[外絮] 鑑古知今?或許第25名剛好而已已回收

看板NBA (美國籃球)作者 (恩歪批居)時間12年前 (2013/10/21 16:42), 編輯推噓4(848)
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網站圖文版: http://tinyurl.com/ljkuwwa Kobe Bryant's No. 25 #NBARank and history Projecting what Kobe Bryant can contribute in 2013-14 is guesswork, but the numbers aren't optimistic. 預測 Kobe 在 2013-14 球季成繳出什麼成績就像是在猜謎,不可能完全準確。 Our #NBArank project set off a firestorm this past week when Kobe Bryant was unveiled as our panel’s choice at No. 25. ESPN 團隊公布 Kobe 為第25名的事件在上週引起了軒然大波。 The panel was asked to rate each player from 0 to 10, with the following guidelines: "Rate the overall level of play you PREDICT for each player for the upcoming NBA season. This includes both the quality and the quantity of his expected contributions, combined in one overall rating." 團隊成員被要求給予「0至10分」來評價每位球員,依據以下的說明 預測每位球員下一季的整體表現,質與量都包含在考量之中,合計為一個整體分數」 In other words, how much can we expect this player to contribute during the upcoming NBA season? 也就是說,這位球員未來一季能帶給我們多少期待? With that in mind, many voters on the #NBArank panel projected that, coming off surgery for a torn Achilles tendon, Bryant’s production in 2013-14 will fall off dramatically. We don’t know when Bryant will return to the court and, when he does, we have no idea how the injury will affect his performance. 在這樣的心證下,團隊中許多評審都認為: 經過阿基里斯腱手術後,Kobe 的表現會一落千丈。 但其實我們不知道 Kobe 何時會回到球場上;我們也不知道傷勢會如何影響他的表現。 Those questions inspired the team at Princeton Sports Analysts to investigate. PSA is a collective of Princeton undergrads who study advanced analytics, stats and the economics of sports. To get a better sense of how Bryant’s injury might affect his output this season, the gang at PSA turned to a paper published in March titled, “Performance Outcomes After Repair of Complete Achilles Tendon Ruptures in National Basketball Association Players. ” 這些好奇激起了 PSA (Princeton Sports Analysts) 的好奇心想一探究竟。 PSA 是一群研究進階運動分析、運動數據和運動經濟的大學生所組成。 為了深入了解 Kobe 的傷勢可能會如何影響他的表現, 他們參考了一篇三月發表的論文名為「NBA球員跟腱術後的表現」 The study looked at 18 players who suffered the injury, and the findings were discouraging, as summarized by PSA: 這份研究觀察了18位受此傷之苦的球員,最後的結果是呈現悲觀的, PSA 總結如下: Of those 18 players, 7 were never able to return to NBA action, 3 returned for just one season, and the remaining 8 would go on to play 2 or more seasons. And of those players that returned, their performance suffered drastically, especially in their first season. In their study of the 11 players that returned to the NBA, the players' PER (player efficiency rating), decreased by an average of 4.57 points. In the second, it decreased by 4.38 points. 在這18位球員中,7個沒有再回到 NBA 賽場上、3個只回來打了一季、 剩下8個可以再打個兩季以上。 而那些再回來的球員,表現都很慘,尤其是剛回來的第一季。 研究中那11位有再回來的球員,PER 平均跌 4.57分; 第二個球季的 PER 相較傷前則平均跌 4.38分。 ... If you decreased his PER by the average reduction of 4.57 ... you’d find that Kobe would’ve ranked 49th in the league last year, some 24 spots higher than where ESPN has him in their NBA Rank. Kobe is an animal, but the stats indicate that the anger towards his NBA Rank of 25 is far from justified. 如果你把 Kobe 傷前的 PER 減掉4.57再放回去年的排名, 你會得到第49名這個比 EPSN 預測再爛24個順位的名次。 Kobe 是條猛獸,但數據告訴我們這些對於排名第25的怒火其實毫無道理。 That’s a steep drop, and if we want a case study in the impact of an Achilles injury, Elton Brand provides a helpful example. In 2005-06, Brand ranked 6th in the league with a PER of 26.67. The following year, he dropped to 23.16, which was still good for 14th overall. That following summer, Brand suffered a ruptured Achilles tendon, missed all but eight games in 2007-08 and has never recorded a PER better than 18.5 since. 還真慘阿 ... 如果我們想要了解跟腱傷勢的影響, Elton Brand 會是一個有幫助的例子。 2005-06球季 Brand 的 PER 26.67在聯盟排名第6, 隔年掉到 23.16 不過總排名14還是不錯, 接下來的夏天, Brand 身受跟腱斷裂之苦,2007-08整季只打了八場比賽。 之後 PER 就一直低於18.5。 Bryant is a different caliber of ballplayer, the ultimate outlier -- in conditioning, preparation and intensity. It’s reasonable to assume Kobe will apply a unique level of focus into his rehabilitation so that, when the next study of NBA Achilles injuries is released, he’ll reside at the far end of the production axis on the scatterplot graph. 當然 Kobe 一直是一個獨特的球員; 在體能、賽前準備等等訓練強度方面,他是極端的離群值。 可以想見 Kobe 會超出一般水準地專注在復健, 而當下一份 NBA 跟腱傷勢研究出來的時候,他將會落在分布圖的另一測 The PSA team also notes that age, something that’s been cited as working against the 35-year-old Bryant, wasn’t determined to be a factor in recovery, so talk of the challenges an older player faces coming back from an Achilles tear doesn’t conform to the data. PSA 也指出 Kobe 35的年紀也是這個研究對象需要考慮的, 年紀在之前的研究中並沒有被當作復原狀況的關鍵因素, 所以當討論到老將從跟腱斷裂復原的挑戰,實際上並沒有歷史資料可以參考。 原文: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/63426 心得: 朱雀橋邊野草花,烏衣巷口夕陽斜。 舊時王謝堂前燕,飛入尋常百姓家。 -- ReckonBox | 睿啃盒子 算術是籃球的一部份 http://reckonbox.herokuapp.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ReckonBox SBL第十季 球員PER排名 http://tinyurl.com/mjxmwbq -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 111.243.102.22 ※ 編輯: nypgand1 來自: 111.243.102.22 (10/21 16:42)

10/21 16:43, , 1F
又老又傷是要多高
10/21 16:43, 1F

10/21 16:43, , 2F
給他第一有臉受嗎
10/21 16:43, 2F

10/21 16:49, , 3F
樓上你不能這樣說,人家有迷迷的,小心阿
10/21 16:49, 3F

10/21 17:15, , 4F
10/21 17:15, 4F

10/21 17:21, , 5F
是比得分多又不是什麼麼PER
10/21 17:21, 5F

10/21 17:35, , 6F
迷迷會無視
10/21 17:35, 6F

10/21 17:43, , 7F
去年受傷的Rose 排第5、Andrew Bynum排第13,好準!
10/21 17:43, 7F

10/21 17:52, , 8F
籃球是比誰得分多又不是比誰PER多
10/21 17:52, 8F

10/21 18:24, , 9F
籃球是比誰失分少又不是比誰PER多
10/21 18:24, 9F

10/21 18:30, , 10F
彌彌:籃球是比誰打鐵多又不是比誰PER多
10/21 18:30, 10F

10/21 18:33, , 11F
PER是對Kobe這種球員很有利的數據了
10/21 18:33, 11F

10/21 19:05, , 12F
利你娘
10/21 19:05, 12F

10/21 19:10, , 13F
生涯末期才得此傷已經是不幸中的大幸了
10/21 19:10, 13F

10/21 19:24, , 14F
槍西不就是老將又跟腱斷裂復原嗎 好像也有點慘
10/21 19:24, 14F

10/21 20:55, , 15F
qw打臉太殘忍
10/21 20:55, 15F

10/21 21:24, , 16F
這篇今天也有看到 不管比不比PER 但PER下滑的確是個
10/21 21:24, 16F

10/21 21:24, , 17F
指標
10/21 21:24, 17F

10/22 09:30, , 18F
輸贏才是比得分好嗎 個人排名不看PER難道看打鐵數?
10/22 09:30, 18F

10/22 11:05, , 19F
也太小看kobe了吧....前面那些例子有幾個是超級巨星?
10/22 11:05, 19F

10/22 11:05, , 20F
有幾個有kobe練球的態度跟贏球決心?
10/22 11:05, 20F
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