[花邊] Draymond Green回應LBJ戒指文化的看法

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Green and his podcast co-host Baron Davis discussed James' comments on the latest episode of "The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis," where Davis initially said he "definitely" agrees with James. And while Green does as well, he shared a more thought-out response with a big-picture perspective. 在最新一集《The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis》播客中,Green與共同主持 人Baron Davis討論了James的這番話,Davis先表示,他「絕對」認同James的看法。 Green雖然也表示贊同,但他補充了一段更深層視角的觀點: "I think ring culture took a big turn and came into play in large part due to the success of the Golden State Warriors. What Bron was saying is that you get guys like Stephen A. [Smith], and to me it felt like Stephen A. is someone who talks a lot about rings, and you don't know what it takes to win a ring because you've never won a ring. You don't understand because you've never gone through it. And because you don't know how hard it is because you've never gone through it, then you start using it to lessen the greatness of some of the greats. 「我認為所謂的『戒指文化』之所以出現並成為主流,在很大程度上與金州勇士的成功有 關。LeBron想表達的是,你會看到像Stephen A. Smith這樣的媒體人整天把總冠軍戒指掛 在嘴邊,他們常以戒指來衡量球員價值,但他們根本不知道贏得一枚冠軍戒有多難,因為 他們從來沒有親身經歷過,正因為你不清楚這有多艱難,你就會開始用戒指來貶低某些偉 大球員的成就。」 "Is having a ring important? Of course. Does it add to legacies? Does it stamp legacies? Absolutely. I'm not going to sit here and act like having a ring or rings doesn't matter. It does matter. But it doesn't make [Charles] Barkley less great than he was. It doesn't make Allen Iverson less great. I think when people use it, they use it to dim the greatness, dim the light on guys. And that's what I felt like Bron was getting at." To Green's point, both Barkley and Iverson are Naismith Basketball Hall of Famers, 11-time NBA All-Stars and one-time league MVPs. 「冠軍戒重要嗎?當然重要。它能為傳奇生涯加分嗎?能鞏固歷史地位嗎?毫無疑問絕對 能,我不會坐在這裡裝作戒指不重要的樣子,但這不代表Barkley就不夠偉大,也不代表 Allen Iverson的偉大會因此減少。我覺得有些人用戒指去貶低那些未曾奪冠球星的成就 ,而這正是我覺得LeBron想表達的重點。」 In more recent times, players such as James Harden, Russell Westbrook and -- probably more than anyone --Chris Paul, have been scrutinized for never getting over that hump of winning a championship. "CP and James Harden, if they don't run into us [the Warriors], they probably do win a championship," Green said. "Sometimes, that's just how the cookie crumbles. But that don't mean those guys aren't great. That don't mean Chris Paul isn't a winner. Chris Paul is a winner. There's so many things that have to go right for you to win a championship. "So to just lessen someone's greatness because of it, I think that's wrong. Again, I'm not saying that having the rings don't matter. When I walk in a room, I feel great about the four rings I have. But that does not lessen someone else's greatness." 而近年來,包括James Harden、Russell Westbrook,甚至最常被提及的Chris Paul等球 員,也因未能奪冠而飽受質疑。 Green表示:「如果CP和Harden當年沒遇上我們,他們或許真的能贏下總冠軍。有時候成敗 就是差在這一點運氣。但這不代表這些人不偉大,更不代表Chris Paul不是贏家,他絕對 是個贏家。要贏得總冠軍,需要太多因素完美配合。」 「所以僅僅因為某人沒有奪冠就貶低他們的偉大,我認為是錯誤的。再次強調,我不是說 戒指不重要,當我走進房間時,我對自己的四枚冠軍戒非常自豪,但這並不會讓其他人的 偉大因此被抹煞。」 "There are more great players than great players that won rings," Davis said, as Green agreed. "There are more great players who haven't won rings than great players that have won rings. That's the way we got to look at it." Davis接著說:「沒拿過冠軍的偉大球員,遠比拿過冠軍的偉大球員還要多。」 Green也表示認同:「歷史上偉大卻未曾奪冠的球員比那些擁有冠軍戒的偉大球員還要多 。我們該以這樣的角度來看待這件事。」 來源:https://reurl.cc/0K72Lb 嘴綠的觀點很中肯 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.231.109.40 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1750489480.A.EEC.html

06/21 15:09, 6月前 , 1F
戒指不偉大論只會讓姆斯變少數派
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06/21 15:10, 6月前 , 2F
富堡的又來了
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06/21 15:11, 6月前 , 3F
籃球圈不會有人直接反對啦XD
06/21 15:11, 3F

06/21 15:12, 6月前 , 4F
大家講話的但書都有夠多
06/21 15:12, 4F

06/21 15:15, 6月前 , 5F
平衡性質的觀點
06/21 15:15, 5F

06/21 15:17, 6月前 , 6F
戒指文化就是這樣囉 就像小丑字母沒有那各一冠 到現
06/21 15:17, 6F

06/21 15:17, 6月前 , 7F
馬龍 史塔克頓 地位驟升
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06/21 15:17, 6月前 , 8F
在就是會討論他們過譽或者不是基石這樣 但其實現在
06/21 15:17, 8F

06/21 15:17, 6月前 , 9F
也是會用一冠對他們不足以稱之什麼偉大之類的言論
06/21 15:17, 9F

06/21 15:18, 6月前 , 10F
不但書會一次得罪很多人 因為詹皇把這些人都拖下水
06/21 15:18, 10F

06/21 15:18, 6月前 , 11F
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06/21 15:18, 6月前 , 12F
現役就是先加油啦 退役後再說這些也不晚
06/21 15:18, 12F

06/21 15:19, 6月前 , 13F
富寶幫來了,全聯盟最可以和裁判吵架的球員都在這
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06/21 15:20, 6月前 , 14F
結論:偉大但不是山羊
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06/21 15:20, 6月前 , 15F
但是 歷史前十 或前20 有誰沒拿過冠軍呢
06/21 15:20, 15F

06/21 15:21, 6月前 , 16F
姆斯就是要AI老巴抬轎而已啊
06/21 15:21, 16F

06/21 15:21, 6月前 , 17F
要被詹酸黑爛了
06/21 15:21, 17F

06/21 15:22, 6月前 , 18F
閉嘴啦 冠軍賽打完要跪要舔隨便你表演
06/21 15:22, 18F

06/21 15:22, 6月前 , 19F
嘴綠真的很中肯
06/21 15:22, 19F

06/21 15:23, 6月前 , 20F
73亞說的確實無法反駁
06/21 15:23, 20F

06/21 15:24, 6月前 , 21F
腦補 人家只是想稀釋冠軍戒的影響
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06/21 15:25, 6月前 , 22F
這種論調本來就是他想要的方向
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06/21 15:26, 6月前 , 23F
就是很困難 所以含金量很高啊 有問題?
06/21 15:26, 23F

06/21 15:28, 6月前 , 24F
重要 但是沒有也沒辦法的概念
06/21 15:28, 24F

06/21 15:29, 6月前 , 25F
這個觀點也是對的,但詹詹提出這個說法想表達的是
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06/21 15:29, 6月前 , 26F
平常酸嘴綠最多的不就詹迷嗎 現在他為姆斯講話就又
06/21 15:29, 26F

06/21 15:29, 6月前 , 27F
這個嗎,就很值得討論
06/21 15:29, 27F

06/21 15:29, 6月前 , 28F
累積的數據很偉大沒問題 但冠軍戒更困難所以更重要
06/21 15:29, 28F

06/21 15:30, 6月前 , 29F
四冠說話了
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06/21 15:30, 6月前 , 30F
贊同他了,果然是風往哪吹就往哪倒啊
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06/21 15:30, 6月前 , 31F
可悲
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06/21 15:31, 6月前 , 32F
富寶幫來平衡打擊了
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06/21 15:31, 6月前 , 33F
冠軍文化很大一部分是喬丹帶起來的不是嗎?他常常
06/21 15:31, 33F

06/21 15:31, 6月前 , 34F
會說6大於5之類的或是提起冠軍次數,這也沒什麼好
06/21 15:31, 34F

06/21 15:31, 6月前 , 35F
吵的,每個人定義成功的標準不一樣
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06/21 15:32, 6月前 , 36F
這是普偏的正論啦,但爭議在別的地方
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06/21 15:32, 6月前 , 37F
Not7仔大談戒指文化就是可笑 他最想要的就是戒指啊
06/21 15:32, 37F

06/21 15:32, 6月前 , 38F
喬丹甚麼時候常說6大於5的,有來源嗎?
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06/21 15:32, 6月前 , 39F
第三段 你覺得LBJ想表達的重點很明顯是錯的 LBJ只想
06/21 15:32, 39F
還有 288 則推文
06/22 07:33, 6月前 , 328F
高下立判可憐R
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06/22 07:38, 6月前 , 329F
連續六次奪冠叫做運氣好,六個亞軍叫做有實力?唉
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06/22 07:38, 6月前 , 330F
說真的羌迷很可憐,為了護航主子連價值觀都錯亂惹
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06/22 07:38, 6月前 , 331F
。現實社會中你會叫小孩去考學店糞系然後整天酸葡
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06/22 07:38, 6月前 , 332F
萄說台大醫科電機法律財金只是運氣好嗎?
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06/22 07:43, 6月前 , 333F
馬龍>lbj
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06/22 08:04, 6月前 , 334F
難得中肯
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06/22 08:34, 6月前 , 335F
nba成就不看戒指要看什麼?411?父子同場?
06/22 08:34, 335F

06/22 08:35, 6月前 , 336F
綠說的很中肯。
06/22 08:35, 336F

06/22 09:11, 6月前 , 337F
嘴綠這種有開podcast的基本口條是有的拉
06/22 09:11, 337F

06/22 09:50, 6月前 , 338F
姆斯我朋友
06/22 09:50, 338F

06/22 10:17, 6月前 , 339F
本來就是捧自己有冠啦
06/22 10:17, 339F

06/22 11:40, 6月前 , 340F
這個咖什麼時候有資格說話 他又不是車長
06/22 11:40, 340F

06/22 11:54, 6月前 , 341F
你打球很髒 但講這些真的值得推
06/22 11:54, 341F

06/22 12:35, 6月前 , 342F
講的很好啊 有讀大學還是有差
06/22 12:35, 342F

06/22 12:58, 6月前 , 343F
這咖難得中肯
06/22 12:58, 343F

06/22 13:26, 6月前 , 344F
球場外的嘴綠就蠻頂的啊
06/22 13:26, 344F

06/22 13:33, 6月前 , 345F
很多人都因人廢言 單論這個議題 絕對不是戒指決定一
06/22 13:33, 345F

06/22 13:33, 6月前 , 346F
個人的歷史地位
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06/22 13:36, 6月前 , 347F
搭車仔嘴秋的咧 把你換掉多兩冠
06/22 13:36, 347F

06/22 13:59, 6月前 , 348F
6亞山羌滾出湖人
06/22 13:59, 348F

06/22 14:01, 6月前 , 349F
外來種別想碰瓷科神
06/22 14:01, 349F

06/22 14:08, 6月前 , 350F
本來就不是戒指決定,HOF滿滿沒冠的
06/22 14:08, 350F

06/22 14:42, 6月前 , 351F
開除咪才滾出湖人
06/22 14:42, 351F

06/22 15:42, 6月前 , 352F
乘客有再多戒指還是乘客...
06/22 15:42, 352F

06/22 17:05, 6月前 , 353F
不愧是綠師傅 場上dirty場下得體
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06/22 17:45, 6月前 , 354F
放屁 戒指文化從公牛喬丹那時就開始了
06/22 17:45, 354F

06/22 18:30, 6月前 , 355F
綠師傅又在臉上貼金,從91喬丹奪冠開始此風就不可遏
06/22 18:30, 355F

06/22 20:05, 6月前 , 356F
本來就沒有完全用戒指衡量了阿,不然GOAT就不會是
06/22 20:05, 356F

06/22 20:06, 6月前 , 357F
喬丹了。LBJ就是累積數據壓過喬丹,不過戒指比不過
06/22 20:06, 357F

06/22 20:06, 6月前 , 358F
,所以才翻桌啦,看能不能凹個GOAT
06/22 20:06, 358F

06/22 20:08, 6月前 , 359F
嘴綠以前還不是嗆KD,說勇士在他還沒來以前就是冠
06/22 20:08, 359F

06/22 20:08, 6月前 , 360F
軍了,靠北,KD就算不是冠軍也比嘴綠份量高多了,
06/22 20:08, 360F

06/22 20:08, 6月前 , 361F
還不是要被有戒指的嘴綠嘴
06/22 20:08, 361F

06/23 00:02, 6月前 , 362F
綠綠就是乘客還拿戒指出來嗆的壞榜樣...
06/23 00:02, 362F

06/23 02:25, 6月前 , 363F
有些人是不是理解有障礙
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06/23 02:25, 6月前 , 364F
很困難 所以戒指絕對是標準 但不是唯一標準
06/23 02:25, 364F

06/23 02:26, 6月前 , 365F
很難懂?還是詹酸都底層?
06/23 02:26, 365F

06/23 19:28, 6月前 , 366F
不管啦,組團還是贏不了又怎樣,數據漂亮就是goat
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06/23 20:25, 6月前 , 367F
海邊版主還不能酸的,笑死。不知道他肛裂好了沒
06/23 20:25, 367F
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