Lost: the Velocity and Command of Joba Chamberlain

看板NY-Yankees作者時間16年前 (2009/10/09 09:37), 編輯推噓53(53028)
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http://www.baseball-intellect.com/lost-the-velocity-and-command-of-joba-chamberlain/ I was asked by a few people to diagnose the problems of Joba Chamberlain. I went to the tape and didn’t really see anything that looked like an obvious problem. Joba’s problems persisted and I saw a Buster Olney blog entry detailing Joba ’s velocity decline (Insider-only), so I decided to take another look and I think might have found something. I’ll also be ignoring the yo-yo act the Yankees have used with Joba. Should he be in the rotation or should he be put in the pen? To use Joba rules or not? I’m sure he’s been mentally all over the place and that’s had something to do with his performance, but for this piece, we’ll ignore that factor. Now, let’s compare Joba from September this year to Joba back in the middle of last season… 2008 Joba is on the left, 2009 Joba is on the right. First thing I notice are the hands…as Joba lifts his knee, the hands in 2009 lift with it while in 2008 they stay steady. That’s why in 2009, at the point the knee starts to drop, Joba’s hands are up by his head and in 2008 they are out in front of his chest. So right off the bat, we see a subtle change that might have an impact on his timing. Joba actually breaks his hands (when the ball breaks from the glove) a couple frames earlier in 2008 than 2009. In 2009, Joba lowers the hands and then breaks. In 2008, Joba broke his hands and then they kinda hover there. This is something I detailed last time I looked at Chamberlain. It’s an adjustment I think he made in hopes of improving his timing, which in turn would help his command. The hands hovered as Joba started striding. In 2009, the hands also hover, but they don’t hover for as long a period. The reason for this is because his hands are higher from the start, so the time it took for them to lower ate into the time that his hands were supposed to hover. Hopefully that make sense. Now, there are postural, hip turn, and arm action difference. Here are some of those changes… 1. Chamberlain in 2008 is a bit more seated. 2. Take the clip below and watch the front leg… It looks like there is a bigger, more forceful step over move in 2008. That is something that could make an impact from a velocity standpoint. In fact, just comparing his pitches from his last start, when he would throw in the upper 80’s – low 90’s, there was less of step-over move than when he threw 93 or 94. 3. For the clips below, focus on the arm action… In the 2008 version, as Joba is making that step-over move, watch the arm action really start to load. The elbow goes up with a little bend. Compare it to 2009…the arm swings back a bit, but it’s still pretty straight and it hasn’t really begun to load. So Joba loads his arm later in the process and this creates a timing problem. Now, I think a pitcher’s “timing” is subjective. Some regard a problem in timing as just the throwing arm not being vertical prior to the front foot landing. That’s not really true, however. I’ll keep try to keep this simple because there are a lot of variables here… despite the fact that Joba has always been borderline as to whether he gets the arm up to vertical before the front foot lands, he’s been able to generate pitches of high velocities and command them for the most part. When you’re able to combine high velocities with command, it’s a sign of mechanical efficiency, not a problem in timing. Proper timing for one pitcher may not be proper timing for another. But what happens when something is altered in a mechanically efficient pitcher? It’s what you’d expect…you see a decline in velocity and a deterioration of command…in Joba’s case, the arm is later in 2009. The timing of each sequence in the kinetic chain is thrown off. So what advice do I have for Joba? It’s pretty simple…go back to what made you successful. Sit down a little more, keep your hands low, aggressively step-over into foot plant, and the timing should correct itself. The changes themselves won’t be too hard to implement, but Joba has to know what’s wrong first. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.5.3

10/09 09:38, , 1F
原來是這樣阿
10/09 09:38, 1F

10/09 09:43, , 2F
樓上直接END被我抓到了!!!
10/09 09:43, 2F

10/09 09:44, , 3F
樓上直接END也被我抓到了!!!
10/09 09:44, 3F

10/09 09:45, , 4F
樓下直接END也被我抓到了!!!
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10/09 09:45, , 5F
樓上你怎麼知道 XD
10/09 09:45, 5F

10/09 09:47, , 6F
1F還不去睡?明天還要比賽,記得來支HR XD
10/09 09:47, 6F

10/09 09:53, , 7F
小Q 0-4要加油!!
10/09 09:53, 7F

10/09 10:01, , 8F
樓下直接END也被我抓到了!!!
10/09 10:01, 8F

10/09 10:02, , 9F
樓上你怎麼知道 XD
10/09 10:02, 9F

10/09 10:02, , 10F
上面全部END
10/09 10:02, 10F

10/09 10:10, , 11F
到底這篇在說什麼阿 QQ
10/09 10:10, 11F

10/09 10:12, , 12F
這篇再說 王建民明年季初可以上場了
10/09 10:12, 12F

10/09 10:15, , 13F
Joba今年和去年的球速和控球
10/09 10:15, 13F

10/09 10:15, , 14F
跟王有啥關係...
10/09 10:15, 14F

10/09 10:47, , 15F
我也直接按AND 才看到推文..........................
10/09 10:47, 15F

10/09 10:50, , 16F
樓上END打成AND也被我抓到了!!!
10/09 10:50, 16F

10/09 10:52, , 17F
以上全都按END(我都一直按右到底)
10/09 10:52, 17F

10/09 10:58, , 18F
Page Down到底.....XD
10/09 10:58, 18F

10/09 11:04, , 19F
我直接←
10/09 11:04, 19F

10/09 11:09, , 20F
我自己承認END
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10/09 11:16, , 21F
快推 我看的懂英文的
10/09 11:16, 21F

10/09 11:20, , 22F
哈哈天使三分砲囉!!
10/09 11:20, 22F

10/09 11:21, , 23F
洋基不是打紅襪比較順手嗎XD
10/09 11:21, 23F

10/09 11:22, , 24F
比較陣容的話,我會比較想對上天使而非紅襪。
10/09 11:22, 24F

10/09 11:22, , 25F
破襪輸就是爽~~~
10/09 11:22, 25F

10/09 11:22, , 26F
LESTER快炸了...!!!
10/09 11:22, 26F

10/09 11:23, , 27F
HUNTER能來洋基就完美了 這樣SWISHER就可以排第九棒
10/09 11:23, 27F

10/09 11:23, , 28F
破襪輸就是爽 啦
10/09 11:23, 28F

10/09 11:29, , 29F
= =少幻想了 好嗎?
10/09 11:29, 29F

10/09 11:31, , 30F
阿布 三打席三次保送 選球機器==
10/09 11:31, 30F

10/09 11:40, , 31F
襪迷真激動 真誇張XDDDD
10/09 11:40, 31F

10/09 11:42, , 32F
光頭被裁判婊了!!!!
10/09 11:42, 32F

10/09 11:42, , 33F
破襪一直被一壘審俵
10/09 11:42, 33F

10/09 11:49, , 34F
LIVE推文=3=
10/09 11:49, 34F

10/09 11:56, , 35F
以上都沒人在討論這篇到底說啥...XD
10/09 11:56, 35F

10/09 11:57, , 36F
哈哈哈哈哈 趕快把破襪掃出門吧 讓隔壁閉嘴
10/09 11:57, 36F

10/09 11:58, , 37F
經天又要誦經了嗎??XDDD
10/09 11:58, 37F

10/09 12:02, , 38F
Bobby Abreu 今天領4BB 超會選球 XD
10/09 12:02, 38F

10/09 12:02, , 39F
砸人囉...哈哈哈全亂了..!!!!!!
10/09 12:02, 39F

10/09 12:05, , 40F
BOS要爆囉
10/09 12:05, 40F

10/09 12:08, , 41F
如果天使滿貫 樓下1000p
10/09 12:08, 41F

10/09 12:10, , 42F
謝樓上~
10/09 12:10, 42F

10/09 12:11, , 43F
MVP:一壘審XDD
10/09 12:11, 43F

10/09 12:15, , 44F
破襪掰了
10/09 12:15, 44F

10/09 12:15, , 45F
紅襪要炸啦
10/09 12:15, 45F

10/09 12:17, , 46F
身為基基,我還是希望紅襪跟天使打個五場,然後第五場延長20
10/09 12:17, 46F

10/09 12:17, , 47F
局 :P
10/09 12:17, 47F

10/09 12:30, , 48F
我也覺得除了我們這系列打三場 其他的都打五場 場場延長
10/09 12:30, 48F

10/09 12:46, , 49F
破襪掰了!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10/09 12:46, 49F

10/09 12:46, , 50F
掰掰
10/09 12:46, 50F

10/09 12:47, , 51F
襪襪掰,我也希望他們打五場 然後落敗XD
10/09 12:47, 51F

10/09 12:50, , 52F
誦經團準備中XD
10/09 12:50, 52F

10/09 12:51, , 53F
這篇只有一個重點啊 就是Joba的投球姿勢根本就有變
10/09 12:51, 53F

10/09 12:52, , 54F
去年姿勢比較穩 今年的姿勢有問題 就這樣
10/09 12:52, 54F

10/09 12:52, , 55F
老實說身為基迷.我很希望紅襪晉級冠軍賽然後被我們四連敗
10/09 12:52, 55F

10/09 12:53, , 56F
我只能說...12樓
10/09 12:53, 56F

10/09 12:53, , 57F
2004年之恥要討回來啊
10/09 12:53, 57F

10/09 12:56, , 58F
襪版賭盤不知道又要拖多久才開了zzzzzzz
10/09 12:56, 58F

10/09 12:56, , 59F
紅襪輸就是爽
10/09 12:56, 59F

10/09 12:58, , 60F
的確ALCS幹掉襪襪會更好 先晉級再說吧~
10/09 12:58, 60F

10/09 13:05, , 61F
所以 以上都全部END 推文是這樣沒錯
10/09 13:05, 61F

10/09 13:15, , 62F
你忽視coronach的推文了嗎
10/09 13:15, 62F

10/09 13:18, , 63F
洋基昨天贏 紅襪今天輸 連二天都是好心情!
10/09 13:18, 63F

10/09 13:20, , 64F
好爽的一天,紅襪輸~
10/09 13:20, 64F

10/09 13:25, , 65F
洋基贏 紅襪輸 又是美好的一天**ˋ(  ̄▽ ̄)ˊ**
10/09 13:25, 65F

10/09 13:31, , 66F
客觀來說紅襪跟天使還是選紅襪當對手較好...(= =)a
10/09 13:31, 66F

10/09 13:33, , 67F
肥襪感覺今年氣勢不如從前!!
10/09 13:33, 67F

10/09 13:56, , 68F
寧願打紅襪也不想打天使 紅襪打線氣勢都比較差
10/09 13:56, 68F

10/09 13:57, , 69F
而且我們向來打天使就是不順手 還是迷信點好了
10/09 13:57, 69F

10/09 14:05, , 70F
不能再同意樓上更多
10/09 14:05, 70F

10/09 14:08, , 71F
明星賽後 打紅襪超順手
10/09 14:08, 71F

10/09 14:09, , 72F
目標冠軍的隊伍居然還想挑對手??氣勢都被自己敗掉了.
10/09 14:09, 72F

10/09 14:15, , 73F
天使都能贏紅襪了 我們幹麼怕天使?
10/09 14:15, 73F

10/09 14:34, , 74F
賺襪襪的錢爽度也不一樣
10/09 14:34, 74F

10/09 14:37, , 75F
你袁定文喔 氣勢氣勢...
10/09 14:37, 75F

10/09 14:41, , 76F
怕東怕西的是能成啥大事,科科.
10/09 14:41, 76F

10/09 15:36, , 77F
怕屁呀 遇神殺神遇佛殺佛
10/09 15:36, 77F

10/09 16:16, , 78F
今年是翻盤年,天使不再怕紅襪,洋基遇天使也不再吃鱉
10/09 16:16, 78F

10/09 17:14, , 79F
今年洋基要通殺 \(^▽^)/
10/09 17:14, 79F

10/09 18:13, , 80F
原文好像是說 張博倫現在的姿勢跟以前不一樣 所以變爛
10/09 18:13, 80F

12/28 13:37, 7年前 , 81F
襪襪掰,我也希望他們打 http://yofuk.com
12/28 13:37, 81F
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