Re: [情報] Rodri簽約曼城~~5年! (終於來了)

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https://tinyurl.com/y59nj8px ================================= Man City finally get their man - from Fred, Jorginho & De Jong to "new Busquets" Rodri Sam Lee ================================= The Premier League champions have not had it all their own way in their pursuit of a Fernandinho replacement but have now landed a priority target Manchester City have finally got their man. Well, not the man they were hoping to sign 18 months ago, nor the one 12 months ago, nor the one six months ago, but in Rodri they have finally signed a deep-lying midfielder who ticks the boxes necessary to play in a Pep Guardiola team. There have been a few of those in the past couple of years, and not just the ones City made firm attempts to buy. (不負責大意亂翻): 18個月前Rodri並不是曼城最先要找的Fernandinho接班人~ 12個月前也不是~ 甚至6個月前也不是~~ Rodri has long been tipped as the heir to Sergio Busquets. Given it was Guardiola who promoted Busquets to the Barcelona first team and launched his top-level career, it is easy to imagine his successor slotting seamlessly into this City project. The 23-year-old has proven himself adept at the defensive side of the game, partially thanks to playing for Diego Simeone's Atletico Madrid, while his short, fast passing with both feet will help City build attacks efficiently – although perhaps the range of passing has not been used to its full potential in Simeone's safety-first approach. But it is inevitable that City have struggled to find somebody with the exact qualities that make them ready to compete with and eventually replace Fernandinho – and not just because of setbacks in the transfer market. The Brazilian has blossomed into something of a unique midfielder, one who is as capable of playing Guardiola-beloved passes as he is of making tackles and interceptions – and, for good measure, winning headers. In the past two years, City have watched and approached several midielders who they believed ticked some of those boxes and could be coached to tick the rest. 亂七八糟大意: 1.Busquets過去是Pep提拔且愛用的防中/墮後中場而Rodri在風格上有那麼一些像Busquets (但Rodri覺得自己更像Fernandinho 這點我同意因為他在馬競有打出凶狠俐落的防守 ---這是Fernandinho在曼城這麼珍貴的要素之一) (他要是預判也能修練到Fernan那麼好~~ 就真的太超值了) 2. Fernandinho在曼城是很特殊的(攻守關鍵我就不多說了) 所以曼城過去幾年找他的接班人找得很頭痛很正常 They tried to sign Fred from Shakhtar Donetsk in January 2018 after identifying some of the qualities they were looking for; specifically, his eye for a pass (especially long-range), his physicality and his energetic approach. In Ukraine, he tended to make more bursts forward than would have been expected at the Etihad Stadium, but that was something that City planned to change. In the end, that didn't matter, because Manchester United came onto the scene and City started to look elsewhere. In the event, while Fred did not show an awful lot in his first season at Old Trafford, he was used in more of a reserved role, hinting at the kind of role City would have asked of him. 曼城起先想找Fred (這個大家都知道~~當初可是大家期待了不少了呢 XDD) (我個人認為主因是 1. 他和Ferna一樣都是Donetsk礦工養出來打出名號的會這麼期望他自然有希望他拷貝前輩的足跡的想法 2. 他的體能不錯;當時在礦工擔任很活躍的角色傳球能力當時也表現很出色實際上曼城剛好在歐冠小組分到和礦工同一組簡直就是現場驗貨 XDD 當時對Fred的小小疑慮就是防守是不是也能在曼城練到像Fernan一樣? 事後發現他跑去曼聯真是一件好事 XDD 因為他的防守觀念其實不夠好(先不講身體素質,就光說腦子裡裝的意識) 而強項攻擊和輸送在曼聯也沒踢出來~~~ 這筆交易當初被Mourinho攔掉我可是相當不爽, 因為我覺得Fernandinho的輪換者對曼城歐冠和聯賽雙線影響很巨大; 結果現在我看到Fred在曼聯都想笑出來 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD (不過認真說我覺得說不定Solskjaer會找到Fred的使用說明書也許下一季他就翻身了也說不定~) City quickly moved on, and while they had a close look at Lyon's Tanguy Nmdobele – still a relative unknown at the time – they made a serious bid to get Jorginho. Much like with Rodri, they had pretty much planned for his arrival as early as April 2018. They loved how the Italian was the playmaker in Maurizio Sarri's team, which twice gave City a tough time in the Champions League during 2017-18, and believed he would take them on to the next level, particularly in the Champions League. Jorginho is not a physical defensive midfielder like Fred or Fernandinho, but his strengths – chiefly the organisation of his team-mates and his ability to spot and execute a wide range of passes – convinced Guardiola that he would be an ideal fit. While Fernandinho is always on hand to put out fires, the idea was that Jorginho's organisation would mean fewer fires to be put out in the first place. They also believed Jorginho would be good enough in the air to play at the back of midfield, despite his relatively short height, but that suddenly all became irrelevant – along with his verbal agreement with City, his desire to play for Guardiola and the fact Napoli even agreed to a transfer fee. In mid-July, the Serie A side refused to sanction a move, insisting instead that he go to Chelsea as part of the compensation package that took Sarri to Stamford Bridge. Had City met Napoli's demands in May or June, the Sarri factor would not have come into play, but they had decided on their valuation and stuck to it, opening the door for rival bids, as has happened previously. 好了, 接下來就是曼城想找Jorginho (這個也讓大家當時期待很多~~~) (為什麼? 其實最近幾年各位可以發現曼城喜歡現場驗貨找球員 XDD 像目前陣中的靈魂人物Bernarndo Silva就是歐冠驗貨發現是超級真貨所以趕快盤過來 XDD 同樣是Monaco隊友的Mendy 題外話,Mendy的進攻屬性是有打出來,缺陷是玻璃太嚴重所以這不能怪高層這個和假如曼城誤買了Fred應該是不同性質的問題) Jorginho當時在拿坡里確實讓曼城在歐冠踢得辛苦 (贏得不輕鬆,我還記得Kun在客場達成曼城射手王生涯成就~~~) 其實想買Jorginho不能說錯現場驗貨當然有現場的魅力和體驗 XDD (至少買家會覺得買到水貨機率降低) 但我發現主要是聯賽的速度問題----英超實在節奏太快了容不得Jorginho思考出球這也是我上一季發現Jorginho在CHELSEA的問題-- 一旦被英超瘋狗流逼搶伺候,他優秀的出球能力就打了折扣 (其實事後馬後炮來看Jorginho應該要選擇來曼城對他才最好~~ 因為曼城全隊的進攻站位/走位被Guardiola操到一種獨步英超其他球隊的體系運轉, 這可以減低Jorginho出球上的壓力, 總的來說,他當初沒選曼城, 就失去了一個最適合他的英超球隊的機會 (文章中提到這是要彌補Sarri轉投Chelsea的補償: 但我覺得如果球員堅持一點其實可以克服的) 此時如果單單來看, 曼城錯過Jorginho也有點可惜~ 但他也不是Fernandinho那類的中場, 嚴格來說萬一後防失火出包他的救火作用沒有Ferna那麼大~~~ (Sam Lee的看法是他出球能力更棒,所以曼城會更少後防失火我不這麼認為(我同意他說的Jorginho出球比Ferna還優秀~ 但曼城後防出包某種程度就是體系的特色問題---- 當你踢傳控你就是要冒這個風險: 所以才簽了Walker和對手比賽跑攔截才希望有新鮮的肉體延續Ferna過去屢屢回追禁區救險的任務才要全隊在丟球之後立刻壓迫反搶或是用犯規馬上中斷對手反擊機會) 現在才比較發現Ferna在曼城的出球處理節奏真的是被淬鍊出來 XDD (很多好的處理看起來想都沒有想是因為長期的浸潤適應) That left City empty-handed and under-prepared. Despite red-herring links to Mateo Kovacic and Mario Lemina, they had no real Plan B in place. Ndombele was looked at again, as was Wolves' Ruben Neves, but neither were obtainable. 這幾個目標我都有印象 XDDD Ndombele傳了也一陣子而且又是現場驗貨 XDD 因為曼城在隔年的歐冠小組和Lyon同一組 Enter Frenkie De Jong. The Dutchman had been on the radar of essentially every top club in Europe for a long time, but City really ramped up their efforts to sign him last autumn. At this point, it became hard to ascertain exactly what City wanted from their Fernandinho heir. Did they want a defensive player they could teach to pass or a passer they could teach to defend? When Guardiola first arrived back in 2016 he kept an eye on Julian Weigl, but soon realised that he was not physical enough to do what Fernandinho does. And, at the start of the season, Ilkay Gundogan did not look entirely comfortable with the dirty side of the game, either, so physicality was on the agenda when it came to new players. And while De Jong is more of a Jorginho or a Neves than a Fred or Ndombele, the 22-year-old was deemed so good, such a generational talent, that City were willing to sign him anyway. They imagined his willingness to receive the ball on the edge of the box, turn and either pass or dribble the ball up the pitch. They loved how, despite his stature, he always seemed to be in the right place to win the ball back. For a while, City thought they had him. In fact, officials at Barcelona felt the advances made by Blues sporting director Txiki Begiristain in September and October last year made it extremely difficult for any other club to get a look in. Extremely difficult, but not impossible. After De Jong started to deliberate, Barcelona eventually made a major push of their own, sending a delegation to Amsterdam with the goal of persuading De Jong to make the move to Camp Nou. As well as the lure of playing with Lionel Messi, they offered an after-tax salary, including bonuses, of over €300,000 per week, plus €5m to the agent, for his services. 這裡一路提到了AJAX的小將de Jong~~ 作者Sam Lee提出了一個很有趣但我覺得非常關鍵的問題: ==================================================== 當曼城尋找Fernandinho的接班人時他們到底想要的是一個防守很好的進攻者, 還是進攻能力很棒的防守中場? ==================================================== 這個看起來是吹毛求疵的問題其實反映裡面的建構哲學特別曼城的體系又那麼與眾不同 (我個人的想法從Rodri身上我發覺是: "進攻能力很棒的防守中場" 由於曼城體系的種種(細節請參之前"Guardiola式曼城如何稱霸英格蘭"一系列文章) 墮後中場這個位置變成是曼城的攻守樞紐,重中之重必須要用閱讀比賽能力最棒的那一等級的球員來作出反應 (Busquets就是這一點出色) 所以他的思考還是要是防守中場---不是要你用身體肉搏去回應英超肌肉流而是要你用頭腦然後在場上很機敏的作決定: 你要做什麼讓曼城這台進攻機器在防守上威脅降到最低? 然後後場出球的時後,你和兩個中衛,兩個邊後衛,還有門將Ederson 要怎麼一起合作把球送到前場?) (所以我這裡提前下結論(我自己的版本) 曼城在尋找Ferna接班人的過程也沒有很清楚到底要的是進攻好的DMF 還是防守好的CMF/AMF(passer) 只是用目標導向來想:要有Pep想要的出球能力同時要擔任攻防樞紐現在回想以攻守平衡來看Rodri才是平衡的選擇 (運氣不錯在這裡 XD) 18-19聯賽在Ferna受傷的時後用Gundogan頂沒被爆很關鍵的一點是 Bernarndo實在他媽的太認真給力在跑在幫忙防守~~ 這不能是常態!!!!) 而我認為F. de Jong是一個很聰明, "防守很好的傳球/進攻者" 所以他選擇去巴薩我也覺得除了巴薩肯給那麼誠意的待遇他的選擇非常合理~~~!!!! (他去只要先防守"分擔"Busquets而不是馬上取代Busquets, 相反的他的活力也能補充年紀逐漸大的Rakitic) 文章也有提到曼城非常靠近簽下de Jong (其實de Jong也很適合曼城, 至少他比Gudogan硬,比Jorginho對抗性更強! 一路看下來 de Jong這個選擇可能是最合理的(先不談Rodri,因為這時候還沒想到他)) That left City shocked and Guardiola annoyed. After three near misses in the space of a year, the pressure ramped up on Begiristain, who had to go back to the market yet again and find somebody who not only ticked enough boxes, but would be available for the kind of fee City wanted to spend. For all of their money, their club record fee is 'only' ￡60m. When it is put like that, it seems inevitable that Rodri was the man they turned to. Begiristain was encouraged just as much by the midfielder's afforable release clause as his defensive contribution, height and improvable passing ability, and the usual approaches were made to ascertain whether he would want to join. A long-term admirer of Guardiola's Barca, that was never going to be too much of an issue. In April, a year on from when they put Jorginho's move in place, City had everything prepared to sign Rodri. One insider had said it was "very, very done". Alarm bells rang last month, then, when the player said he needed some time to think about his future. Suddenly, more red-herring City targets appeared, this time with the goal of hurrying Rodri into making the right decision. They were Ndombele and Marcos Llorente – handily, a former target and the man that Atleti themselves had lined up to replace Rodri. In truth, City would have been back to square one again, and they not only had to worry about Ateti's attempts to sign Rodri to a new contract but Bayern Munich's concrete interest; their sporting director, Hasan Salihamidzic, met the player's agent in Madrid in May. In the end, Rodri stuck to his original decision, perhaps aided by a phonecall from Guardiola at the start of June. In the following days, he informed Simeone that he had decided to leave, and that he would join City. With the release clause set in stone – just like Aymeric Laporte's in 2018 – City could relax, to an extent. They allowed Rodri to enjoy his holiday, despite allowing Dani Alves to do so when he went back on his agreement and moved to Paris Saint-Germain, and triggered the clause when he returned. He may not be the kind of superstar signing that would help Puma, City's new sponsors, flog a million extra shirts across the globe, but he may just be one of the most important signings in this Guardiola era. City have done some of the hard work by bringing him to the club in the firstplace; now they have to ensure he ticks all the boxes. (全文完) (大意): 拜仁也差點也攔胡, 但最後Guardiola在六月給Rodri的一通電話也許奏效 (球員接到這種訊息會曉得自己想在旗下效力的主教練也會非常重視自己) 拜仁體育總監Salihamidzic和Rodri的經紀人碰面我一點不訝異 ---拜仁之前就用過優質的西班牙後腰Javi Martinez (和Rodri同樣也是1.9米以上的高大DMF) 總之, 最後總算Rodrigo Hernandez順利來了 Sam Lee也認為這很可能是Guardiola時代的曼城最重要的一筆簽約 (我覺得很有可能; 中軸Pep簽約5人眾請參閱之前我胡言亂語的文章 XDD 總之目前球隊看起來未來的中軸將會以Guardiola簽下的這5個球員 (Bernardo,Rodri,Laporte,Ederson,Jesus) 加上原先有的De Bruyne和Sterling為絕對主力 (以及未來之星Phil Foden) (Aguero,Ferna,David Silva都被我列為老將-無敵學長所以沒提到 XDD) (Sane還要再觀察一個球季吧...) (Mahrez,Stones,Walker也會是要角) 然後, 左後衛有Zinchenko和Angelino了 Mendy真的該振作了 XDD =============================== 這篇拉哩拉雜打完了然後不想看我廢話的可以參閱下一篇 XDDDDDDDDDDD 虎撲上有Sam Lee文章的大略中譯 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.228.108.180 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/ManCity/M.1562646819.A.A53.html