[外電] Carlisle's Offense Clarified

看板Mavericks (達拉斯 小牛)作者 (有梗的POP)時間15年前 (2010/11/25 16:53), 編輯推噓38(38061)
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17868 A number of Dallas Mavericks fans are having a hard time connecting the dots this season. We hear team owner Mark Cuban and head coach Rick Carlisle talk about how deep the team is, how they can compete with the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference, and how Tyson Chandler and Brendan Haywood combine to form the best front court tandem in the NBA. . . Then the team takes the court and none of that talk seems to ring true. They lose back-to-back home games to a non-playoff team (Memphis) that was missing their All-Star starting power forward (Zach Randolph) and a huge conference rival (Denver) that was missing their entire front court (Nene, Chris Andersen, Kenyon Martin). How do we make sense of the claims about how great this Dallas team can be in light of their repeated ineffectiveness on the court? Actually, Carlisle himself explained it pretty well as his team prepared to play the Boston Celtics on Monday night. "They've been a top defensive trade since the (Garnett) trade three or four years ago," said Carlisle. "They're extremely efficient offensively, which helps their defense. For us, I think it's key to be really efficient offensively, really efficient with the ball. The turnovers really hurt. They throw a wildcard into the mix and mess up your chances to be consistent defensively. We've got to bring those down and I'm confident that we will. That said, our game is a little different from their game. We need to get the ball up and down the floor a little more than they do, and that starts with getting stops on defense and then, when we kick it out we have to take care of it." This is something we hear and over from Carlisle, and while those of us who spend most of our time watching and analyzing the game of basketball understand it, casual fans may not. There are two key issues here: turnovers and half court sets. When the Mavericks commit turnovers, as they have been doing in wholesale club packs this season, they create easy baskets for their opponents. When they force turnovers, they create easy scoring opportunities for themselves. These two simple concepts are true for every team in the league, but unlike the elite teams, the Mavericks have a very hard time scoring when they aren't in a transition situation. If you watch Mavericks basketball you've seen this. When the Mavs are stopped and forced to run a half court set, they give the ball to Dirk Nowitzki and then stand around and wait for him to do some of that MVP stuff. They're a little bit spoiled in this sense, because Nowitzki is one of the best players on the planet. He is more than capable of creating something out of nothing. He did it on three straight plays against the Celtics, helping the Mavericks come up with a big come-from-behind win, but is that really a championship formula? Hardly. The Mavericks are a deep team, with very talented players. Nowitzki, Jason Terry, and Caron Butler are capable of putting up big numbers on the offensive end and Jason Kidd can still facilitate with the best of them. But when you slow the game down and force the Mavs into a half court set you can beat them. Part of that is a personnel issue, but the coaches have to shoulder their share of the blame. You have to be able to use your players and gear your game plan towards their strengths. Right now the Mavericks coach staff is struggling to do that, and that's why Mavs fans are finding a disconnect between the rhetoric coming out of the Mavs' front office and the results when the team takes the court. 小牛高層不斷宣稱自己是支很陣容很深的球隊 但是球隊表現出的樣子不像是如此 小牛最近幾場比賽輸給了不是季後賽的球隊 目前表現如此的原因歸咎於失誤和"半場進攻模式" 相信看小牛比賽的球迷都見過這景象 小牛控球把球帶過半場後丟給Dirk 然後剩下四個人就開始發呆準備看Dirk表演 Dirk可以從不可能中創造出得分機會 但是這樣真的是一個想爭奪冠軍的球隊嗎? 目前小牛的教練團對此相當苦惱 當你有一群有好球員時 球隊不該只是如此 終於有外電把運過半場把球給Dirk戰術拿出來討論了0.0.... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.42.94.144

11/25 16:59, , 1F
無限Dirk戰術...把球給Dirk就對了~
11/25 16:59, 1F

11/25 17:08, , 2F
乾脆把Dirk冰起來 看會死成怎樣XD
11/25 17:08, 2F

11/25 17:15, , 3F
反正我也不期待會有啥改變...= =
11/25 17:15, 3F

11/25 17:19, , 4F
雖然不樂見,但有效率就好,有時看到其他人空檔出來
11/25 17:19, 4F

11/25 17:20, , 5F
球也傳到了,卻還會看到籃外空心,這不是教練的錯
11/25 17:20, 5F

11/25 17:20, , 6F
雖然我也不知道教練做了什麼...XD不過最近Max有好轉
11/25 17:20, 6F

11/25 17:23, , 7F
這樣算是教練的功勞嗎...XD
11/25 17:23, 7F

11/25 18:08, , 8F
Dirk很值得信賴,但還是希望有人能夠穩定地分擔他的
11/25 18:08, 8F

11/25 18:09, , 9F
得分壓力,像小豪那樣就做得很棒Q.Q
11/25 18:09, 9F

11/25 18:14, , 10F
照這樣打下去,無限開火權的jjb會不會變成老二...XD
11/25 18:14, 10F

11/25 18:43, , 11F
好吧讓金塊有薪資空間CB+JJB+Mahinmi <-> 甜瓜
11/25 18:43, 11F

11/25 18:46, , 12F
有CB不至會完全沒火力 明年不續有空間 JJB防槍西要走
11/25 18:46, 12F

11/25 18:47, , 13F
在送一個大個防K罵不打..我們就拼今年囉
11/25 18:47, 13F

11/25 18:47, , 14F
只是..事情有這麼簡單就好囉
11/25 18:47, 14F

11/25 19:02, , 15F
其實Howard真的不錯 至少季後賽不會一直烙賽
11/25 19:02, 15F

11/25 19:31, , 16F
需要一個能突破分球的後衛
11/25 19:31, 16F

11/25 19:34, , 17F
每次都看到DIRK很威,刷數據,其他人就是懶洋洋
11/25 19:34, 17F

11/25 19:35, , 18F
又到了想念小哈跟小豪的時候嗎.....
11/25 19:35, 18F

11/25 19:49, , 19F
把球給基德 他可是大三元製造機 司機不在就靠他了
11/25 19:49, 19F

11/25 19:59, , 20F
Jones熱身賽一條龍,例行賽變成開特力防守員...
11/25 19:59, 20F

11/25 20:00, , 21F
雖然防守有進步 可是這進攻@@ CB快回神阿
11/25 20:00, 21F

11/25 20:05, , 22F
突破分球的兩年前被丟去紐澤西了
11/25 20:05, 22F

11/25 20:09, , 23F
阿不是有基德就好 懷念哈里斯幹嘛XD
11/25 20:09, 23F

11/25 20:10, , 24F
基德會組織進攻 也是三分射手耶!
11/25 20:10, 24F

11/25 20:33, , 25F
樓上無聊....
11/25 20:33, 25F

11/25 20:34, , 26F
Jonny大已經好幾篇這樣酸了...請問這樣做的必要性是?
11/25 20:34, 26F

11/25 20:35, , 27F
我只是就我認知的說出來 偶錯了嗎?!偶錯了嗎?!
11/25 20:35, 27F

11/25 20:36, , 28F
而且你從哪得知我是在酸?我也是基德迷阿!
11/25 20:36, 28F

11/25 20:43, , 29F
反串失敗 先爬文再來
11/25 20:43, 29F

11/25 21:38, , 30F
我聞到水桶的味道
11/25 21:38, 30F

11/25 22:03, , 31F
呵呵 哈哈 恩恩
11/25 22:03, 31F

11/25 22:38, , 32F
水桶味好重 誰散出來的!!
11/25 22:38, 32F

11/25 23:09, , 33F
突然發現我差點要被捅了..恐怖..繼續低調好了...
11/25 23:09, 33F

11/26 00:15, , 34F
到底DOJO是做了什麼事,為啥被冰成這樣...
11/26 00:15, 34F

11/26 00:21, , 35F
可能是比分近的比賽 卡帥比較不敢放新人吧~"~
11/26 00:21, 35F

11/26 04:13, , 36F
沒有球隊會把希望放在新人或二年級生@@..除非是前幾
11/26 04:13, 36F

11/26 04:13, , 37F
順位@@
11/26 04:13, 37F

11/26 04:29, , 38F
大概只有老尼的勇士才敢這樣操新人XD
11/26 04:29, 38F

11/26 05:03, , 39F
我覺得johnny說的是事實 運過半場就傳給明星不但省
11/26 05:03, 39F

11/26 05:04, , 40F
體力又可以刷助攻 現在Kidd打法跟拓荒時期的Blake差
11/26 05:04, 40F

11/26 05:05, , 41F
不多 差就差在名子叫Kidd 如果把名子蓋掉Kidd的表現
11/26 05:05, 41F

11/26 05:05, , 42F
一定一堆人鞭 但因為名子是Kidd 大家都會開始喊經驗
11/26 05:05, 42F

11/26 05:06, , 43F
還沒老之類 只是提出一個觀點 希望不要太敏感
11/26 05:06, 43F

11/26 05:24, , 44F
運過半場傳給明星,kidd從VC到籃網後就這麼幹了,他
11/26 05:24, 44F

11/26 05:26, , 45F
一直都不是很強的切入型控衛,但對球場空間的敏銳度
11/26 05:26, 45F

11/26 05:28, , 46F
傳球的精準度,這可不是Blake之流可比的上的
11/26 05:28, 46F

11/26 05:36, , 47F
樓上這樣說不就是小弟我說的喊喊經驗 Kidd這幾季都
11/26 05:36, 47F

11/26 05:36, , 48F
是運過半場就傳給明星 何來傳球精準 敏銳之有?
11/26 05:36, 48F

11/26 05:37, , 49F
現在問題就是Kidd這超級巨星打法像Blake之流但是因為
11/26 05:37, 49F

11/26 05:37, , 50F
他是巨星而沒人敢值疑他這種Blake之流打法
11/26 05:37, 50F

11/26 08:20, , 51F
不過小哈是真的不太需要懷念
11/26 08:20, 51F

11/26 08:21, , 52F
留小哈更不可能有未來吧
11/26 08:21, 52F

11/26 08:42, , 53F
why @@...?
11/26 08:42, 53F

11/26 12:23, , 54F
不用問why 反正他也沒留下來 你也看不到未來
11/26 12:23, 54F

11/26 12:23, , 55F
其他人要怎說就都是隨便他們了
11/26 12:23, 55F

11/26 12:24, , 56F
就像討論留Nash他是否能連兩屆MVP 也是差不多
11/26 12:24, 56F

11/26 14:17, , 57F
原來留Harris會比換來一個35歲的老將還沒有未來,第
11/26 14:17, 57F

11/26 14:17, , 58F
一次聽到這種說法...
11/26 14:17, 58F

11/27 03:21, , 59F
還有人在爭留誰好留誰不好喔= =a.....好膩~
11/27 03:21, 59F

11/27 04:15, , 60F
25歲 vs 35歲 切入 vs 等無敵空檔三分(還不一定進)
11/27 04:15, 60F

11/27 04:16, , 61F
切傳 vs 運過半場傳給Dirk刷數據 不看球員名還真的
11/27 04:16, 61F

11/27 04:17, , 62F
是高下立判 爭這真的滿無聊~
11/27 04:17, 62F

11/27 04:32, , 63F
25歲 vs 35歲 切入 vs 切入 切傳 vs 切傳
11/27 04:32, 63F

11/27 04:32, , 64F
不看球員名還真的認為小哈跟NASH同等級還比他年輕耶
11/27 04:32, 64F

11/27 04:33, , 65F
到底"懷念過去美好時光"的意義在哪裡= =|||
11/27 04:33, 65F

11/27 05:18, , 66F
樓上不就是說Kidd有上場價值因為他打比JJB好的picaro
11/27 05:18, 66F

11/27 05:19, , 67F
奉勸你不懂的少引用 板上一堆大大可以把你電慘慘地
11/27 05:19, 67F

11/27 05:20, , 68F
舉Nash是想打Kidd臉??? 同樣35歲一個表現的像巨星
11/27 05:20, 68F

11/27 05:21, , 69F
一個表現像一個刷數據待退的替補老人
11/27 05:21, 69F

11/27 05:22, , 70F
而說到懷念過去美好時光 記得是隨交易帶過來的風氣
11/27 05:22, 70F

11/27 06:22, , 71F
說老實話,拿現在的Nash比現在的Kidd只是打Kidd巴掌
11/27 06:22, 71F

11/27 06:22, , 72F
而已,這不是個替Kidd說話的好方法....
11/27 06:22, 72F

11/27 06:23, , 73F
而且留Harris比現在還沒未來確實挺荒謬的。XD
11/27 06:23, 73F

11/27 06:27, , 74F
Nash>Harris>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kidd 不知道證明了什麼
11/27 06:27, 74F

11/27 06:27, , 75F
而且懷念過去的美好不就是護Kidd最常見的方式嗎.....
11/27 06:27, 75F

11/27 06:28, , 76F
每次都是Kidd曾經怎樣怎樣...然後過去誰跟Kidd搭配
11/27 06:28, 76F

11/27 06:28, , 77F
誰就打出好數據誰就變成超人
11/27 06:28, 77F

11/27 09:28, , 78F
Kidd刷數據功力真的頗威...有時候看比賽他沒做什麼
11/27 09:28, 78F

11/27 09:29, , 79F
防守被過 助攻數字還是有
11/27 09:29, 79F

11/27 14:31, , 80F
KIDD三分把握住+把節奏調好就是他的價值了
11/27 14:31, 80F

11/27 14:32, , 81F
^在JJB腦衝的時候
11/27 14:32, 81F

11/27 16:16, , 82F
我民國幾年說過Kidd有上場價值因為他打比JJB好= = 而
11/27 16:16, 82F

11/27 16:17, , 83F
且我引用什麼了嗎= = 我不就用HAPPY大的比較方式在比
11/27 16:17, 83F

11/27 16:18, , 84F
兩個人而已....再而且 我沒有想要電誰齁! 我不會自討
11/27 16:18, 84F

11/27 16:19, , 85F
沒趣...我本來就不會什麼分析...我只是單純對這種比
11/27 16:19, 85F

11/27 16:20, , 86F
較覺得怪而已..還有 並沒有誰一直懷念Kidd的美好過去
11/27 16:20, 86F

11/27 17:18, , 87F
要說比較,似乎是某樓先說留Harris比現在更沒未來
11/27 17:18, 87F

11/27 17:19, , 88F
怎麼某樓說的不覺得怪,後面就覺得怪了呢?
11/27 17:19, 88F

11/27 17:20, , 89F
何況把Nash拖進來比真的只是更明顯看出兩名過35老將
11/27 17:20, 89F

11/27 17:20, , 90F
的差別而已....= =
11/27 17:20, 90F

11/27 17:40, , 91F
我也同意Nash現在真的比Kidd強阿~我又沒有要辯啥= =
11/27 17:40, 91F

11/27 17:40, , 92F
阿說留小哈沒未來那個 我要回的時候底下都回應說怪了
11/27 17:40, 92F

11/27 17:41, , 93F
我再回才奇怪吧= = 我只是單純覺得只比那幾項本來就
11/27 17:41, 93F

11/27 17:42, , 94F
比較粗糙一些...我也沒有要說誰比較強 只能說NBA都強
11/27 17:42, 94F

11/27 17:43, , 95F
而且我回那個也不是想要表示什麼就被攻擊了~我也無奈
11/27 17:43, 95F

11/27 17:47, , 96F
突然拖個Nash進來其實更怪...還加了句"懷念過去"
11/27 17:47, 96F

11/27 18:16, , 97F
我知道很怪...因為前面的比較也很怪= = 那句話的意思
11/27 18:16, 97F

11/27 18:18, , 98F
只是要說交易都過了 "懷念以前球員"也沒用..15句了QQ
11/27 18:18, 98F

11/28 22:09, , 99F
事實證明跟一群分身計較實在是陪了夫人又折兵...
11/28 22:09, 99F
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