[問題] 2025溫網決賽的勝負關鍵

看板Tennis (網球)作者 (網壇的人)時間6月前 (2025/07/14 10:45), 6月前編輯推噓25(27222)
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最好的方式當然是問Wimbledon. 於是我就問Wimbledon match chat: tell me what's the numbers that Sinner did better than Alcaraz 過了幾秒鐘, 他回答: Jannik Sinner did better than Carlos Alcaraz in committing unforced errors, with 40 compared to Alcaraz's 36, and also won more return points, securing 44 out of 121, whereas Alcaraz won 36 out of 117. 咦? 40比36好嗎? 怪怪的. 但回發球是Sinner比較好, 這個資訊正確 還進一步問我: What else would you like to know? Select an option: Duration Break Point Conversion Unforced Errors 我選第2個, 他這次沒思考了, 立回: During the match, the break point conversion rate for Jannik Sinner was 44%, and for Carlos Alcaraz it was 33%. 於是這樣的模式, 我在Wimbledon match chat的引導下, 點選Second Serve Point Won %. 答案是: Jannik Sinner won 60% of points on their second serve, while Carlos Alcaraz won 51% of points on their second serve during the match. 但如果我自己發問: what about first serve point on %? 他就會思考比較久, 但還是回 答了: Jannik Sinner won 75% of his first serve points, while Carlos Alcaraz also won 75% of his first serve points 後來我問了這個 Net Points Won 也是回很快: Jannik Sinner won 30 net points, while Carlos Alcaraz won 17 net points in the match. 好了, 以這個問題做結: what about net point won %? Jannik Sinner won 75% of his net approaches, taking 30 net points out of 40 approaches, while Carlos Alcaraz won 74% of his net approaches, securing 17 net points out of 23 approaches. 這樣看起來Sinner的數據是大部分領先Alcaraz的, 搭配整場看下來, Carlos的強力正拍 跟雙反變線雖然一樣噁心, 但Jannik似乎不受威脅. 反而是球王的超快速抽球, 讓Carlos 出現了比較多的非受迫, 或者也算是受迫失誤, 所以我又續問match chat: I: let me know the numbers of forced errors for each players during the final C: I see you're curious about ‘Match Stats’. Do you want to know more? Yes No I: yes but just show me the numbers of forced errors in men's final C: Sorry, I don't have enough information to answer that here. Please click Home button to reset the chat and explore this topic further! 好, 看來他無法回答了. 我自己問了一下winner: Jannik Sinner hit 40 winners, while Carlos Alcaraz hit 38 winners during the match. 結論: Match chat蠻有意思的, 但其實直接看match report比較快 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 134.231.162.123 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Tennis/M.1752461107.A.B2C.html ※ 編輯: vincentgotu (134.231.162.123 臺灣), 07/14/2025 10:45:45 ※ 編輯: vincentgotu (134.231.162.123 臺灣), 07/14/2025 10:49:06 ※ 編輯: vincentgotu (134.231.162.123 臺灣), 07/14/2025 10:51:23 ※ 編輯: vincentgotu (134.231.162.123 臺灣), 07/14/2025 10:53:19

07/14 11:02, 6月前 , 1F
溫網是不是沒有提供1-5拍 5-9 9+的數據對比
07/14 11:02, 1F

07/14 11:05, 6月前 , 2F
體感5拍以上A卡幾乎壓倒性優勢 辛靠優秀的一二發品
07/14 11:05, 2F

07/14 11:05, 6月前 , 3F
質保發 接發球局則搶攻卡二發 求5板內攻死
07/14 11:05, 3F

07/14 11:15, 6月前 , 4F
即視感辛感覺就是囧
07/14 11:15, 4F

07/14 11:15, 6月前 , 5F
只是沒有囧年輕來的變態
07/14 11:15, 5F

07/14 11:19, 6月前 , 6F
卡昨天發球太差 到後面三四盤一發進球太低 二發被
07/14 11:19, 6F

07/14 11:19, 6月前 , 7F
辛巴爛
07/14 11:19, 7F

07/14 11:23, 6月前 , 8F
分數多的贏 分數少的輸
07/14 11:23, 8F

07/14 11:25, 6月前 , 9F
抱歉 網球還真不一定分數多的贏 尤其是五盤的
07/14 11:25, 9F

07/14 11:30, 6月前 , 10F
網球很常出現得分多但輸掉的比賽啊......
07/14 11:30, 10F

07/14 11:31, 6月前 , 11F
說分數多的贏 少的輸的是第一次看網球….?
07/14 11:31, 11F

07/14 11:38, 6月前 , 12F
卡沒有一盤打到搶七 發球局不夠穩
07/14 11:38, 12F

07/14 11:38, 6月前 , 13F
這個不穩當然跟一發進球率太低有關 二發就居於劣勢
07/14 11:38, 13F

07/14 11:50, 6月前 , 14F
分數多的贏,2019的費爸表示?
07/14 11:50, 14F

07/14 11:52, 6月前 , 15F
卡就沒有一發 每次都落入二發會有壓力,不是冒險拼
07/14 11:52, 15F

07/14 11:52, 6月前 , 16F
一個之後雙誤就是打安全的但被巴,平常擅長的小球又
07/14 11:52, 16F

07/14 11:53, 6月前 , 17F
都不進,沒辦法有效調動辛納 所以輸了
07/14 11:53, 17F

07/14 11:56, 6月前 , 18F
正拍也時不時失靈 很多打長的球
07/14 11:56, 18F

07/14 11:57, 6月前 , 19F
其實辛的法網一發也輸給卡一些
07/14 11:57, 19F

07/14 11:58, 6月前 , 20F
關鍵就是藥
07/14 11:58, 20F

07/14 12:00, 6月前 , 21F
但辛法網的一發應該沒有低到剩45%以下吧
07/14 12:00, 21F

07/14 12:02, 6月前 , 22F
低到45%以下的一發發進率真的會很有壓力,除非二發
07/14 12:02, 22F

07/14 12:02, 6月前 , 23F
能夠很有效的執行,不然很多分都會送掉
07/14 12:02, 23F

07/14 12:03, 6月前 , 24F
辛法網5盤 overall 54% 算蠻不好的
07/14 12:03, 24F

07/14 12:05, 6月前 , 25F
是昨天二發得分有60% 法網只有50 會不會被破差在這
07/14 12:05, 25F

07/14 12:14, 6月前 , 26F
卡第三盤之後的發球狀態掉太快了
07/14 12:14, 26F

07/14 12:20, 6月前 , 27F
説藥的要多可憐
07/14 12:20, 27F

07/14 12:23, 6月前 , 28F
通常都是沒看比賽硬要嘴一句
07/14 12:23, 28F

07/14 12:23, 6月前 , 29F
對啊 2發Alcaraz草地上這次沒退超遠去拉上旋
07/14 12:23, 29F

07/14 12:28, 6月前 , 30F
有沒有可能在草地退很後面拉上旋效果比不上在紅土
07/14 12:28, 30F

07/14 12:29, 6月前 , 31F
,而且會被巴回來?
07/14 12:29, 31F

07/14 12:31, 6月前 , 32F
或是怕拉不夠深 拉太大力又會噴出界?
07/14 12:31, 32F

07/14 12:32, 6月前 , 33F
這問題不解決 Alcaraz草地以後大概都很難贏皇帝了
07/14 12:32, 33F

07/14 12:33, 6月前 , 34F
實際上也是從他開始會這樣接發才對皇帝連勝的
07/14 12:33, 34F

07/14 12:34, 6月前 , 35F
在那之前皇帝...痾那時是太子H2H4:3領先
07/14 12:34, 35F

07/14 12:58, 6月前 , 36F
場地特性適合偏平擊快節奏的辛
07/14 12:58, 36F

07/14 14:02, 6月前 , 37F
勝負關鍵就是盤數多的人贏 盤數少的人輸
07/14 14:02, 37F

07/14 14:03, 6月前 , 38F
冷知識:分數多的不一定會贏喔
07/14 14:03, 38F

07/14 14:23, 6月前 , 39F
阿卡這波連勝前算有來有往,一度以為鴨尼要打不贏
07/14 14:23, 39F

07/14 14:23, 6月前 , 40F
阿卡了
07/14 14:23, 40F

07/14 15:14, 6月前 , 41F
發球狀態差距跟草地適合偏快速平抽,太有利辛了,
07/14 15:14, 41F

07/14 15:14, 6月前 , 42F
能速戰速決策略下優勢明顯
07/14 15:14, 42F

07/14 15:28, 6月前 , 43F
網球妙的是數據不如對方但是還可以贏球
07/14 15:28, 43F

07/14 17:08, 6月前 , 44F
藥王弱點就是上旋球之前豆示範過希望有人跟阿卡說
07/14 17:08, 44F

07/14 17:11, 6月前 , 45F
上旋球也要紅土場地彈得高才有用,硬地,草地應該
07/14 17:11, 45F

07/14 17:11, 6月前 , 46F
對辛沒什麼殺傷力
07/14 17:11, 46F

07/14 20:33, 6月前 , 47F
關鍵在於新藥
07/14 20:33, 47F

07/14 21:50, 6月前 , 48F
硬地看場地 其實草地這場一開始似乎也還是有點用的
07/14 21:50, 48F

07/14 21:51, 6月前 , 49F
但效果會大打折扣沒錯
07/14 21:51, 49F

07/14 23:33, 6月前 , 50F
卡每盤都被辛穩穩破一局,真的太浪
07/14 23:33, 50F

07/16 22:08, 6月前 , 51F
這次就他自己真的打不贏而已
07/16 22:08, 51F
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