[新聞] The great debate on CMW continues

看板NY-Yankees作者 (什麼樣的生日....)時間18年前 (2007/12/13 19:24), 編輯推噓25(25012)
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  The great debate on CMW continues   Here is an e-mail I just received. It was, of course, anonymous:      Wang doesn’t strike anyone out and depends on the ridiculous number of   groundballs he’s able to create being turned into outs. This is not a   reliable strategy that will produce consistent results over a career.   It is working in the short term, but as Bill James as pointed out in the   past, no pitcher with a K/9 below the league average has gone on to have   a meaningful career. He’s in no way in the same class as someone like   Beckett and is most definitely not an ace. Unless he develops a legit   strikeout pitch there will always be the risk that the groundballs get   through and he’ll have bad starts. He can’t be counted on in the   playoffs.   So, the 417.1 innings Wang has pitched the last two seasons are a   short-term mirage. His going 38-13 is a sign of not having a reliable   strategy. But the 5.2 poor innings he had in the playoffs, those are a   sign that he can’t be counted on.   I think I got my first Bill James report in 1988 and I just received his   2008 Handbook in the mail. His approach is endlessly fascinating. But   when the statheads like my anonymous friend leave no room for humanity is   where they lose me.   Wang has made only 80 starts in his career, most with two pitches. I’ve   stood there and watched him work on other pitches in the bullpen. I’ve   talked to him at length about it. He knows people sit on his sinker. Did   you know that his slider was his best pitch in college but the Yankees had   him dump it when he had shoulder issues? Now he’s healthy and he’s   working on it again. He also is doing a lot of work on a changeup.   This guy shows up every five days, he pitches deep into games and he has   handled almost every big-game assignment with aplomb. Why people insist   on running him down remains a mystery to me.   ————   A few of my Taiwanese friends have told me that the blog is getting some   play in Taiwan tonight. So hello to you guys and thanks for reading.   News source:http://0rz.tw/f13ox   翻譯:http://0rz.tw/833rs -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 218.167.200.194

12/13 19:37, , 1F
hi~I'm here~ XDDD
12/13 19:37, 1F

12/13 19:44, , 2F
翻譯推!
12/13 19:44, 2F

12/13 19:52, , 3F
pv季後賽成績超慘+今年關鍵加賽又爆..可是也沒影響薪水..
12/13 19:52, 3F

12/13 19:53, , 4F
為啥王就會這麼被放大檢視呢?
12/13 19:53, 4F

12/13 20:00, , 5F
可能因為王是亞洲人又是這樣極端的特例吧
12/13 20:00, 5F

12/13 20:03, , 6F
或許王在洋基 PV在教士吧 兩隊打線是LP比雞腿..
12/13 20:03, 6F

12/13 20:05, , 7F
我是覺得王已做好他的本分了..只是洋基近年投手太鳥..大家
12/13 20:05, 7F

12/13 20:06, , 8F
才會把目光全部放在他那....也都拿放大鏡看他的成績吧
12/13 20:06, 8F

12/13 20:08, , 9F
我覺得因為他是個以過去的統計數據很難解釋的特例吧
12/13 20:08, 9F

12/13 20:15, , 10F
亞洲人論又出來囉
12/13 20:15, 10F

12/13 20:19, , 11F
他是名門洋基本質上的Ace 數據又特殊 當然放大鏡檢視
12/13 20:19, 11F

12/13 20:20, , 12F
如果明年Santana能來 王當2號SP 就比較不會讓人"關注"
12/13 20:20, 12F

12/13 20:49, , 13F
不看三振 但還是覺得王的ERA偏高 排名只有20多 雖然前面很多
12/13 20:49, 13F

12/13 20:50, , 14F
國聯的
12/13 20:50, 14F

12/13 20:52, , 15F
其實我對Peter這麼幫王講好話很感興趣:P 真不知道為什麼XD
12/13 20:52, 15F

12/13 21:28, , 16F
樓上, 因為滿滿的愛
12/13 21:28, 16F

12/13 21:26, , 17F
如果小王能把慢速的變化球練得跟他的sinker一樣,成績
12/13 21:26, 17F

12/13 21:28, , 18F
應該就可以讓那些人閉嘴~缺少破壞打者的速度感應該是小
12/13 21:28, 18F

12/13 21:29, , 19F
王要更進化必備的東西
12/13 21:29, 19F

12/13 21:32, , 20F
王被放大檢視唯一的原因只有:這是王板
12/13 21:32, 20F

12/13 21:34, , 21F
這是洋基板啦= =b 我的意思是這干peavy什麼事
12/13 21:34, 21F

12/13 22:02, , 22F
我比較好奇如果王明年再拿15勝以上,數據派專家會說甚麼
12/13 22:02, 22F

12/13 22:04, , 23F
數據專家千百種 你期待聽到什麼話?
12/13 22:04, 23F

12/13 22:06, , 24F
其實季後賽表現不好的都會被罵拉,祇是大家不會去注意而已.
12/13 22:06, 24F

12/13 22:08, , 25F
Mirage...那麻煩再來個380-130 10years-term的mirage 科科
12/13 22:08, 25F

12/13 22:10, , 26F
20
12/13 22:10, 26F

12/13 22:14, , 27F
個人以為,數據專家過去的說法其實都很統一
12/13 22:14, 27F

12/13 22:45, , 28F
感謝翻譯
12/13 22:45, 28F

12/13 23:06, , 29F
為什麼大家總是要貶低他的價值?這也讓我百思不得其解啊!
12/13 23:06, 29F

12/13 23:18, , 30F
按照Kevin Brown的發展模式,王打滿十年就會練出K博士了XD
12/13 23:18, 30F

12/13 23:21, , 31F
感謝翻譯
12/13 23:21, 31F

12/13 23:38, , 32F
說真的很搞笑的是,王用的是所謂球路不夠的RP模式在先發
12/13 23:38, 32F

12/13 23:40, , 33F
球路單調加上速球多用到很誇張的地步,以這種方式先發讓人
12/13 23:40, 33F

12/13 23:41, , 34F
崇拜到一種地步:P 根本是MLB怪傑
12/13 23:41, 34F

12/14 00:28, , 35F
翻譯好像有點小錯..bill james是一個棒球作家吧
12/14 00:28, 35F

12/14 00:36, , 36F
Bill James是個超級數據頭~
12/14 00:36, 36F

12/14 10:27, , 37F
感謝指正..已經更改翻譯的內容了..多謝~~
12/14 10:27, 37F
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