[外電] 國民是怎麼變成Boras的形狀?

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Scott Boras and the Nationals: What’s the deal with all these deals? http://goo.gl/WVPKLs By Barry Svrluga Columnist February 27 at 6:24 AM WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — It is inescapable now. Matt Wieters can walk into a non-Orioles clubhouse for the first time in his career, and we can ask questions about how his lengthy foray in free agency went (“It was different ”), the current state of his health (“I feel great physically”), and how he feels about his new job as the starting catcher for the Washington Nationals (“I always thought Washington would be a good fit for me”). 不可避免的Wieters 將在他的職業生涯第一次踏進非金鶯休息室,而我們也 得以詢問他關於他的自由市場初體驗("很不一樣")與他當前的健康狀況 {"好極了")還有他對自己在華盛頓國民的先發捕手這份新工作感覺如何 ("我總覺得華盛頓很適合我")。 But what everyone notices first isn’t how Wieters will fit or what he’ll produce, but whom he employs as his representation. That would be one Scott Dean Boras. 但所有人率先注意到的都不是Wieters 合不合適或他的產值.而是他聘請誰 來幫他說話。那就是獨一無二的Scott Dean Boras。 Here are the Boras clients now expected to be in the Nationals’ starting lineup: Bryce Harper, Anthony Rendon, Jayson Werth and Wieters. Here are the Boras clients now expected to be in the Nats’ starting rotation: Max Scherzer, Stephen Strasburg and Gio Gonzalez. Stephen Drew will be on the bench, with Brian Goodwin fighting for a spot there as well. Oliver Perez will be in the bullpen. 這是國民先發打線中預期的Boras成員:Harper、Rendon、Werth、Wieters; 這邊是輪值圈Boras成員:Scherzer、小史與Gio。Drew是板凳軍,Goodwin也 在爭取板凳席次。OP則待在牛棚。 Can’t count that high? I’ll get out the abacus. It’s 10 players, nine of whom are all but guaranteed to be on an Opening Day roster of 25. Tally up those current contracts (leaving out Gonzalez, who came to employ Boras after signing his current extension with the Nats), and you get — remain seated — $551.425 million, spanning from the first year of Werth’s deal in 2011 to the last of Strasburg’s extension, which won’t be paid till 2030. 數不過來了?我幫你算。這是10個人,其中九個確定會留在開季25人名單。 把目前這些合約全部加起來,先不算跟國民簽完延長約後才雇Boras的Gio, 你會得到,坐穩囉,551.425M。從2011年Werth 的七年約起算到2030年付完 小史的延長約為止。 Think that’s too much money to too many players from one shop? The answer, from the Nats’ perspective: 你覺得這樣是把太多錢押在同一個賣家身上嗎?國民這樣回答: “We have nine players we like that happen to be represented by Scott Boras,” General Manager Mike Rizzo said. “Go down the list. They’re all good players. We like all of them. They all fit on this team. We want to have good players.” "剛好我們喜歡的九個球員碰巧是Boras的客戶," 光頭說。 "這張名單從頭到尾都是我們喜歡的好球員,他們都適合這支球隊。好球員 我們都要。" Still, the Wieters deal is instructive. Wieters的約還是有啟發性。 First, if Boras has a free agent late in the offseason, monitor Washington. In January 2015, when Washington had a rotation of Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann, Gonzalez, Tanner Roark and Doug Fister — a rotation that led all of baseball the previous season — they had no obvious need for Scherzer. Yet they somehow agreed to a seven-year, $210-million deal that, at the time, seemed excessive. 第一,如果Boras 有客戶到休賽季快結束了還找不到工作,請將鏡頭轉向國 民;2015年一月,當華盛頓在季前就擁有小史、JZ、Gio、Roark與Fister這 種引領聯盟的輪值圈時,他們對Scherzer並沒有明顯的需要,然後他們就跟 他簽了七年210M。當時看似乎補過頭了。 From the beginning of Scherzer’s free agency, Boras had described the pursuit as an “ownership decision.” With that in mind, the pitch from agent to owner came at Ted Lerner’s Palm Springs, Calif., vacation home. The owner quizzed Rizzo about Scherzer and how he would fit baseball-wise. For Rizzo, these were easy questions. As the scouting director in Arizona, he drafted the right-hander out of the University of Missouri. He knew the player. 從Scherzer成為FA起算,Boras便將這場追逐戰描述為"經營者的決定"。 記住這點。球從Boras手上投到Ted Lerner在加州Palm Springs的渡假地。 老闆向光頭詢問關於Sherzer與他適不適合球隊,對光頭來說這問題再簡單 不過;光頭還在亞歷桑納當球探大頭時就是他從University of Missouri 選中Scherzer,他很了解Scherzer。 “What’s not to like about Max Scherzer?” Rizzo said. “Does he make us better?” "誰能不喜歡Scherzer?" 光頭說。 "他有令我們變得更好嗎?" After two all-star appearances and a Cy Young award for Scherzer, that answer is obvious. But it’s a reasonable question about Wieters. Back when Wieters was being shopped at much more money than the one-year, $10.5-million deal (with a player option for the same salary in 2018) for which the Nats got him at, Washington wasn’t interested. Apparently, at a starting point of five years and $85 million, no one was. The Nats, needing a replacement for the departed Wilson Ramos behind the plate, traded for Derek Norris, one of their former prospects. 在兩度參加全明星與拿下一座CYA後,答案顯而易見。但相對Wieters這筆卻 有理由夠充足的疑慮。回到Wieters以遠高於國民簽下的一年10.5M(加2018 年同樣價格的球員選擇權)被Boras 兜售時,國民沒有興趣。顯然從一開始 開出五年85M就沒人會買單。Ramos離隊後國民需要補上捕手缺口,他們也把 前農場新秀Norris交易回來。 And yet, when Wieters’s price dropped, Boras returned to a familiar hitching post. Last Saturday, Rizzo flew to Atlanta to meet with Wieters face to face. Homework done, the two sides worked out a contract. And the baseball world, collectively, said: “Oh, yeah. Another Boras client to the Nats. Figures.” 之後Wieters價格下滑,Boras就回頭找老相好了。上週六光頭飛到亞特蘭大 與Wieters面對面,作業完成後兩邊達成協議。而整個棒球界,異口同聲:" 噢,當然了,又一個加入國民的Boras客戶。很合理。" All of this really began when the Nationals pursued first baseman Mark Teixeira, who was represented by Boras, in the 2008-09 offseason. The first major Boras player they landed was Werth, who was coming off a couple of career years with the Phillies in 2010. Then, the outfielder had a six-year, $108-million offer from Boston, a club that was used to spending that kind of money on this kind of free agent. The Nationals, neither in-season contenders nor offseason factors at the time, had to go an extra year at the same rate — $18 million annually — to land Werth. Those negotiations took place with Rizzo, Lerner and Boras in the agent’s Southern California offices. 一切真正的開始要從2008-09休賽季期間國民角逐一壘手Teixeira 起算,第 一個加入國民的主要Boras客戶則是在費城人最後兩年打出生涯年的Werth。 當年已經很習慣花錢的紅襪開給他六年108M,而當時既非冠軍競爭者也不具 吸引力的國民被迫以年薪18M為基礎多開一年。光頭與Lerner都出席Boras在 南加州的辦公室參與討論。 By that point, Strasburg and shortstop Danny Espinosa — a Boras client who later switched agencies — were already on board. Harper would follow in the next draft. Prior to 2012, the Nats traded for Gonzalez, who wasn’t with Boras at the time but since has hired him. They selected Rendon with the sixth pick in the 2011 draft. When you have bad teams, you receive high draft picks. Any group of the top prospects in the draft is sprinkled with Boras clients. 2009年小史與後來才聘請Boras 的Espinosa都已被選進國民,Harper則在下 一屆選秀。2012年季前國民換來Gio,Gio也在之後雇用Boras 。2011年國民 則在第六順位挑走Rendon。當你打得很爛就會得到高順位,而不管哪一次選 秀,頂級新秀群裡都遍布Boras的客戶。 “What, am I going to not draft Rendon because he’s represented by Scott Boras?” Rizzo asked. “Other teams might do that. We’re not going to. We want the best players we can have.” "什麼?我要因為Rendon的經紀人是Boras就不選他嗎?" 光頭問。 "其他球隊也許吧,但我們不會。最好的球員我們都要。" Still, the relationship bears watching going forward. Two things: First, after the 2012 season, when then-Nats closer Drew Storen had blown the fifth game of Washington’s division series against the Cardinals, Boras was shopping former Yankee Rafael Soriano. He went directly to Lerner. Lerner went directly to Rizzo: I got you a closer. Soriano made the Nationals better, but at two years and $28 million? The only reliever in history to ever earn more on an annual basis was Mariano Rivera. Boras與國民高層關係仍然持續延續。兩件事:第一,2012年季後賽Storen 崩掉對紅雀的分區系列第五戰,過後Boras便直接找上Lerner推銷Soriano。 Lerner則直接告訴光頭"我幫你弄來一個終結者"。Soriano讓國民更好, 但兩年28M?就牛棚投手來說過去只有Mo的年均比這張高。 Because that deal went down in that fashion — and because Boras and Lerner have an affinity for each other personally — it’s worth asking who was involved in each negotiation, just as it was last year, when Lerner and Boras were the primary architects of Strasburg’s seven-year, $175-million extension that kicks in this season. 因為那張約以那種方式呈現,也因為Boras 以及Lerner私人間的密切關係, 值得探討是誰涉入每一次談判;就像去年季中,以Lerner與Boras 為主事者 完成小史那張七年175M的延長約那樣。 Secondly, expect more Boras-Nats deals in the future given (A) the way the Nationals like to structure their contracts, which is often with lots of money deferred to future years, and (B) Boras’s willingness to do the same. Even Wieters’s relatively minor contract is built that way, with $8 million to be paid in 2017, $1 million in 2018 and $1.5 in 2019. Both Scherzer and Strasburg will be paid millions by the Nats after their contracts are up, a negotiating strategy that has scared off some potential free agents but at which Boras doesn’t balk. 第二,預計將有更多Boras客戶進入國民。因為, A、 國民的合約結構傾向於包含大量未來延遲給付; B、 Boras也願意接受。就算Weiter 這張相對較小的合約也一樣。2017年付8M, 2018年1M,2019年1.5M。Scherzer和小史的合約結束後都將持續從國民領取 以百萬為單位的延遲給付。這種交涉策略會嚇走一些本來有機會加入的自由 球員,但Boras並不介意。 There are people within the Nationals’ organization who feel this is an unhealthy relationship. Rizzo said he is not one of them. 某些國民組織裡的成員認為這是不健康關係,光頭說他不這麼想。 “I’ve spent my entire career doing this,” Rizzo said. “Even when I was a scouting director in Arizona, we drafted a lot of them — because they were really good players, and we like really good players.” "我的職業生涯一直都這樣搞。" 光頭說。 "就算當我還在亞利桑那當球探大頭時我們也選了很多Boras 的客戶。因為 他們真是很棒的球員,而我們喜歡很棒的球員。" Matt Wieters is here now. Expect more where he came from. Wieters已經來了。可以預期會有更多人會被Boras帶著一起來。 ─────────────────────────────────────── 說實話國民雖然有很多Boras的客戶但個人認為真正傷害球隊的, 可能硬要挑也只有2014年下半季的Soriano吧? Werth那張約雖然很大張但他其實打得不差。 防守本來就不是他的賣點, 不過打擊部分只要沒帶傷打, 也只是隨著年齡穩定下滑而已; 他的耗球能力一直很棒, 要他打哪個棒次也都能發揮該棒次的功能性。 而且很多國民陣中成員都說Werth的加入徹底改變國民休息室, 連帶著怨念離開的Espinosa在轉隊後接受訪問時都對Werth讚譽有加。 Scherzer的七年210M前兩年絕對對得起這張合約。 當然Scherzer已經站在wrong side, 不能期待他接下來都是這種表現。 至少三年ACE、兩年三號、兩年工作馬, 我想這樣就可以接受了。 Scherzer也是個性開朗能帶動團隊氣氛的陽光男孩。 至於小史七年175M今年才起算, 既然還沒開始跑也不方便評論了。 雖然相信很多人跟我一樣不看好。 其實這張Boras當時並不想簽, 是小史跟Ted Lerner雙方高度意願下的產物。 Rendon跟Harper只要不帶傷就是穩穩的五拍子好手, 況且這兩隻都在仲裁, 以他們拿的薪水球迷也沒啥好埋怨的。 目前這時間點要說國民被Boras塞得滿滿的真的是假議題, 國民的問題依然是只能開延遲給付的合約。 照這樣看來, 不如說願意接受延遲給付的Boras反而幫國民解決不少問題咧XD -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.32.124.186 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Nationals/M.1489711750.A.38E.html

03/17 08:54, , 1F
延遲給付 很多自由球員就不想來了
03/17 08:54, 1F

03/17 11:07, , 2F
不同意原作者說Soriano讓國民更好XDD
03/17 11:07, 2F

03/17 12:12, , 3F
國民確實有比較高比率跟Boras合作吧@@
03/17 12:12, 3F

03/17 13:50, , 4F
Boras的客戶在聯盟比例很高嗎?
03/17 13:50, 4F

03/18 04:18, , 5F
"Soriano讓國民更好" <--- XD
03/18 04:18, 5F

03/19 02:07, , 6F
sori成績確實有繳出來呀,寶貝碰也是同個情況,都第
03/19 02:07, 6F

03/19 02:07, , 7F
二年後面開始崩盤而已,儘管它們個性不是很討喜。
03/19 02:07, 7F

03/19 10:43, , 8F
國民延遲付款玩上癮了 會不會影像以後幾年的佈局
03/19 10:43, 8F
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