Re: [討論] VC 雷聲大雨點小已回收

看板NBA (美國籃球)作者colinh (ColinH)時間12年前 (2014/06/20 14:50)推噓7(7推 0噓 5→)

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雖然Bill Simmons很不喜歡Vince Carter 不過Grantland上面有一篇Zach Lowe在2012幫Vince Carter辯護的文章儘管他知道VC過去有許多風風雨雨, 但是他還是認為VC將來應該進入名人堂他的理由:NBA當時(2012,12月)只有13個球員拿到23000分, 5000籃板, 4000助攻, 其中11個進了名人堂, 另外兩個還沒進的叫KG和Kobe, 而VC,Ray Allen,Paul Pierce應該會是14-16個 (現在都超過了 LBJ也達到了), 不出意外的話,VC以外幾位應該都會進名人堂另外, 如果喜歡正負分的算法, VC在場上的時候通常球隊的進攻更有效率, 而且球隊防守端他在場上和在板凳上都維持在相同的等級 http://ppt.cc/2NgV (以Win Shares排序VC是17個裡面第二低的就是了) 如果是限定22000分, 5000籃板, 4000助攻以上的球員還會加上滑翔機Clyde Drexler 另外, VC那屆第一輪選秀以及他後面兩屆的第一輪, 總共87名球員, 2012年底時只有21名還在打NBA, 而VC在小牛板凳還是持續可以打出令人吃驚的表現即使在小牛第一年(2011-12)還是有13.57的PER值, 41.1%命中率, 而且竟然可以看到他團隊防守做的不錯 (之後這兩年PER是17.93, 15.99, 命中率43.5%, 40.7%) In Defense of Vince Carter http://ppt.cc/a9Zj 節錄 Is all of it — the Toronto disgrace, the postseason flops, etc. — enough to keep him out of the Hall of Fame? It looked like it a year or so ago, when Carter appeared on his way out with career numbers that were very nice, but that did not quite confer Springfield lock status upon him. But he’s averaging 13 per game now, shooting 42 percent from deep, and playing legitimately solid defense. He’ll at least approach 22,000 career points this season, and with a guaranteed deal for next season, he has a shot to reach 23,000 if he stays healthy. Only 13 players in NBA/ABA history have eclipsed 22,000 points, 5,000 rebounds, and 4,000 assists; Carter, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce will make it 16 shortly, and a few others — Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Larry Bird — barely missed. Eleven of those 13 players are in the Hall of Fame, and the other two are Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant. There is obviously some major cherry-picking involved in selecting those numbers; Carter will barely make the rebound and assist totals, while several players, including Dirk Nowitzki, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Patrick Ewing, have blown away the 22,000/5,000 feat by a wide margin while falling short on the dimes. Still, the numbers are impressive, and if you like plus/minus stuff, Carter’ s teams have usually scored much more efficiently with him on the floor — and defended at about the same level with him on the floor as on the bench. Numbers aren’t everything; that’s why Antawn Jamison, a horrid defender for much of his career, is unlikely to get in. Carter has long had the counting stats and regular-season numbers. It was the other stuff that had fans, players, and media members justifiably holding their noses when it came to Carter’s Hall candidacy. And that’s fair. Carter has earned that skepticism. But that shouldn’t blind us to a fun little late-career evolution happening in Dallas — the kind of evolution a lot of players never figure out. Only 21 of the 87 first-rounders in Carter’s draft class and the subsequent two are even active in the league. Carter is still surprising us. -- -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 60.248.108.208 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1403247019.A.F45.html