[外電] Proposed Trade: Billy Butler to the …

看板Rays作者 (COMBO)時間14年前 (2011/06/02 09:27), 編輯推噓21(21036)
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http://ppt.cc/,coO Proposed Trade: Billy Butler to the Rays by Jeff Zimmerman - June 1, 2011 With the Royals recently calling up Eric Hosmer, Billy Butler looks to have been permanently moved to the DH spot. With Mike Moustakas ready to be called up to take over third base, that leaves Wilson Betmit without a position. Also, 27-year-old Clint Robinson (all hit, no field or run — a Billy Butler clone) is knocking the leather off the ball in Triple-A. It is time for the Royals to look at trading Butler to another team. The one team that screams for some offensive production from either the 1B or DH spot is the Tampa Bay Rays. Billy Butler and the Royals Billy Butler has been the best offensive player on the Royals over the last few years. The Royals right now a glut of players that fit into the 1B/DH role. There could be a case made for Kila Ka’aihue, Clint Robinson, Wilson Betemit or Jeff Francoeur being moved to the Royals DH spot. With Hosmer entrenched at 1B, Butler is expendable. Just this offseason Butler signed a team-friendly extension of $3M for 2011, $8M for 2012 to 2014 and $12M for 2015 (with a $1M buyout). Using these values, I estimate how much surplus value in dollars Billy is worth if he were traded half-way through the 2011 season: Year Salary Age $ (million)/WAR pWAR w/UBR Value($ Millions Surplus (1/2 2011 season) 2011 3 25 4.5 2.5 11.3 4.1 2012 8 26 5 2.5 12.5 4.5 2013 8 27 5 2.2 11.0 3.0 2014 8 28 5.5 1.9 10.5 2.5 2015 12 29 5.5 1.6 8.8 -3.2 Total = 10.7 Total = 10.9 Using the entire length of the contract, Butler looks to have surplus value of around $11M. Now if his $1M buyout is enacted, his surplus value jumps to $13M. A note on how things can change in a week. I ran the values initially before Fangraphs added in UBR (baserunning values into the WAR calculation). Before the values were added, Butler looked to be near a 3 WAR player. He loses close to 0.5 WAR each season due to his baserunning. Using the WAR from just over a week ago, the surplus value of his contract had an extra 2.25 total WAR added to it leading to a total surplus value of $22.5M. Who says speed doesn’t matter? The Void That Is 1B and DH for the Rays From 2010 to so far in the 2011 season the Rays have accumulated 41.2 WAR from their position players. Over that same time frame, the DH and 1B position have added 1.3 WAR (1.5 from 1B and -0.2 WAR from the DH position) to that total or 3.2% of the team’s position player WAR. In the last two seasons, the Rays have used such players as Dan Johnson, Carlos Pena, Casey Kotchman, Manny Ramirez, Johnny Damon, Brad Hawpe, Hank Blalock, Rocco Baldelli, Pat Burrell and Willy Aybar at that those 2 positions. Butler accumulated 3.7 WAR over that same time frame. The Rays seem to pride themselves with their defense, so Butler, a horrible defensive player, would be an affordable DH. Having Butler as the DH would probably give the Rays an extra one or two wins worth of production this season. In the ultra competitive AL East, those wins could be quite important at the end of the season. The Royals will probably begin looking at the Rays top prospects to find needed help. The Rays have a fairly stacked minor league system with several top prospects such as the following players ranked in BA top 100 for 2011: 6. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp 15. Matt Moore, lhp 22. Desmond Jennings, of 27. Chris Archer, rhp 71. Jake McGee, lhp 88. Josh Sale, of 92. Hak-Ju Lee, ss Using the work of Sky Kalkman and expanded on by ColinJ, the preceding prospect’s surplus value would range from $16.3M (Jake McGee) to $33.3M (Desmond Jennings). All of the player surplus values would be worth more than Butler’s surplus value. The one item that the Rays need to take into account is the how much extra it would be worth to the team to make the playoffs this year. The Proposed Trade The Royals are in need of starting pitching this season and in the future, so it would best for them to try to get a starting pitcher from the Rays. Since McGee has already begun his MLB career and thereby having a little less trade value, I see him as a nice trade option for the Rays to send the Royals for Butler. Another possible option would be for the Royals to look at trying to get a couple lower rated pitching prospects like Alex Torres, Alex Colome, Jake Thompson or Alex Cobb (which has made his major league debut, but was not as highly rated as the other pitchers at the beginning of the season). The best trades are the ones that work out for both sides. In this trade, I feel that both sides come out ahead. The Royals move one of their many 1B/DH types for starting pitching they need. Tampa on the other hand, gets some much need help at the 1B or DH position and gives up one of their pitching prospects, but not one of their best pitching prospects. 皇家Billy Butler有機會來光芒?! 敢汙口寧? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 61.20.159.81 ※ 編輯: ComboKing 來自: 61.20.159.81 (06/02 09:28)

06/02 09:35, , 1F
小胖子來也可以啦 只是薪水一直是我們concern的點
06/02 09:35, 1F

06/02 10:43, , 2F
對我們來說有點貴....不過風險比交易夏威夷人或
06/02 10:43, 2F

06/02 10:44, , 3F
其他一壘新秀要來的小多了......
06/02 10:44, 3F

06/02 10:45, , 4F
另外不知道他的一壘守備如何....有人知道嗎??@@
06/02 10:45, 4F

06/02 11:31, , 5F
找Clint Robinson呀!
06/02 11:31, 5F

06/02 12:32, , 6F
小胖子一壘手的很.......不怎麼樣
06/02 12:32, 6F

06/02 15:43, , 7F
不是因為他的防守很...才變成專職DH嘛?XD
06/02 15:43, 7F

06/02 15:59, , 8F
應該跟夏威夷人及吼獅魔的守備較好也有關係~
06/02 15:59, 8F

06/02 21:18, , 9F
我覺得安豬不會買這種才剛簽肥約的球員 我也覺得他不
06/02 21:18, 9F

06/02 21:18, , 10F
值那麼多 以他的位置跟成績來看
06/02 21:18, 10F

06/02 21:34, , 11F
專職DH 我們也有了 不缺吧...
06/02 21:34, 11F

06/02 21:38, , 12F
另外我覺得簽了他對我們今年的戰績會有多大的提升 打
06/02 21:38, 12F

06/02 21:38, , 13F
擊方面Butler也是安打型 打點能力也不算太突出 而烤
06/02 21:38, 13F

06/02 21:39, , 14F
雞今年至今的打擊成績並不輸他 至於守備能力我也小胖
06/02 21:39, 14F

06/02 21:40, , 15F
不是很熟 但基本上很難贏烤雞 像今天那支2RBI安打如
06/02 21:40, 15F

06/02 21:41, , 16F
果是烤雞來守 絕對是能處理掉
06/02 21:41, 16F

06/02 23:51, , 17F
Butler的防守爛到爆炸 Kotchman現在表現很好ㄚ
06/02 23:51, 17F

06/02 23:51, , 18F
除非真的有賺 不然我覺得現在的陣形不差
06/02 23:51, 18F

06/02 23:52, , 19F
不用急著交易
06/02 23:52, 19F

06/03 00:05, , 20F
烤雞好像只有一年短約,明年1B還是個問題
06/03 00:05, 20F

06/03 00:13, , 21F
一壘和DH這兩個位置 目前基本上大門和烤雞很穩
06/03 00:13, 21F

06/03 00:13, , 22F
但大門只簽一年 烤雞明年結束變FA 我們還是需要
06/03 00:13, 22F

06/03 00:15, , 23F
一壘或DH的長期解答 皇家缺SP而一壘砲手多到沒位置
06/03 00:15, 23F

06/03 00:16, , 24F
而我們是SP多到滿出來 和皇家交易是勢在必行的....
06/03 00:16, 24F

06/03 00:16, , 25F
只是不一定要Bulter 夏威夷人或Robinson也可試試
06/03 00:16, 25F

06/03 00:24, , 26F
DH考慮明年的話 Guyer和Jennings差不多都會升上來
06/03 00:24, 26F

06/03 00:25, , 27F
DH 打數應該會給Joyce去補 至於一壘手的部分
06/03 00:25, 27F

06/03 00:26, , 28F
烤雞我沒記錯是佛羅里達人 當初簽他有部分考量家鄉
06/03 00:26, 28F

06/03 00:26, , 29F
如果他能維持狀況到明星賽 或許安豬會跟他談合約
06/03 00:26, 29F

06/03 00:28, , 30F
另外跟皇家交易 還是要看要價 另外我們小聯盟投手
06/03 00:28, 30F

06/03 00:28, , 31F
投的好不算多 以交易的點 恐怕會被凹不小就是
06/03 00:28, 31F

06/03 00:35, , 32F
恩 7月後再看看吧....如果屆時無競爭力 BJ 盾哥
06/03 00:35, 32F

06/03 00:35, , 33F
尼門都是熱門交易人選......
06/03 00:35, 33F

06/03 01:11, , 34F
Kotchman如果能維持手感應該有機會多留幾年...畢竟還
06/03 01:11, 34F

06/03 01:12, , 35F
還有不錯的手套 真要談交易1B的話不盤個砲管來總是
06/03 01:12, 35F

06/03 01:13, , 36F
不划算..尤其又在美東 私心希望盾哥今年投好 明年還
06/03 01:13, 36F

06/03 01:14, , 37F
能看他在開幕先發...q
06/03 01:14, 37F

06/03 01:23, , 38F
早上對水手 盾哥要強碰King...其實兩個投手性質很像
06/03 01:23, 38F

06/03 01:23, , 39F
就看打線捧不捧場...
06/03 01:23, 39F

06/03 03:01, , 40F
DH好解決 主要還是1B呀 Clint應該比Butler還難交易
06/03 03:01, 40F

06/03 03:01, , 41F
畢竟年輕 而且其實差不多類型 有看到說Clint也準備好
06/03 03:01, 41F

06/03 03:02, , 42F
要上了 所以皇家應該一定會留Clint 這樣只有他跟夏威
06/03 03:02, 42F

06/03 03:03, , 43F
夷人在考慮了 但 真的覺得這兩個都不太好...
06/03 03:03, 43F

06/03 03:04, , 44F
個人觀點還是傾向去盤個任意野手然後放去練1B...
06/03 03:04, 44F

06/03 03:14, , 45F
感覺Joyce練1B 把Zoby放RF不知道會不會好點 Zoby今年
06/03 03:14, 45F

06/03 03:17, , 46F
守2b好像不是很穩 而且其實感覺香肉守2B守得還不錯..
06/03 03:17, 46F

06/03 03:45, , 47F
S大這方法也行 不過還是傾向zoby在內野 上次有場好抖
06/03 03:45, 47F

06/03 03:54, , 48F
我仍然覺得1B易找(雖然我們超缺) 把還可以的RF拉進來
06/03 03:54, 48F

06/03 03:54, , 49F
太浪費了
06/03 03:54, 49F

06/03 03:57, , 50F
內野現在少了不懂打擊的Brignac 只好讓Zobrist 2B
06/03 03:57, 50F

06/03 03:59, , 51F
S-Rod SS 我覺得Zoby暫時是一直要留在內野了
06/03 03:59, 51F

06/03 07:21, , 52F
Zoby最近的失誤都超關鍵的 幾乎都會失分 香肉這段時
06/03 07:21, 52F

06/03 07:22, , 53F
間內野的表現只能算是替補工具人 防守對今年的我們特
06/03 07:22, 53F

06/03 07:24, , 54F
別重要 最近失誤變多 輸球也變多了 守備好能給投手、
06/03 07:24, 54F

06/03 07:25, , 55F
球隊的安定感 沒收安打更能使敵我雙方士氣消漲 防守
06/03 07:25, 55F

06/03 07:25, , 56F
野球才是王道
06/03 07:25, 56F

06/03 12:55, , 57F
大推光芒防守野球
06/03 12:55, 57F
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