[洋基] The Bronx Zoo: Open for business

看板NY-Yankees作者 (null)時間18年前 (2008/04/22 06:33), 編輯推噓52(52043)
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http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/21/the-bronx-zoo-open-for-business/ If Brian Cashman is the GM of the Phillies or Nationals or some other team next season, remember this day. 如果Cashman下一季變成費城人、國民隊、或其他球隊的經理, 請記得這天。 Hank Steinbrenner told the New York Times that Joba Chamberlain needs to be in the rotation now. As in right now. 小老闆告訴紐約時報,Chamberlain必須現在就在先發輪值裡,「現在」。 That’s fine. Then by Aug. 15 when he has reached his innings limit, Kei Igawa can take over. Or maybe on July 15 when he has Tommy John surgery. The Yankees have a plan to transition Joba into the rotation and it doesn’t call for a rash move on April 21. 那好。那麼在8/15前,當Chamberlain達到整季局數上限時,井川慶就可以接他的位置, 或者也可能在7/15那天動刀進行韌帶重建手術。洋基對Chamberlain從牛棚移到先發是 有一套計畫的,這計畫並不是魯莽地在4/21把他拉進輪值。 Then this from Hank: “The mistake was already made last year switching him to the bullpen out of panic or whatever. I had no say in it last year and I wouldn’t have allowed it. That was done last year, so now we have to catch up.” 小老闆說:我們上季犯了一個錯誤─把他放在牛棚。我去年沒評論甚麼,也不該允許 這件事。那已經發生了,所以現在得修正。 That’s fine, as well. The alternative would have been trading prospects for Eric Gagne then not making the playoffs. That sounds like a good plan. Or continuing to use Kyle Farnsworth in the eighth inning. How did that work? 那也好。這樣去年的替代方案就會是拿新秀換Gagne然後打不進季後賽,那聽起來是個 好計畫。或者繼續讓Farnsworth投第八局─那怎麼行呢? It’s a simple math equation. Joba pitched 89 innings for Nebraska in 2006 because he was injured. Therefore, his innings in 2007 had to be carefully monitored to minimize the risk of further injury. Because he was so successful as a minor-league starter, Joba would haave reached his innings cap in August. 這是一個簡單的數學等式。2006年Joba在Nebraska因傷只投了89局,因此,為了使 進一步受傷的風險降到最低,他在2007年的投球局數被小心翼翼地控管。因為他在 小聯盟的先發是如此成功,Joba早該在八月份就達到局數限制。 So to fill a need in the majors and give the kid more experience, he was temporarily made into a reliever. Joba finished the season with a total of 116 innings. 因此,為了填補當時洋基的需求並給那個孩子更多經驗,他暫時擔任救援,整季結束 一共投了116局。 Now he can probably pitch about 150 innings this season. Any more and you greatly increase the odds of injury based on a number of studies of pitchers in their early 20s. Perhaps you have heard of Francisco Liriano, Mark Prior, etc. 現在本季他大約能投150局。根據一些針對20出頭的投手做的研究,投得更多等於是 大大地增加受傷的變數。也許你已經聽過Francisco Liriano, Mark Prior等人的故事。 So the Yankees will start Joba in the pen, use him for one or two innings at a time and then put him in the rotation in July. It’s really not that complicated. 所以洋基在一開季把Joba放在牛棚,一場比賽投個一兩局,然後在七月份再放進先發裡。 這個計畫一點都不複雜難懂。 Why Hank would cause such problems for Cashman and Joe Girardi this early in the season isn’t clear. But the Steinbrenner family owns the team and they can do whatever they want. 小老闆這麼早就給Cashman和Girardi製造問題的原因不明,但Steinbrenner家族擁有 球隊,他們可以做任何事。 Cashman has already said today that Joba would remain in the bullpen and they will follow the plan in place. I would imagine Hal Steinbrenner has been called in to try and add a little reason to the mix. 今天Cashman已經說Joba會留在牛棚,繼續照原定計畫走下去。我可以想像Hal Steinbrener 已接到試著跟他解釋這個混合方案的電話了。 But if this sort of exchange is going to define how the Yankees are run, why would Cashman stick around? One thing for certain: the 29 other teams love it. 但如果這樣的高層往來正定義洋基運轉的方式,為何Cashman還留在這呢?一件確定的事 是:其他29隊絕對愛死這個劇場。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 69.137.224.122

04/22 06:37, , 1F
洋基真衰 莫名其妙女婿離婚 讓這爛咖接班
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04/22 06:38, , 2F
張伯倫春訓不是有先發過嗎 並不出色 他好像也有用球數過多
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04/22 06:39, , 3F
問題 投個5局交給牛棚 老方 HAWINKS 他們 就能贏嗎
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※ 編輯: shirlyfen 來自: 69.137.224.122 (04/22 06:40)

04/22 06:42, , 4F
簡單來說就是家族企業不尊重專業經理人
04/22 06:42, 4F

04/22 06:51, , 5F
最後一句真是中肯。
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04/22 06:54, , 6F
我似乎聽見了其他隊GM在看這篇文章時科科笑的聲音..
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04/22 06:57, , 7F
外行領導內行,偏偏他還是老闆之ㄧ......
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04/22 06:58, , 8F
還好Hal不會這麼亂來,總算是不幸中的大幸.
04/22 06:58, 8F
※ 編輯: shirlyfen 來自: 69.137.224.122 (04/22 07:01)

04/22 07:03, , 9F
財大氣粗!
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04/22 07:19, , 10F
這位公子狀況外的也太悉翹了...這計畫不早就知道了嗎?
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04/22 07:22, , 11F
怎麼現在忽然放炮??
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04/22 07:29, , 12F
公子也只是鄉民一隻,只是球隊是他家的而已
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04/22 07:37, , 13F
好沒耐心的小老闆 =_=
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04/22 09:10, , 14F
他在玩現實的MVP
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04/22 09:16, , 15F
外行干涉內行 NYY的教練團還真可憐調度要聽老闆的
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04/22 09:32, , 16F
Boss:馬上就要好!!!!!!!!!
04/22 09:32, 16F

04/22 09:35, , 17F
老闆還是蠢豬一隻
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04/22 10:09, , 18F
現金人:來人啊,餵公子吃餅 (誤)
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04/22 10:19, , 19F
史公子 有些事是不能唬的.
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04/22 10:21, , 20F
這老闆真討厭= =
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04/22 10:24, , 21F
老闆其實也是鄉民...
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04/22 10:26, , 22F
Joba 移回輪值這個 idea 是正確的, 只是講的方法不對
04/22 10:26, 22F

04/22 10:27, , 23F
洋基農場不缺可能養成牛的, 但有能力進輪值中前段的不多
04/22 10:27, 23F

04/22 10:29, , 24F
老闆講一次話就捅出兩個漏子, 真的是嫌麻煩不夠多
04/22 10:29, 24F

04/22 11:00, , 25F
有哪隊農場是缺牛的?
04/22 11:00, 25F

04/22 11:02, , 26F
當然有, 要不然就不會有牛棚殘破還補不起來的球隊
04/22 11:02, 26F

04/22 11:03, , 27F
洋基牛棚好嗎?
04/22 11:03, 27F

04/22 11:04, , 28F
至少現階段沒有大問題, 有問題的部份也不是那麼好處理
04/22 11:04, 28F

04/22 11:05, , 29F
牛棚除了MO 那個能讓人放心..?洋基農場有那麼好嗎?
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04/22 11:06, , 31F
現在的問題是, 拿幾百萬的表現甚至比基本薪的還不穩定
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04/22 11:06, , 32F
被kauw插進去了XD,每隊都是這樣吧
04/22 11:06, 32F

04/22 11:07, , 33F
但是位子都卡死了又沒辦法動, 只得想辦法作有限的利用
04/22 11:07, 33F

04/22 11:09, , 34F
ColbyRasmus兄 SORRY..@@
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04/22 11:09, , 35F
位子被卡住不是問題,農作物現階段上不上得來才是問題
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04/22 11:10, , 36F
沒關係,大家還是看得懂(應該吧)
04/22 11:10, 36F

04/22 11:10, , 37F
為何這幾年買來洋基的投手都表現不好 ?美東太強焊?
04/22 11:10, 37F

04/22 11:10, , 38F
當然上的來, 只是你要把錢丟到水溝裡讓他們上來嗎
04/22 11:10, 38F

04/22 11:11, , 39F
OK啊,洋基不是錢多嗎?
04/22 11:11, 39F

04/22 11:13, , 40F
最近幾年買來的沒有"都不好", 只是扛不住原先設定的角色
04/22 11:13, 40F

04/22 11:18, , 41F
應該說"洋基農場不缺能夠馬上進牛棚幫忙的"可能比較精確
04/22 11:18, 41F

04/22 11:24, , 42F
嗯,例如誰呢?
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04/22 11:25, , 43F
KKK ?
04/22 11:25, 43F

04/22 11:28, , 44F
問這個的人不會自己去 SWB 看嗎?
04/22 11:28, 44F

04/22 11:28, , 45F
KKK不錯,但要再觀察
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04/22 11:28, , 46F
不,是您提出的,就麻煩您說一些人選
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04/22 11:33, , 47F
喔,我前面說的是"農作物",不要提一些veterans
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04/22 11:36, , 48F
你自己想一下之前的主題是什麼, 再想想為什麼只限農作物
04/22 11:36, 48F

04/22 11:37, , 49F
這樣就想引戰也太弱了吧
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04/22 11:40, , 50F
我幹嘛引戰?是好奇哪隊農場缺牛?
04/22 11:40, 50F

04/22 11:41, , 51F
現在在講的是 Joba 移先發, 能馬上補上來你管他是哪來的
04/22 11:41, 51F

04/22 11:42, , 52F
prospect 資料球季前就一大堆, 還不希望好貨進牛棚咧
04/22 11:42, 52F

04/22 11:45, , 53F
其他農場prospect資料球季前也一大堆,為什麼偏偏就
04/22 11:45, 53F

04/22 11:45, , 54F
只有貴隊不缺呢?
04/22 11:45, 54F

04/22 11:48, , 55F
prospect裡通常都是很有潛力的"年輕"球員 不一定是即戰力
04/22 11:48, 55F

04/22 11:48, , 56F
這還不是想引戰簡直是把人當笨蛋, 要自己爽請便
04/22 11:48, 56F

04/22 11:49, , 57F
到底是誰想戰= =?
04/22 11:49, 57F

04/22 11:48, , 58F
就以SWB近兩年的表現來說 可以勉強拉上來的是不少啦
04/22 11:48, 58F

04/22 11:49, , 59F
不,我是想問問題啊。可以請您提出那些資料裡可當及
04/22 11:49, 59F

04/22 11:49, , 60F
花了那麼多錢打成這個樣子 病急亂投醫的心態也是可理解的
04/22 11:49, 60F

04/22 11:50, , 61F
對於只是想來找碴的人, 還是請自己去查
04/22 11:50, 61F

04/22 11:50, , 62F
有哪些人可以馬上幫忙一點也不難找, 不需要在這裡噴口水
04/22 11:50, 62F

04/22 11:50, , 63F
戰力的有哪些"prospects"嗎?
04/22 11:50, 63F

04/22 11:51, , 64F
至於農場真正的好物, 我想還沒有人希望看到他們進牛棚
04/22 11:51, 64F

04/22 11:52, , 65F
這也是問題的起點, 為什麼 Joba 調回輪值是較聰明的決定
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04/22 11:53, , 66F
想酸洋基 prospect 就明白說, 不必在無關的話題硬是要扯
04/22 11:53, 66F

04/22 11:53, , 67F
我沒有要酸啊,我只想說洋基目前的小朋友還沒到非上
04/22 11:53, 67F

04/22 11:54, , 68F
來不可的時候y
04/22 11:54, 68F

04/22 11:55, , 69F
有人說要拉好物上來嗎? 最接近的一個現在可是在 DL
04/22 11:55, 69F

04/22 11:55, , 70F
我從沒看不起貴隊農場,只是其他隊農場也不是破爛
04/22 11:55, 70F

04/22 11:57, , 71F
所以我沒酸啊,我只說還不用上來啊
04/22 11:57, 71F

04/22 11:57, , 72F
請問其它隊農場與主題有關嗎? 這連結是你自己要建立的
04/22 11:57, 72F

04/22 11:57, , 73F
至於 SWB 有沒有人馬上可以幫忙, 真想查早查完了還用問
04/22 11:57, 73F

04/22 11:57, , 74F
推 birdy590:當然有, 要不然就不會有牛棚殘破還補不起
04/22 11:57, 74F

04/22 11:58, , 75F
起來的球隊
04/22 11:58, 75F

04/22 11:58, , 76F
那是回答"哪隊農場是缺牛的", 缺牛為什麼要拉 prospect
04/22 11:58, 76F

04/22 11:58, , 77F
我不想查啊,所以才問啊
04/22 11:58, 77F

04/22 11:59, , 78F
事實上真的有啊 去年上半季的洋基不就是了
04/22 11:59, 78F

04/22 11:59, , 79F
紅雀就拉了喔
04/22 11:59, 79F

04/22 12:01, , 80F
那是沒有 OK 繃或是破洞太大用 OK 繃補不起來
04/22 12:01, 80F

04/22 12:00, , 81F
現在洋基確實不缺牛 但是setup man暫時沒人補啊 才剛開季
04/22 12:00, 81F

04/22 12:02, , 82F
這種東西 SWB 多的是, 反而接近 ready 的 prospect 缺貨
04/22 12:02, 82F

04/22 12:03, , 83F
所以囉
04/22 12:03, 83F

04/22 12:03, , 84F
Hawkins 爬不起來才是真麻煩, 期望補洞的反而變成一個洞
04/22 12:03, 84F

04/22 12:04, , 85F
那跟原來的問題還是無關, 拉 prospet 才是不得已非常狀況
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04/22 12:04, , 86F
有事要走無法繼續討論,基本上球隊農場有人可補的話
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04/22 12:05, , 87F
是不會放上面的人繼續挖洞的,Hawkins您可以先看他去
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04/22 12:06, , 88F
年季初的表現,老方被罵不是一天兩天的事了
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04/22 12:06, , 89F
真有人可以補上那空缺花一點錢我想對洋基是花得來
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04/22 12:07, , 90F
隔壁豬腳麵都是7局投手了 洋基要調張伯倫 也要等新setup
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04/22 12:07, , 91F
練起來再說吧
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04/22 14:58, , 92F
老闆可能以為他現在 在打電動吧!
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04/22 15:41, , 93F
BOSS:有錢就是要花
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04/22 19:50, , 94F
科科.鄉民真是可惜啊..只是沒錢而已 ..不然每個都是proGM喔
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04/23 11:19, , 95F
推最後一句
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