. Ryu played a very important, but slightly subordinate role to Jung Keun Bong at the World Baseball Classic, as the more veteran lefthander was called on to face Japan on three separate occasions (going 2-1) on his way to a World Baseball Classic all-tournament team selection. But Ryu was impressive again at the WBC. He just turned 22, but he already pitches like a veteran. Ryu has four average to above-average pitches includes a 86-93 mph fastball with late life that he can add and subtract from when needed, a slow curve (75 mph), a tighter slider and a changeup. Already extensively tested in international play, Ryu's biggest asset is his feel for pitching.Scouts have said that he would be a first-round pick if hewas in the U.S.and would likely need only a brief period of acclimationbefore stepping into a big league rotation. 6. Yoennis Cespedes 7. Norichika Aoki 8. Yulieski Gourriel 9. Kwang-Hyun Kim 10. Hiroyuki Nakajima 4年前就被認為有四種MLB平均到平均以上的球種 4年後沒什麼理由去懷疑他的實力 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.42.115.52 ※ 編輯: TsukimiyaAyu 來自: 114.42.115.52 (11/12 04:49)

11/12 06:59, , 1F
4是誰
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田中將大
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11/12 07:12, , 3F
四年前的A-rod跟四年後的A-rod... 我懷疑
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11/12 07:43, , 4F
提A-ROD幹嘛= =
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11/12 08:21, , 5F
金廣炫有點可惜~
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11/12 08:52, , 6F
田中蠻怕他會給豆漿操壞的
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11/12 09:51, , 7F
噓三樓 這種東西A-rod也能出來救援 什麼跟什麼
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一直希望看到8打MLB~但他都不叛逃XD
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11/12 10:00, , 9F
建議去看井川慶的球探報告,也是寫他可類比Mark Burhrle和
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11/12 10:00, , 10F
Jorrod Washburn,直球以上90MPH,事實上他被北佬冷度凍到
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11/12 10:01, , 11F
SWB隊時,有球迷去看他比賽,直球還有92MPH。當初球探報告
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寫他有很好的breaking ball,變速球能夠解決打者,且有
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Soild的滑球,是個很敢進攻打者很球帶的打者,雖然command
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11/12 10:03, , 14F
不是非常好到像制球機器,卻很少有BB。這樣去美職都爆掉了
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11/12 10:06, , 15F
關AROD闢室
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11/12 10:14, , 16F
大家要原諒看不懂英文的人,不然怎麼會提到A-Rod
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11/12 10:25, , 17F
很多時候決策的好壞是看當下
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11/12 10:27, , 18F
井川ML就是控球問題很大誰能預料的到
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11/12 12:05, , 19F
去暴掉了,然後呢?你有看到他暴的原因嗎?
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11/12 12:06, , 20F
過勞→積傷→帶傷→控球爆炸
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11/12 12:20, , 21F
有,我看過美國球評說過是他的投球機制出問題,說井川在投
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球時用到大部份腿的力量,而不是手臂力量,但是到美國後明
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11/12 12:21, , 23F
顯有腿跨出去後出力後,手臂速度跟不上腿跨出去的問題。這
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個代表投球姿勢需要修正了。但是很顯然是他當初是用高額入
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11/12 12:22, , 25F
札金競標來的,沒發揮即戰力後就被放棄,也沒被修正調整
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11/12 12:23, , 27F
what-is-wrong-with-kei-igawa/<==這有他問題的討論。
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11/12 12:56, , 28F
啊就回去不啦 連當三A王都不夠格 不然勒
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11/12 13:12, , 29F
是阿,然後你前面扯一堆他怎樣怎樣武器不夠格
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11/12 13:12, , 30F
結果投不下去的原因根本不在這嘛
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11/12 13:13, , 31F
為啥這樣去美職會暴,難道他只有這些武器當年球探就
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11/12 13:14, , 32F
認為他不夠格,不夠格那幹麼還簽他?
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11/12 13:15, , 33F
腿傷比手傷更麻煩,這東西或許體檢的時候也看不出來
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11/12 13:17, , 34F
或許看得出來也無法預料會是大麻煩,賭錯賭對都不能
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11/12 13:17, , 35F
說這些武器同樣套在RYU上面就不夠格好嗎~_~
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11/12 14:52, , 36F
可是的確日職的監督也是說橫向變化球是吃不了美職打,落和
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11/12 14:53, , 37F
可是這麼說的。你看NPB去MLB投得起來的是不是決勝球種是縱
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向的變化球?還有我沒看到那篇scouting report有說井川有腳
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傷吧?!川上和井川都吃不開,根據落和說法是他們的決勝球種
11/12 14:54, 39F
還有 30 則推文
11/12 22:52, , 70F
10-4 或2-8的 水平移動的大概只有較平肩放球的
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11/12 22:55, , 71F
你說的多半沒啥問題 不過有點過度武斷
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11/12 22:56, , 72F
OK球在進本壘板前會往內角或外角下墜
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不像チェンジアップ那樣是完全垂直的變化
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所以OK球下落的變化量還要略高於チェンジアップ
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11/12 22:57, , 75F
但注意到了嗎 往內角、外角下墜=/=不會有垂直位移
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而是比較不典型的垂直位移 簡單來說就跟一般變速不同
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11/12 22:58, , 77F
你說那句話是杉下茂說的 他的說法當然沒有什麼問題
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差別就在於 井川不是沒有垂直位移的球路
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只不過 就不是掉的那樣垂直而已 :~
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當然我也不知道是不是一定都這樣(沒垂直會丟差
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11/12 23:00, , 81F
只不過 真的沒到那麼武斷啦 XD
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P.S.部分引用自網路資源
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11/13 06:45, , 83F
有沒有只有日本人需要靠縱向變速球活的八卦?難道這就是
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松坂所謂的身體構造不同嗎?
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11/13 07:51, , 85F
當別人拿出他的立論來討論 只會在那八卦 這就是酸民 哈!
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只有自己的看法能是看法 嘖嘖嘖
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11/13 08:15, , 87F
一場KBO都沒看過也能說好球帶很大也能叫做看法嗎
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其實講什麼日本只能靠縱向球路生存是會被齋藤大叔或
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黑田這兩個滑球強者給打臉的
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黑田的決勝球種和最能解決打者的球種是指叉球,無論在美職
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11/13 11:39, , 91F
或日職都是這樣子的。至於齋藤隆因會是當牛棚選手,牛棚選
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手一般two pitch且直球球速能維持住在短局數靠一種變化球就
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能壓制打者。當然不是說齋藤要去先發就會爆,畢竟他還會投
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切球與曲球,只是他滑球投最好。我另外想到一位就是佐佐木
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主浩,在美職水手當CL成績也不錯,他的決勝球種也是指叉球
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http://tinyurl.com/b3luvdx 英文不好 30%那個SL%是?
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一下又說牛棚靠一種球種就可以 然後在舉日本人沒有縱
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向變化球的時候又拿一個CL當例子.......
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^就不行
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等著打你臉就好啦 哈!
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11/13 12:36, , 101F
這麼武斷說我沒看過KBO 這點就打死你囉 哈 真是高手
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11/13 12:58, , 102F
y大要不發一篇文? 大家一起來探討探討 文快被洗上去了
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11/13 18:14, , 103F
但是SF的value比較高耶
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11/13 20:04, , 104F
value其實是個很有趣的數據
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比方說啦 有個投手先用兩個70分的FB搶下兩個好球後
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再用一個55分的curve讓打者揮空
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這樣的模式 curve的value會比較高 但是問題是沒前兩個
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FB 第三個curve不一定能達到同樣效果
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11/02 07:52, , 109F
井川是因為美國卡通電玩 https://muxiv.com
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