[新聞] Yankees - Signed Teixeira

看板NY-Yankees作者 (pika)時間17年前 (2008/12/25 01:31), 編輯推噓79(790173)
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http://tinyurl.com/75zpkl New York Yankees - Signed 1B Mark Teixeira to an 8-year, $180 million contract. I'm not a Yankees fan and I can't envision a scenario in which I'd root for the team. However, the strongest advocates of a salary cap, the ones ranting about salaries in light of the economy, are full of hot air. And something else, but the site nanny won't let me say it. MLB's revenues have been exploding since 2003 and player salaries have simply not matched this increase in revenues. In 2003, players in baseball made 63% of league revenues. In 2008, that number appears to be 52% of league revenues, or less than any of the other major professional leagues in the US, which all have salary caps. For decades, wonks, wags, and wigs have told us that player salaries drive upward ticket prices and that arguments about supply and demand are theoretical constructs for an imaginary world. But in the real world, during a time in which the player's slice of the pie has dropped tremendously (a $400 million loss of the pie in 2008 alone, relative to 2003), ticket prices have continued to gone up unabated. Just as expected, savings from limiting the salaries of those mean old players have been filtered directly into the pockets of owners. Owners who cry poverty and get welfare stadiums. Republicans talked about welfare queens 15 years ago, but it would take thousands of so-called queens driving around in taxpayer Cadillacs to match some of the true members of that category. Take Jeff Loria, who pockets revenue-sharing money and then turns around and gets an additional honeypot in the form an apparently imminent fancy-new stadium. If MLB owners were in charge of the TARP funds, the $700 billion would already be completely gone and the sycophantic media, ever-hungry for prestige, quotes, and free pastrami on rye, would blame it on pay raises for local janitorial staff. Now, to the Yankees. I've been stalling on saying nice things about the team, but I guess I've got to bite the bullet and get it over with. The Yankees have a mindset that is good for baseball and the US would be better off if more companies possessed the Yankee mindset. The Yankees do spend more money than other teams in MLB, but the differences would be less drastic if the payrolls of many teams had been rising up to the waves of new cash that have entered baseball in recent years. Going by the NFL formula, very generous considering the MLBPA is far more powerful an entity than any other union in sports, the payroll floor for 2009 would almost certainly be in the $100 million range. 58% of league revenue, as the players in NFL get, would be, in baseball, an average team payroll of a hair under $120 million. It's pretty clear that while the Yankees are outspending everyone comfortably, the rest of baseball has just as much to do with the payroll disparity as the Yankees do. Now, what about the Yankee mindset? The Steinbrenners aren't anywhere near as rich or as liquid as some other owners in baseball such as Carl Pohlad of the Twins. The difference is that the Steinbrenners have always invested in their team, always striven to put the best product possible out on the field. The Yankees have certainly made some terrible trades, especially when King George was hands-on the most, but they were done with the motive of making the team better. Yes, the Yankees got a huge, undeserved payday from the locals for their stadium, like most teams in baseball did, but it's a mitigating factor that they're actually plowing those funds back into the on-field product. And the team never threatened to not compete until they got their sweet check. Perhaps a small difference, but I see it as a good bit more ethical than Kevin McClatchy demanding taxpayer moneys to help the Pirates compete and then turn around and use all the money to fund his failing media empire Now, what about Mark Teixeira? The benefits of Teixeira are pretty obvious, he's a fine defensive 1B who hits very well and should be a relatively safe bet for the Yankees over the course of his contract. He's not A-Rod or peak Manny, but Teixeira's a very good player and while he may only be a bit above-average by his mid-30s, $22.5 million likely won't be exorbitant for an average player on the FA market in 2016. Arte Moreno may get to have the personal satisfaction of feeling like the injured party, but this is what Tex was going to make when the Angels acquired him and if they weren't going to play serious ball, the Angels should never have done the Kotchman trade. Perhaps they'll change the rules of baseball during the season and allow moral victories to win games, minimizing the damage that the team offense, 10th in the AL in runs with a huge couple of months of Teixeira thrown in, can do. ZiPS Projection - Mark Teixeira ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Year AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2009 545 101 159 37 1 28 115 83 103 2 .292 .392 .517 137 2010 552 99 165 37 1 31 114 90 104 1 .299 .402 .538 145 2011 536 95 157 34 1 29 110 90 99 0 .293 .399 .522 141 2012 537 92 154 34 1 26 102 90 102 0 .287 .394 .499 134 2013 533 87 148 34 1 24 97 87 104 0 .278 .384 .480 126 2014 540 87 150 34 1 24 95 88 106 0 .278 .384 .478 126 2015 529 82 144 33 1 21 88 84 103 0 .272 .377 .457 119 2016 529 80 143 32 1 20 84 83 102 0 .270 .375 .448 116 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 125.224.4.137 ※ 編輯: pikachu123 來自: 125.224.4.137 (12/25 01:32)

12/25 01:33, , 1F
推 感謝提供
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12/25 01:34, , 2F
一路退化= =?
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12/25 01:35, , 3F
年紀大了預測退化是正常的巴
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12/25 01:36, , 4F
8年之後耶,算算那時候我也34了,不知道那時候還剩誰(誤)XD
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12/25 01:38, , 5F
8年之後我也27了,正好投入自由市場挑戰一下!
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12/25 01:38, , 6F
樓上趕快回去睡覺
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12/25 01:40, , 7F
看到紅勾勾害我期待了一下 想說又簽誰了
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12/25 01:41, , 8F
樓上不要太期待 最近廢文也很多...
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12/25 01:41, , 9F
zips的預測多半會低估,看看就好
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12/25 01:41, , 10F
看到樓上嚇了我一跳=..=
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12/25 01:41, , 11F
7樓XD
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12/25 01:42, , 12F
稍微低估 但也不離譜就是了 從32歲之後掉得也太快
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12/25 01:43, , 13F
像鐵爺這種有耐心BA又高的選手退化不是比較慢嗎?
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12/25 01:44, , 14F
況且他又是1B,這預估真的是有點太低了...
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12/25 01:44, , 15F
後幾年obp和長打率都還有討論空間...
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12/25 01:46, , 16F
不覺得會退化那麼快
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12/25 01:52, , 17F
以後只剩DH可以給大家養老了...
12/25 01:52, 17F

12/25 01:57, , 18F
沒辦法防守 才會去DH 打擊要退化比防守快 難喔
12/25 01:57, 18F

12/25 02:05, , 19F
感覺退化的太快了吧!他應該不會跟技安一樣來個東山再
12/25 02:05, 19F

12/25 02:05, , 20F
起獎吧!
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12/25 02:07, , 21F
以一個選球非常好的打者, 不認為他的 AVG 會掉那麼快
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12/25 02:07, , 22F
不覺得會退化這麼快+1
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12/25 02:09, , 23F
如果襪子簽走,就會覺得退化這麼快XD
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12/25 02:11, , 24F
對照之前襪子敢開八年,或許他們的FO也認為不會退化得那麼快
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12/25 02:12, , 25F
那是因為沒有開八年簽不到
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12/25 02:14, , 26F
我是指襪子的態度,之前像是Pedro及Damon的例子很明顯。
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12/25 02:15, , 27F
襪子態度不就是覺得8年太長嗎..........
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12/25 02:16, , 28F
覺得太長他們敢提8年的合約嗎
12/25 02:16, 28F

12/25 02:17, , 29F
那是因為沒有開八年簽不到
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12/25 02:18, , 30F
我的意思是:如果預估他會退化的話,就不會給那麼長的合約。
12/25 02:18, 30F

12/25 02:18, , 31F
那是因為沒有開八年簽不到
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12/25 02:19, , 32F
我不認為完全是比價的原因...鐵爺這種類型退化通常沒這麼快
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12/25 02:20, , 33F
加上襪子似乎比較現實的作風 後兩年留個退化的選手佔1B?
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12/25 02:20, , 34F
我的看法同argoth兄。
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12/25 02:22, , 35F
而且他們的農場也有可替補的選手在 加上賣肉的約不是
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12/25 02:23, , 36F
這麼好處理(ntc) 這麼多的考量在還願意提八年 表示他們也
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12/25 02:23, , 37F
約越長,後期退化受傷的機率是漸漸升高的...
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12/25 02:23, , 38F
不認為鐵爺會在八年內有明顯退化吧?
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12/25 02:23, , 39F
當然,那是一定的。但我是從襪子FO的態度來判斷。
12/25 02:23, 39F
還有 173 則推文
12/25 03:58, , 213F
你可以去問問你的"大家"啊。我很期待。
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12/25 03:58, , 214F
紅襪比較小心,所以提了一個每年薪資高,但只有六年的offer
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12/25 03:59, , 215F
後來或許他們認為八年是值得的,所以也跟進。
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12/25 03:59, , 216F
就因為紅襪的FO一向較謹慎,所以他們不願簽到一個球員在最後
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12/25 04:00, , 217F
所以你計較我說的8y不用談吧,ok,我認錯
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12/25 04:00, , 218F
我改成 少於八年合約成功簽下的機率實在很困難
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12/25 04:00, , 219F
幾年嚴重退化而且還得花大錢。從他們不願和Pedro續約及Damon
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12/25 04:01, , 220F
堅持只和他簽3年,多一年也不肯的例子看得出來。
12/25 04:01, 220F

12/25 04:01, , 221F
全都你在說,一下覺得8y太冒險,一下變成8y值得的
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12/25 04:02, , 222F
你可不可以把我的話看完先?
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12/25 04:03, , 223F
八年對任何球隊來說都很冒險,但他們"評估"過,八年可以跟進
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12/25 04:03, , 224F
所以也跟進了。絕對和你"原本"說的經紀人堅持這種說法兜不上
12/25 04:03, 224F

12/25 04:04, , 225F
我不是計較,我只是認為說話應該要有所根據,我看乳摸那麼久
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12/25 04:05, , 226F
從來沒看過這樣的說法。連傳聞也無,拿這個來反駁我,我實在
12/25 04:05, 226F

12/25 04:05, , 227F
1%跟0%也這麼計較
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12/25 04:05, , 228F
不能接受。更何況你最後還用一個"大家"。
12/25 04:05, 228F

12/25 04:06, , 229F
我計較的是有跟沒有。
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12/25 04:07, , 230F
晚了,作結論XD 我想說的是,你的說法實在太薄弱了
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12/25 04:07, , 231F
再薄弱也有所根據,你的根據呢?
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12/25 04:07, , 232F
幹麻計較的是有跟沒有,通常最後放大絕都是"不是不可能"
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12/25 04:08, , 233F
沒有發生過的事你拿來反駁別人還那麼理直氣壯?
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12/25 04:09, , 234F
根據是6y要簽下來的機會實在可以說低到沒有.
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12/25 04:10, , 235F
我沒放什麼大絕,一切就是依照過去的紀錄及乳摸來談。
12/25 04:10, 235F

12/25 04:11, , 236F
那不叫根據,那是你的看法。如果這是你的看法我接受,但如果
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12/25 04:11, , 237F
說這叫根據,也只是根據你個人的看法而已。
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12/25 04:11, , 238F
前面有提過了,最後接受的人是球員。
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12/25 04:12, , 239F
你offer低,願意簽短約都是球員的意向問題。否則金鶯就不會
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12/25 04:13, , 240F
以離家鄉近這種方式來吸引鐵爺(當然最後沒有成功)。
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12/25 06:55, , 241F
兩位竟然可以一路從2點戰到4點...XD
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12/25 07:01, , 242F
我笑了 XD
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12/25 07:39, , 243F
戰這個有屁用,反正怎麼戰鐵爺還不都在Bronx
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12/25 07:41, , 244F
不會因為戰贏了Teix就飛到新英格蘭去啦
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12/25 08:46, , 245F
睡醒看到這篇推文真的嘴角上揚 :)
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12/25 08:50, , 246F
本來也不想戰的= =
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12/25 08:52, , 247F
我推kelvin大的推文 哈哈
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12/25 09:59, , 248F
哈哈 自己說自己的
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12/25 10:14, , 249F
耶誕夜的宅怨真的很重
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12/25 10:32, , 250F
如果是被襪子帶走,就什麼都不用戰了,等著被轟吧
12/25 10:32, 250F

12/25 19:01, , 251F
看看合約 一點都不...
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12/26 00:45, , 252F
科...跳針跳針
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