[閒聊] 道奇交易Shields的可能提案

看板Rays作者 (瀟湘夜雨)時間12年前 (2012/11/04 08:09), 編輯推噓17(17069)
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外傳科科提很愛我們家的神盾 對於這樣的傳聞 Rays colored glasses提出可能的交易包裹 資料來源:http://ppt.cc/p-xb 文章很長就不細翻 先說結論好嚕 Tampa Bay Rays trade RHP James Shields, INF Reid Brignac, and RHP Jason McEachern to the Los Angeles Dodgers in exchange for LHP Chris Reed, OF Joc Pederson, C Tim Federowicz, UTIL Alex Castellanos, and OF/1B Scott Van Slyke. 以下簡單交代交易的新秀 Federowicz可以補充TB所欠缺的捕手新秀且完成度很高 Federowicz, who turned 25 in August, is coming off a great offensive year at Triple-A in 2012, albeit in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League, posting a .294/.371/.461 line with 34 doubles, 11 homers, 76 RBI, and 91 strikeouts versus 52 walks in 115 games and 475 plate appearances, and he also posted a 39% caught stealing rate defensively with just 3 passed balls. Federowicz stands out most for his defense, where he’s an excellent receiver (something that the Rays have shown themselves to value especially much as they keep Jose Molina on the roster) to go along with smooth actions defensively and a good arm, and he has a chance to be a solid offensive catcher, hitting for a solid average with a little power and a pretty good on-base percentage. Federowicz is certainly not the most impressive catching prospect out there, but he’s better than anything the Rays have right now, a group that consists of Molina, Jose Lobaton, Robinson Chirinos, and Chris Giminez, and could compete for a big league job alongside Molina immediately. Federowicz can’t be the headline piece in a deal like this, but he’s definitely a player the Rays could be interested in. Castellanos是一個有砲瓦的工具人,也接近完成 Alex Castellanos fits that mold and could be a player the Rays could use immediately to help improve their situations in the outfield and at second base. Castellanos, another older prospect having turned 26 in August, had an enormous season at Triple-A in 2012, posting a .328/.420/.590 line with 25 doubles, 7 triples,17 homers, 52 RBI, 16 of 24 stolen bases, and 85 strikeouts against 46 walks in 94 games in 407 plate appearances while playing second base, third base, and both corner outfield positions. Castellanos won’t be nearly that good in the big leagues, but he shows a nice power-speed combination with the bat speed and patience to hit for a solid average and OBP. Castellanos is expendable for the Dodgers thanks to their crowded situation in the outfield and the presence of Elian Herrera. Castellanos is a very similar in just about every possible way to a player the Rays already have, Brandon Guyer, with both being older prospects and right-handed hitters that have piqued interest with their power-speed combinations, but Castellanos adds in the wrinkle that he can play the infield. And with both Guyer and Castellanos lacking significant big league experience, the Rays could double their odds of getting at least one capable player by having both of them in the fold. Castellanos also looks to be a better all-around player than the utility types the Rays have around right now, although he can’t handle shortstop. Castellanos is once again not the most exciting prospect, but he’s another player it could make sense for the Rays to target as a secondary piece in a potential trade. Van Slyke可以捕強TB的1B/OF位置的深度,也是接近完成的新秀 One last possible need-filling piece the Rays could acquire from the Dodgers without eliciting much of a quibble could be outfielder/first baseman Scott Van Slyke. Van Slyke, who turned 26 in July, was another player at Triple-A for the Dodgers who had a huge year, posting a .327/.404/.578 line with 34 doubles, 18 homers, 67 RBI, and 64 strikeouts versus 46 walks in 95 games and 411 plate appearances. Van Slyke, the son of 3-time All-Star Andy Van Slyke, features the power to potentially hit 30 home runs in the big leagues from a short stroke although patience and pitch recognition have been issues for him in the past. Van Slyke has played both corner outfield spots in addition to first base in the past but has struggled defensively wherever he has gone and he’s going to have to hit quite a bit to stick in the major leagues. With Adrian Gonzalez signed long-term at first base and a crowded situation in the outfield, Van Slyke doesn’t look to crack the Dodgers’ starting lineup anytime soon, but the Rays could offer him at-bats at first base and designated hitter immediately. Van Slyke can’t be any worse than Carlos Pena and Luke Scott were for the Rays in 2012, and he has the ability to be a solid hitter in the middle of the Rays lineup if everything goes well. There you have three players that the Dodgers have that could compete for roster spots on the Rays immediately and represent improvements over what the Rays currently have on their roster, and the Dodgers would not hesitate even a second to part with them to acquire Shields. But the critical part of this trade will be the prospects with the potential to make the Rays a better team in the long-term even as they move on without the most dependable starter in their history in Shields. 一個很有潛力的外野新秀Joc Pederson One Dodgers prospect that could really intrigue the Rays could be 20 year old outfielder Joc Pederson. Pederson is coming off a great year at High-A for the Dodgers, posting a .313/.396/.516 line with 24 doubles, 18 homers, 70 RBI, 26 of 40 stolen bases, and 81 strikeouts versus 51 walks in 110 games and 499 plate appearances. Defensively, he played primarily centerfielder and posted 9 outfield assists. Pederson shows five average or better tools, featuring great bat speed from a short stroke with an all-fields approach and solid power, and he’s an above-average runner with good instincts on the basepaths and in the outfield to go along with a good arm, although he may fit best in left or right field as opposed to center moving forward. Pederson has a chance to hit for a nice average in the major leagues to go along with 20 homers and 25 steals and good outfield defense. Pederson still has to work on hitting the ball with a little more authority in order to avoid becoming a tweener, a corner outfielder who lacks the power to profile there, but he has a chance to be an excellent big league player, and he’ll be just 21 years old as he heads to Double-A in 2013. Why would the Dodgers be willing to trade Pederson? Once again, the reason is because of their extremely crowded picture in the outfield moving forward. Pederson has the talent the Rays want and is expendable enough for the Dodgers that he could be a central piece of a Shields trade. 最後挑一個可能可以交易的投手新秀Chris Reed And this trade has to finish with a pitching prospect- the Rays aren’t going to trade Shields and not recoup at least a little of their pitching depth in return. With the Dodgers’ top pitching prospect, Zach Lee, likely untouchable, and several of the Dodgers’ top pitching prospects either struggling in 2012 or getting traded away, the best option for the Dodgers to trade might be their 2011 first round pick Chris Reed. Reed, 22, tossed just 70.1 innings in 2012 while dealing with a shoulder injury, although a lot of that was precautionary, and he pitched pretty well when he was on the mound, going just 1-8 but with a 3.97 ERA, an 8.6 K/9, a 4.4 BB/9, and a 0.4 HR/9 in 17 starts and 2 relief appearances between High-A and Double-A. Reed throws a four-seam fastball that reaches the high-90′s but works primarily with a low-90′s two-seamer that he commands well down in the zone but struggled to control in 2012. He also throws a slider that shows flashes but was ineffective for Reed for much of 2012 to go along with a changeup that hasn’t progressed as much as Reed and the Dodgers would like. Reed has considerable potential but other than the problems with his pitches, particularly his fastball control, the movement on his slider, and his changeup, a major concern for Reed moving forward is durability- he hasn’t thrown a 100-inning season in his life, working as a reliever at Stanford and being limited because of his shoulder this season. He has the stuff to start but may end up in a relief role if he can’t build up the stamina to start. Reed is a player that would be tough for the Dodgers to part with, but there is certainly risk involved with him and the Dodgers may be willing to let him go to make this Shields trade materialize. 就是盡可能拿有砲瓦的選手來補充TB所缺少的那一塊 不過這樣40人名單競爭也會更激烈 不過對方3A是打者天堂的聯盟 數據就加減欣賞 科科提要有誠意才會感動安豬 Shields也不是不可交易 有Zach Lee更好(幻想) 提供大家討論看看 -- -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 111.240.209.48 ※ 編輯: srysry 來自: 111.240.209.48 (11/04 08:11)

11/04 08:59, , 1F
交易shields還不如overpay 黑田一年
11/04 08:59, 1F

11/04 09:51, , 2F
我是指道奇
11/04 09:51, 2F

11/04 09:53, , 3F
那也是根據科科提自己說他覺得捕強Shields第一重要@@
11/04 09:53, 3F

11/04 09:54, , 4F
與其花許多新秀交易 給有經驗的一年約比較合理
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11/04 09:54, , 5F
畢竟在隊版會都以該球隊的觀點為第一人稱敘述
11/04 09:54, 5F
Shields好歹在美東也是穩定輸出的投手 科科提認為道奇缺少一個穩定的工作馬(連續6年都200IP以上) 不覺得他有缺少多少經驗就是 而且也有豐富的季後賽經驗 尤其他們的先發群有不少有傷病疑慮 而且Shields的合約比黑田更低 明年10.25M 後年還有選擇權 最多12M 買斷1M 而且還可以有再開QO賺補償新秀的可能 也不用損失到第一輪選秀 另外上面這些新秀 有的位置也有被道奇長約的打者檔死 是否能成為適應mlb的打者也還言之過早 Ex:交易到紅襪的Sands 總之只是一種討論如果要換的可能提案而已

11/04 09:55, , 6F
沒辦法保證shield第一年去會適應良好 黑田約短又安全
11/04 09:55, 6F

11/04 09:56, , 7F
我的錯 我以為光芒不會簽黑田是共識
11/04 09:56, 7F

11/04 09:56, , 8F
shields應該是冬季會議的事了
11/04 09:56, 8F
有點誤會所以我刪除那補充好嚕 其他是我的一點意見 當然在TB一直說Shields多好也難免自誇 提供一點意見作為參考 基本上主要是回應之前有人在關心道奇所能提供的農場新秀 至於這個交易是否合理 就看道奇科科提自己的想法

11/04 10:10, , 9F
如果就像你所說這包價值小於第一輪 光芒會換嗎?
11/04 10:10, 9F

11/04 10:15, , 10F
所以關鍵成交的因素會是主菜的投手
11/04 10:15, 10F

11/04 10:16, , 11F
Chris Reed的光芒球探的評價恐怕是關鍵...
11/04 10:16, 11F

11/04 10:20, , 12F
Reed也是2011年第一輪選進的投手
11/04 10:20, 12F

11/04 10:21, , 13F
或許真的成行 只是不會這麼早 但是他是科科....
11/04 10:21, 13F

11/04 10:54, , 14F
沒辦法保證適應良好?照你的邏輯都不用同區交易了
11/04 10:54, 14F

11/04 10:55, , 15F
這篇只是在提可能的包裹,沒提到早不早啊?
11/04 10:55, 15F

11/04 10:56, , 16F
況且冬季會議也不遠了,討論時間點有些無聊....
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11/04 10:57, , 17F
和Shields比經驗更是可笑,他在美東砲火庫投了將近
11/04 10:57, 17F

11/04 10:57, , 18F
1500局,這還不加季後賽呢...= =
11/04 10:57, 18F

11/04 10:59, , 19F
換Shields就是要做為長久之計的,和37歲的黑田怎比?
11/04 10:59, 19F

11/04 11:00, , 20F
第一句打錯是*跨區交易才對
11/04 11:00, 20F

11/04 11:11, , 21F
回到這篇文章,我只能說這個包裹超爛的...
11/04 11:11, 21F

11/04 11:13, , 22F
Federowicz換算以後的OPS+和Lobaton、Vogt在AAA的成
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11/04 11:13, , 23F
這包光芒會同意嗎?
11/04 11:13, 23F

11/04 11:14, , 24F
績差不多,當然他防守很不錯,不過我們並不缺這類的C
11/04 11:14, 24F

11/04 11:15, , 25F
換Van Slyke不如讓Wrigley試試看...
11/04 11:15, 25F

11/04 11:17, , 26F
這個包裹連一個BA百大新秀都沒有....
11/04 11:17, 26F

11/04 11:17, , 27F
Reed的控球更是慘不忍睹,光用Shields換我就覺得虧了
11/04 11:17, 27F

11/04 11:18, , 28F
還要加人,那更是不用提....
11/04 11:18, 28F

11/04 11:19, , 29F
這幾隻就是雜魚啊...只是不錯跟一般的分別而已...
11/04 11:19, 29F

11/04 11:19, , 30F
Joc Pederson在Sickel 50大打者排39...
11/04 11:19, 30F

11/04 11:21, , 31F
沒有Lee不太好談雖然我用幻想啦 因為下面的prospects
11/04 11:21, 31F

11/04 11:22, , 32F
都被拔光 大概接下來比較好只有Reed(倒)
11/04 11:22, 32F

11/04 11:22, , 33F
就算是Joc我們也不用出到Shields...
11/04 11:22, 33F

11/04 11:26, , 34F
科科提最好的籌碼大概就是換丟Lee出來 其他好談...
11/04 11:26, 34F

11/04 11:26, , 35F
Dee Gordan+Zach Lee+Joc Pederson+雜魚,可以考慮。
11/04 11:26, 35F

11/04 11:33, , 36F
也只是談談道奇可能的交易選項... 一開始岔題就是
11/04 11:33, 36F

11/04 11:34, , 37F
不過道奇系統中 光芒很需要的選手還好而已
11/04 11:34, 37F

11/04 11:40, , 38F
對阿沒有立即可用大棒子 還是跟其他隊交易較實際
11/04 11:40, 38F

11/04 11:40, , 39F
不過最近有風聲說Helly反而比較有可能先被交易就是
11/04 11:40, 39F

11/04 11:40, , 40F
因為他是萬惡Bora$的客戶
11/04 11:40, 40F

11/04 11:40, , 41F
抬面上只有科科提幫我們抬轎(誤)
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11/04 11:42, , 42F
其實光芒今年是有點錢 沒記錯「電視轉播」要換約
11/04 11:42, 42F

11/04 11:42, , 43F
只是市場太小 沒辦法跟科科提一樣狂灑錢(攤手)
11/04 11:42, 43F

11/04 11:43, , 44F
安豬說可以留Shields和Price也是有點根據啦....
11/04 11:43, 44F

11/04 11:44, , 45F
我倒是認為這是安豬抬價的籌碼XD 如果說我們一定要
11/04 11:44, 45F

11/04 11:44, , 46F
把雙王牌其中之一交易的話 談判空間就比較小...
11/04 11:44, 46F

11/04 11:45, , 47F
如果說我們有能力全留的話 就可以在對方提不出我們
11/04 11:45, 47F

11/04 11:45, , 48F
滿意的包裹的時候說不要拉倒.....
11/04 11:45, 48F

11/04 11:46, , 49F
DRB最近有對於我們滿出來輪值的分析 大家可以看一看
11/04 11:46, 49F

11/04 11:55, , 50F
認同E大所說.. 補充這個交易Brignac只是清40人名單吧
11/04 11:55, 50F

11/04 11:56, , 51F
McEachern是在A奮鬥的RP 可以當SP但被擠去
11/04 11:56, 51F

11/04 11:57, , 52F
放上去大概只是一種平衡用..Brignac真的是尷尬的角色
11/04 11:57, 52F

11/04 11:59, , 53F
Luna在DWL打得也不好
11/04 11:59, 53F

11/04 19:18, , 54F
SS 明年大概會繼續讓Zobrist嘗試就是 @@"
11/04 19:18, 54F
新的報價來自雙城...Chris Parmelee + ( Denard Span or Ben Revere )... ※ 編輯: srysry 來自: 111.240.209.48 (11/05 20:54)

11/05 21:14, , 55F
如果是道奇 Shields沒有換到即戰力都是不會考慮
11/05 21:14, 55F

11/05 22:05, , 56F
雙城隨便一包就把道奇打趴了 XDD
11/05 22:05, 56F

11/05 22:08, , 57F
外野很擠,投手很空的雙城是個很棒的交易夥伴
11/05 22:08, 57F

11/05 22:13, , 58F
比較喜歡Span,可是他比較貴又只能用三年;Revere缺
11/05 22:13, 58F

11/05 22:13, , 59F
不過Ben Revere是腿哥 Denard Span開始漲價 我想要百
11/05 22:13, 59F

11/05 22:13, , 60F
長打能力,守備可能也沒Span好。
11/05 22:13, 60F

11/05 22:14, , 61F
打的Hicks (貪心中)
11/05 22:14, 61F

11/05 22:14, , 62F
我會比較想要農場的Hick或Arcia,在加一些配角
11/05 22:14, 62F

11/05 22:15, , 63F
哈哈 我和sry大想的一樣 XDD
11/05 22:15, 63F

11/05 22:15, , 64F
Span太貴 Revere跟Fuld很像....我們都不需要吧...
11/05 22:15, 64F

11/05 22:17, , 65F
因為Min也是小市場啊!而且農場OF豐沛,會提是合理的
11/05 22:17, 65F

11/05 22:17, , 66F
但光芒不太可能買帳 XD
11/05 22:17, 66F

11/05 22:17, , 67F
不過願意出Parmelee就算很有誠意了
11/05 22:17, 67F

11/05 22:18, , 68F
雙城這包還沒有到犧牲自己的核心新秀阿...Shields
11/05 22:18, 68F

11/05 22:18, , 69F
應該值得多換 雖然很多人都說光芒投手有問題(攤手
11/05 22:18, 69F

11/05 22:19, , 70F
Parmelee有養壞的風險就是...
11/05 22:19, 70F

11/05 22:22, , 71F
話說雙城很多好的農作物都今年選進的或者很低階....
11/05 22:22, 71F

11/05 22:28, , 72F
每隻新秀都有養壞的風險啊 XD
11/05 22:28, 72F

11/05 22:28, , 73F
Parmelee的選球不錯,Contact有點問題,Power不錯
11/05 22:28, 73F

11/05 22:29, , 74F
今年防守也有進步,我覺得可以賭賭看。
11/05 22:29, 74F

11/05 22:30, , 75F
Hick或Arcia應該會出到一隻,畢竟還有榜眼Buxton
11/05 22:30, 75F

11/05 22:30, , 76F
在雙城版看到他們對Parmelee評價有點低...
11/05 22:30, 76F

11/05 22:31, , 77F
剩下比較高級的就只有Eddie Rosario,不過Min自己也
11/05 22:31, 77F

11/05 22:31, , 78F
缺內野,應該不會放人才對
11/05 22:31, 78F

11/05 22:32, , 79F
不過還是打趴那個道奇預期能出的那隻1B/OF新秀
11/05 22:32, 79F

11/05 22:35, , 80F
內野光芒也還有人才3A有Beckham、Figueroa 2A更多
11/05 22:35, 80F

11/05 22:35, , 81F
球團沒把Wrigley放進40人會不會就是要換1B的跡象?
11/05 22:35, 81F

11/05 22:36, , 82F
Rosario是有點像Zoby的工具人,內外野都可以守
11/05 22:36, 82F

11/05 22:38, , 83F
應該要凹雙城一支2A的捕手Herrmann或Pinto其中一支
11/05 22:38, 83F

11/05 22:38, , 84F
11/20才要確定40人名單 還在觀察吧我是認為會放進去
11/05 22:38, 84F

11/05 22:50, , 85F
Vogt去年打過冬聯 最後入40人名單 Weigley更威就是
11/05 22:50, 85F

11/05 22:55, , 86F
Vogt打得隊伍跟Wrigley相同 0.258/0.323/0.425 3HR
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※ 編輯: srysry 來自: 111.240.209.48 (11/06 08:40)
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