[新聞] Revisiting the Scott Proctor trade

看板NY-Yankees作者時間18年前 (2007/09/23 14:57), 編輯推噓52(52032)
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Warning:很顯然是作者相當主觀的想法(他一開頭也說了) 嚴格來講雖然算是一篇馬後炮文章 但也提供不同的觀點 (不喜勿入) Revisiting the Scott Proctor trade 回顧天天P的交易 By Andrew Fletcher 9/22 Let me preface this post by saying: yes, I may have a Scott Proctor bias. Also, I’m sorry to bring in a touch of negativity after a crazy victory today. But please bear with me. 讓我醜話先講在前頭:是的,我對天天P有偏愛。 抱歉請包容我,在經歷一個瘋狂的勝利後,卻帶進這樣消極的一面: During these last two games, the Yankees were faced with using a ton of pitchers to get outs. Today, they used 10 pitchers in a game - the most in team history - to get 30 outs. That is just unacceptable. You can’t use Jose Veras and Edwar Ramirez in a pennant race. Yesterday’s game went 14 innings, leading me to believe that scoring four runs in the ninth inning last night was sort of a negative, as the short bullpen was even shorter this afternoon. 在過去兩場比賽中,洋基使用了大量的投手來讓打者出局,今天他們使用了10個投手來 取得30個出局數,是洋基隊上的歷史新高,這實在是讓人難以接受,你不能在冠軍賽中 使用Jose Veras和Edwar Ramirez兩人,昨天的比賽打到第14局,讓我感覺到9局中只得 4分太消極了,因此讓今天下午的牛棚戰力更拮据。 The bullpen has been a weakness all season, which is why I’m still baffled by the Proctor for Wilson Betemit trade. Brian Cashman went from trading one of the best relievers (by default) for a utility infielder who pretty much has no role with the team. 牛棚一整季都很弱,我還是對天天P跟Wilson Betemit的交易感到很困惑,Brian Cashman 拿最好的救援投手,去換一個在隊上沒有什麼角色可以讓他扮演的內野工具人。 Last night, Joe Torre could have used Proctor to relieve Chien-Ming Wang in the eighth inning. Instead, he had to go to Ramirez, who served up his sixth home run in 18 2-3 innings, because Kyle Farnworth is hurt/terrible and Luis Vizcaino was used almost on an everyday basis earlier in the year. 按照以往,昨晚Joe Torre可以在第八局時,使用天天P上來接替小王,不過,他這次推的 是Ramirez,在他的18又2/3局投球裡頭,已經被敲出6發全壘打;只因為Kyle Farnworth 受傷,而Luis Vizcaino今年季初已經幾乎天天都使用。 To add insult to injury, Betemit struck out to end the game last night without swinging the bat. Yes, those calls were terrible, but you have to protect yourself up there. 雪上加霜的是,Betemit昨晚站著被三振,當然,這樣的判決是很糟糕沒錯,但是你昨晚 就應該在本壘版保護你自己 (意味著不應該站著被三振,而是要積極出棒先破壞掉)。 Today, Betemit struck out with runners at second and third and one out in the 10th inning. 今天第十局,當二,三壘有跑者,一出局時,Betemit又再度被三振。 Proctor could have been used in the seventh inning today with the task of protecting a 6-3 lead. Instead, Torre gave the ball to Veras and Ramirez who proceeded to blow the lead. For once, this isn’t Torre fault. He has no one else in the bullpen to use. 天天P可以在第七局上場,把6-3的優勢保護住,然而,Torre把球交給Veras和Ramirez 然後讓他們把領先局面搞砸,僅此一次,這一次不是Torre的錯,因為牛棚中沒有可以讓 他使用的人。 Betemit hasn’t been completely awful for the Yankees this season. He had some big hits for them when he first got here and his glove has been solid. 不過Betemit本季在洋基也不完全那麼糟,當他一開始剛到這裡時,也有幾次不錯的表現 ,且他的防守也蠻堅固的。 However, in a September pennant race, which player is more valuable: a utility infielder or a middle reliever? 然而,在九月的冠軍賽門票爭奪戰中,哪一個球員比較有價值呢? 是一個內野工具人還是一個中段後援投手? With Doug Mientkiewicz back from injury, Betemit is obsolete. 當Doug Mientkiewicz從傷兵回來後,Betemit被擱置一旁很少使用。 Proctor is 3-0 with a 2.93 ERA in 27 2-3 innings with the Dodgers since the trade on July 31. Betemit is 15-69 with four home runs and 20 RBIs as a Yankee. He has also struck out 26 times. 天天P在7/31被交易到道奇之後,27又2/3局裡頭,獲得3勝0負,防禦率2.93的成績, 而Betemit,69個打數15支安打,4發全壘打以及20分的打點;同時,也被三振了26次。 I didn’t understand the trade then, and I certainly don’t now. Hopefully Joba Chamberlain and Vizcaino will be able to get the job done in the playoffs, because that’s all they’ll have in middle relief. 我那時候無法理解這個交易,現在也還是一樣,希望張伯倫和Vizcaino季後賽能夠做好 他們的職責,因為他們倆扛的是中段後援的責任。 怎麼這麼正常 這不是我.... 來源:http://mvn.com/mlb-yankees/ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 59.116.10.81

09/23 14:58, , 1F
這位作者可能很想看投手進60-Day DL
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09/23 14:58, , 2F
這樣說也是沒錯,尤其對照擁擠的內野和冏冏的牛棚
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09/23 14:59, , 3F
其實天天P去道奇才是挽救他的手臂......
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09/23 15:00, , 4F
我也覺得天天P不應該被交易T_T
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09/23 15:00, , 5F
要把Vizcaino大部分的工作量堆在Proctor身上?進DL吧
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09/23 15:01, , 6F
把Cairo留著效果也不會差Betmit多少
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09/23 15:02, , 7F
我想Cashman這個決策是正確的
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09/23 15:03, , 8F
標準馬後砲文
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09/23 15:03, , 9F
我覺得他說的很有道理 Betmit今天拿香的時候 我真的傻眼
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09/23 15:05, , 10F
嚴格來講也沒錯 Betemit剛到洋基的表現或許是慶祝行情
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09/23 15:06, , 11F
我同意本文的看法
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09/23 15:06, , 12F
樓上Betmit今天不是拿香吧....最後一球是揮空三振
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09/23 15:06, , 13F
他的打擊率只有.224
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09/23 15:07, , 14F
Proctor沒走 這季可能根本看不到Joba
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09/23 15:08, , 15F
應該還是可以的,因為再操下去Proctor進DL的機會不小
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09/23 15:10, , 16F
馬後炮
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09/23 15:09, , 17F
把天天P移走JOBA才有位置沒錯 但是天天P可以每天操
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09/23 15:09, , 18F
請比較LAD跟NYY使用後援投手的方法,他的成績建立在有比
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09/23 15:10, , 19F
較充足的時間去休息
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09/23 15:10, , 20F
但是JOBA卻是兩天才能用一次 加上最近LV也是累了
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09/23 15:10, , 21F
不過若沒換Betmit的話上場打擊的會是Cairo,結果會比較好嗎?
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09/23 15:11, , 22F
他天天操絕對不會有這樣的好成績
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09/23 15:11, , 23F
Betemit還未滿26歲 而依Proctor使用量啥時會肩爆根本不知道
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09/23 15:12, , 24F
總之 我是支持天天P被換去道奇的 基於人道考量:) XDDD
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09/23 15:13, , 25F
好像也很久沒看到Proctor來這裡推文了...XD
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09/23 15:13, , 26F
你可以去道奇版看有沒有他出現 科~
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09/23 15:13, , 27F
因為兩場誇張的延長賽就否定這筆交易我覺得並不妥..
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09/23 15:15, , 28F
同意樓上,我覺得這是一筆對雙方(Proctor和洋基)都有利的交易
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09/23 15:14, , 29F
kaido你認真了 反正這也是這位作者自己的主觀 不用太認真
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09/23 15:15, , 30F
馬後炮文+1
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09/23 15:15, , 31F
每個人都可以有自己不同的觀點
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09/23 15:16, , 32F
個人也很喜歡Proctor,但Torre使用他的方式只會害了他而已
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09/23 15:16, , 33F
覺得天天P比放肆火穩說..
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09/23 15:19, , 34F
推人道考量XD Proctor留下來免洗早晚會炸掉
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09/23 15:22, , 35F
其實這作者是這系列才開始看洋基比賽!馬後炮放很大...
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09/23 15:26, , 36F
超級馬後炮,Betemit敲hr時怎麼沒有出來談這筆交易的好壞?
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09/23 15:26, , 37F
應該不是啦 他列的數據(15-69)是7/31交易之後的數據
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09/23 15:27, , 38F
作者的確有偏愛天天P 他自己也有承認
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09/23 15:27, , 39F
但是如果為了天天P的為來著想 洋基不該留著他繼續操
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09/23 15:28, , 40F
未來
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09/23 15:36, , 41F
我覺得去躲人對天天P是好的 但是很捨不得 Q_Q
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09/23 15:38, , 42F
Torre一直都有這個毛病:操壞自己信任的牛棚老鳥
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09/23 15:41, , 43F
原文是廢文 感謝翻譯
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09/23 15:47, , 44F
天天P交易對當事人及兩隊都是好事!!! 偉哉現金人!!!!!
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09/23 15:56, , 45F
其實說到操壞,天天P走了也只是換別人被操壞而已,說來說
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09/23 15:57, , 46F
去還是得有人被操壞,還不如留下來多個分擔被操壞風險的機뜠
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09/23 15:57, , 47F
會 XDXD 不過牛棚很囧是事實啊,工具人比較不那麼需要也
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09/23 15:58, , 48F
是事實啊,以Betemit的上場時數來說實在是不太划算....
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09/23 16:04, , 49F
樓上可以忍受Cairo的打擊就對了....
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09/23 16:05, , 50F
留下天天P 現在應該已經被Torre操傷了進DL去啦
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09/23 16:23, , 51F
重點是在時數ok??如果是正規選手也沒話講....
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09/23 16:24, , 52F
當然目前這樣的表現是不錯,但要是接下來幾次上場沒打好,
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09/23 16:25, , 53F
那會變成什麼狀況??不過這些都要看接下來的狀況了.
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09/23 16:26, , 54F
當然要是有內野手受傷的話,Betemit馬上就會變的很重要....
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09/23 16:39, , 55F
開羅今天5打數2安打 1支二壘打 (亂入)
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09/23 16:43, , 56F
事後文怎麼寫一定都對 誰知道天天p 會不會爆在洋基
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09/23 16:49, , 57F
推人道考量(茶)
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09/23 16:57, , 58F
愛他就要讓他走 這作者很明顯不懂這個道理
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09/23 17:00, , 59F
哪來那麼多早知道..早知道就不要簽下痛痛人啦
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09/23 17:02, , 60F
老實說我開始覺得天天K有被操壞的傾向了..
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09/23 17:03, , 61F
原來放肆火是有傷在身..所以今天掉了三分?
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※ 編輯: numblife 來自: 59.116.10.81 (09/23 17:09)

09/23 17:22, , 62F
吼 用免洗牛棚換來先發三壘或一壘手 賺超大 還嫌 吼
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09/23 17:50, , 63F
老實說這篇不是很有意義..只是Betemit真的該振奮些,簡單
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09/23 17:52, , 64F
說這篇重點就是對他的打擊能力不滿,如此而已......
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09/23 17:52, , 65F
如果打擊出色防守堅強,我想他也講不出這些廢話....
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09/23 19:42, , 66F
事實上剛來表現幾場好後 BETEMIT的打擊又回到在道奇的樣子了
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09/23 19:43, , 67F
AVG連0.22都不到 比開羅好不到那 除了炮管大隻點
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09/23 19:44, , 68F
當然要是是用BRUNEY KKK去換應該股掌叫好 但天用天天P去換
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09/23 19:45, , 69F
對照目前只有兩個半的RP群(MO LV 張伯倫投一休一)那真的太傷
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09/23 19:46, , 70F
難道如CASHMAN說的BETE是明年三壘備胎.鄉民 你們要嗎?課以嗎?
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09/23 19:50, , 71F
嘴砲 Betemit敲全壘打的時候都沒有這些話= =
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09/23 19:54, , 72F
樓上,要是Betemit沒打全壘打的話這篇文章會更早跑出來 XD
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09/23 19:53, , 73F
反正已經成事實了~.~且戰且走吧 貝特命應該是三游替補
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09/23 19:55, , 74F
不過要是天天P沒被交易,賈霸應該也不會上來
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09/23 19:58, , 75F
恩,其實Betemit砲管真的不小,今年223個打數有14支全壘打
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09/23 19:59, , 76F
46分打點,要是能穩定出賽的話成績不知道會不會更好??
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09/23 20:00, , 77F
不過目前沒啥空間能讓他穩定出賽,也不希望他能穩定出賽 XD
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09/23 20:00, , 78F
文章可能早就寫好了..等Betemit表現不好看情況丟出來XD
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09/23 20:36, , 79F
其實那時候有CAIRO 我也不贊成天天P走 現在變成天天LV ꜠
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09/23 20:36, , 80F
我們錢多吧
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09/23 20:39, , 81F
Cairo的打擊不能比吧...
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09/23 20:39, , 82F
逢低買入逢高賣出,這樣交易明明就是有賺
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09/23 23:59, , 83F
其實這是大二學生寫的球迷觀點..不用戰起來吧
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09/24 01:17, , 84F
哭哭Q_Q
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