[外絮] LBJ談嘴綠的重要性 就像玩uno永遠有+4卡
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Nash: And you talk a little bit about versatility and how that can change a
series when it's like the last card to play.
你剛提到多功能性，這種特性在季後賽能夠改變整個系列戰，像是最後一張王牌
LeBron: Yeah, and I think who've mastered that over the last like 10 years is
GSW. And the main reason is because of Draymond. When we played them in 2015
in the finals, I believe they started the series off, I believe it was either
Bogut or David Lee was starting at the center.And obviously we was out without
Kevin Love and unfortunately Kyrie got hurt in overtime of game one.
我覺得過去十年把這件事發揮到極致的是勇士隊。而這一切最主要的關鍵就是Draymond
我們2015總冠軍賽打他們的時候，我記得那系列一開始，他們先發中鋒好像是 Bogut 或
David Lee。而我們那時候剛好少了 Kevin Love，很不幸 Kyrie也在G1延長賽時受傷。
Nash: Kevin had a concussion? Kevin是腦震盪嗎？
LeBron: Kevin separated shoulder and Kyrie dislocated his kneecap. But we ended
up going up two, we ended up going up 2-1. And because of Draymond and because
of Iguodala and because of Shaun Livingston, it gave them the dynamic in game 4
Draymond started at the five, Iguodala started at the four. We stayed pat with
our lineup of Tristan and Timofey Mozgov, myself, J.R. Smith and I believe
Dellavedova, And it changed the landscape of their team.
Kevin 是肩膀脫臼。Kyrie 則是膝蓋脫臼，但我們還是取得了2比1的領先。而因為
Draymond、Iguodala 和 Shaun Livingston，第4戰勇士開始出現新的變化。Draymond
打5號，Iguodala 打4號。 我們原封不動還是原本的先發：Tristan、Timofey Mozgov、
我自己、J.R. Smith，還有我記得是 Dellavedova。這個調整徹底改變了他們球隊的節奏
And still to this day, the versatility that Draymond allows Steve in
that franchise to have, it makes them who they are. And obviously we know
Steph does, we goes back to, Steph will do what Steph does. And I think
that's what the game of basketball is, to be able to have that versatility,
to be able to have 6-7 guys that can play big or be able to switch out on
guards, having 6'5, 6'4, 6'8, 6'9 across the board to be able to make you so
versatile that you always keep the defense or keep the other team at bay.
Because there's some teams that just won't change or they don't have the
versatility package to be able to do it. So that is huge.
直到今天，Draymond 給Kerr還有整支球隊帶來的多功能性，造就了他們的成功。當然我
們都知道Steph是Steph，會做他自己擅長的事。但籃球這項運動就是這樣，你要有那種多
功能性，要有6-7個球員可以拉大打、也能換防後衛。 場上同時有 6呎4、6呎5、6呎8、
6呎9的球員，讓你能夠隨時變陣、隨時製造壓力，對手永遠沒辦法完全掌握你要怎麼打。
有些球隊根本不會改變， 或者他們根本沒那個多功能陣容的條件。所以這非常重要。
Nash: Yeah, I mean, they traditionally were happy to start with the center,
but what they were saying at this point is, we're gonna play our last card.
是的，我的意思是，他們傳統上很樂意從中鋒開始打起，但他們當時的意思是，
我們要打出我們的最後一張王牌。
LeBron: Yeah, we'll play our last card.
對，就是要打出王牌。
Nash: Take that off the table, Draymond on the five. So immediately, Mozgov
has to guard the playmaker. Draymond's the playmaker. And then defensively,
they can switch. And now, okay, if you wanna go to Mozgov in the post, they
are not going to you in the post. So they've now played that card by playing
it the entire game, their death lineup. And so now it's a blanking contest.
Are you able to stick with it or are you gonna have to go to the point five?
直接把傳統中鋒這一招拿掉，Draymond 打五號位，這樣 Mozgov 馬上要守一個控球者。
Draymond就是控球發動機,防守端他們可以無限換防。然後你如果想打 Mozgov 的低位單
打，對方也根本不會讓你打那個點。等於說他們整場比賽都在打這種「死亡五小」陣容。
變成一場心理對決，看你撐不撐得住、還是你會被逼著自己也要變陣。
LeBron: It showed the league a lot. I mean, we did it, obviously, in Miami
our second year when Spo was a genius to be able to move Bosh to the five. We
played big early on with Joel Anthony and Chris Bosh, or Udonis Haslem and
Chris Bosh. And I think when Bosh went to the 5, it gave us some versatility
as well. Being more athletic, being able to open up the court a lot more,
because CB could hit the corner three. And that's the game. That's the game,
to be able to have those dynamics.
這讓整個聯盟都學到了很多。我們那時在邁阿密第二年也做過這件事， 那時 Spolestra
超聰明，把 Bosh 拉去打五號位。我們前面是打雙大個：Joel Anthony 搭 Bosh，或是
Udonis Haslem 搭 Bosh。 但一換成 Bosh 打五號，我們整隊運動能力、空間拉開很多，
而且 Bosh還能投底角三分。這就是籃球的核心，隨時變陣。
I mean, you look at Boston. Boston won it by how versatile they are. When
they added Jrue Holiday, it made them so much more dynamic. Obviously, the
growth of Jayson and Jaylen, but they're gonna be who they are. But to be able
to add a guy like Jrue Holiday, who is basically a Swiss Army knife, you tell
him, what do you need, coach? All right, I got it. To be able to have those
dynamics and have those players, as a coaching staff, that's something that
you dream of, because every series in the postseason is different.
你看現在的波士頓。他們能奪冠，靠的就是這種多變性。引進 Jrue Holiday 之後，
整隊戰力變得超完整。當然 Jayson 和 Jaylen的成長也關鍵，但他們本來就會繼續變強
Jrue Holiday 就像瑞士刀一樣，你問他：「教練需要我做什麼？」他就說：「我來」
有這種球員，對教練團來說是夢寐以求的，因為每輪季後賽的對手都不同。
Okay, maybe we need to play bigger this postseason and this series. Okay, now
this series requires to be more fast. Okay, now this need to be more
physical. Now we need to really dial in and be able to have those cards. To
be able to play Uno, I always got to draw four cards. Always got it. You say
Uno, I'm right here, I'm ready. As soon as you say Uno, I'm throwing this
draw four down. That is the luxury, that's the luxury. that is the model,
having more positionaless players.
這系列你可能要打大個陣，下一輪你得打快，再下一輪要拼身體強度，你必須手上有這些
戰術選項。 打 Uno 的時候我手上永遠有「+4」卡，你喊 Uno，我馬上丟出來！這就是
優勢，這就是奢侈。這就是那種「無位置籃球」的最佳模板。
Nash: I mean, you can even talk about, with Golden State starting it, the way
Boston plays now. I mean, obviously Porzingis, when he plays, is a stretch
five, you can protect the rim, but when he doesn't play, they still have
positionless basketball. Five point guards playing blender, lots of threes.
Same, in a sense, you can make it a comparison to your Lakers team with AD
going to the five, winning a championship. You could go positionally big, but
you could also go with a center and AD next to him. You look at this OKC team,
they not only have all sorts of guys that can switch guard multiple
positions, but can play Blender, make open shots, or they can go with the two
bigs, with Hartenstein. So you're talking about the top teams, same with
Cleveland, going with the two bigs, or taking them off the floor.
對啊，這一切從勇士開始，然後現在你看波士頓也是這樣打。Porzingis 在的時候是可以
保護籃框的外線五號，但他沒上時，他們還是能打「無位置」的球。5個控球、場上像果
汁機一樣攪拌、三分亂炸。就像你們那年 Lakers 奪冠的模式，AD 打5號。你們能打傳統
大陣，也能讓 AD 搭配另一位中鋒。再看 OKC，他們也有一堆能守多個位置、能投空檔、
能能融入球隊戰術的球員，有時也會派兩個大個上場，像是 Hartenstein。你看這些強隊
，像騎士隊，有時雙塔上場，有時把其中一人拉下來，Mobley打5號、Jarrett Allen搭他
LeBron: They have Mobley at the five, or Jarrett Allen playing right beside
him, yeah, absolutely.
騎士可以讓 Mobley 打5號，也可以讓 Jarrett Allen 搭他一起上，沒錯，就這樣打
Nash: Optionality, and one of the cards has to be being able to switch, the
other card is being able to go a little bigger. Those cards, not everyone has.
變陣選項這件事很關鍵，一張牌是可以無限換防，另一張是你能夠變大陣。
但這兩張牌，不是每隊都有。
LeBron: Not everyone has, and that is a luxury.
並不是每個人都有，那是一種奢侈。
Nash: That's right, and then you get to the leadership hierarchy, the
resilience, toughness, the IQ, and that's what it is, is the teams that have
the profile and the roster, that have the buy-in, that have the leadership,
the hierarchy,the resilience, the mental toughness. That's who you see in the
finals every year.
沒錯，接下來要看的就是領導結構、抗壓性、韌性，還有球商。這些具備這些特質的球隊
，才是有完整陣容、有凝聚力、有清楚的領導階層、有心理韌性的球隊。
你每年都能在總決賽看到他們。
LeBron: There you go.
就是這樣沒錯。
備註
不愧是品腿師 講得真好
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