[外電] Potential Trade Scenarios for DW7

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http://ppt.cc/EPdn Potential Trade Scenarios and Packages for Derrick Williams Brace Hemmelgarn-USA TODAY Sports Derrick Williams certainly hasn't lived up to the expectations he generated before being selected by the Minnesota Timberwolves at No. 2 in the 2011 NBA draft, and now his team is attempting to unload him for an opportunity to move up in the 2013 version of the player-selection process. DW還沒有打出當初灰狼用第二順位選他進來的期望值,所以呢~他的球隊也許會想要用他 來換取2013選秀的另一個機會。 According to the Pioneer Press' Charley Walters, the Wolves are looking to package D-Will and the No. 9 pick in the 2013 NBA draft for a chance to move up: 根據Pioneer Press的Charley Walters所說,灰狼想要打包九號簽和DW來換取簽位的升級 。 Looks like TWolves will try to deal Derrick Williams and No. 9 pick to move up in NBA draft. — Charley Walters (@Charley_Walters) June 3, 2013 Based on team needs, Minnesota is doing this for a better shot at landing a standout wing player in a notoriously weak draft. In another Walters report, head coach Flip Saunders confirmed the prevailing assumption that he is looking for height at the 2: 以球隊的需求來看,灰狼這操作的目的在於取得一個擁有更好投射能力的側翼球員。在 Walters 的另一篇報導裡,總教練老桑(這應該是搞錯了,老桑現在是總裁才對)承認了 他的確想在SG這位置補強些身材。 Because we're so small there...Outside of (6-6 Alexey) Shved, who can play the '2', our other guys who play '2' a lot, (J.J.) Barea and Luke (Ridnour), are 6-foot players and having to guard guys like (6-6) Kobe Bryant and those guys. 這位置我們簡直弱到爆,除了勉強能頂上2號的六尺六Shved外,就剩六尺的JJB和Ridnour 而已了,而他們卻得去防守六尺六的Kobe等等的大隻後衛。 What you want is a '2' guard that has size and can shoot the ball. 所以灰狼的目標就很明確了:有身材、能投射的正常SG。 Based on those quotes, it's a safe bet that Minnesota is working toward drafting either Victor Oladipo, Ben McLemore or Shabazz Muhammad. That's the assumption we'll be working with when analyzing these potential trades. 從這幾點來看,灰狼較安全的賭注應該是想辦法選到Victor Oladipo、Ben McLemore或是 Shabazz Muhammad。下面的各種假設操作都是為了升級簽位,想辦法選到上面三個人。 As you read on, please note that the following trades are speculation. They have not been confirmed by any legitimate sources and, as such, have not officially entered into the rumor mill. 你下面讀到的交易提案都是講爽的。這些提案都沒有被任何消息來源確認,連乳摸的乳都 還沒擠出來。 Orlando Magic 奧蘭多魔術隊。 The Minnesota Timberwolves would be getting a high enough draft pick here that there’s no need to include a player in return. By giving them the second selection in the draft, the Orlando Magic essentially would be assuring that the Wolves will be able to land the player they most covet. 目標簽位夠高,所以灰狼應該沒辦法順便撈個球員回來。如果拿到魔術的二號簽,灰狼應 該可以選到遢他們最想要得人。 I believe Minnesota's main motivation in moving up is twofold: It wants to unload Williams while his value is still relatively high, and it wants to land either Victor Oladipo, Shabazz Muhammad or Ben McLemore, as discussed on the first slide. 我想灰狼的主要目標有兩個:趁DW還相對有價值時快交易他,同時也能拿到那三人之一。 Seeing as the Cleveland Cavaliers are likely to either draft Nerlens Noel, select Otto Porter in a draft-day twist or trade away the pick, Minnnesota would have the pick of the litter in this scenario. 看起來騎士應該還是會選Nerlens Noel,或是在選秀日換籤選Otto Porter。總之根據灰狼 的劇本,這操作應該管用。 But, would the Magic do it? 不過呢,魔術會餐一腳嗎? They might be hesitant, but the ultimate summer goal for Orlando general manage Rob Hennigan should be to stockpile as much talent as possible. If that means adding one non-rookie and moving down a few spots, it would make sense because he's doubling the number of high-potential players that he brings on to the roster. 他們也許會猶豫,但魔術GM Rob Hennigan的目標應該是累積天份。如果一隻簽換成一個 較低順位的簽並且還多了一個非新秀的潛力球員,雙倍天份雙倍美味,也許他會有興趣。 Parting with the No. 2 selection would be painful, but it would ultimately maximize the Magic's chances of landing a special player. Remember, Williams could still develop into one. 弄掉二號簽會有點痛苦,但是這操作應該符合魔術的方針。要記得,DW還有很多潛力。 Washington Wizards Let's play the same game we're playing with every other potential trade in this article: Does this trade allow the Timberwolves to get what they need? And would the other team do it? 接下來都會依照這思路重複。這交易能不能讓灰狼拿到想要的?交易對象他們呢? The answer to the first question is still a resounding yes. With three primary targets and only two teams selecting ahead of them in this situation, there's a 100 percent chance that either Ben McLemore, Shabazz Muhammad or Victor Oladipo would still be on the board. 前面的部份是『Yes』。有三個主要對象、手拿三號簽,灰狼怎樣都能選隻SG回來。 In fact, it's likely that two of them will be, because Nerlens Noel won't be slipping down to No. 3. 事實上應該有兩隻可選,因為Nerlens Noel絕不會留到三號簽。 We're all clear on that front. 話先說清楚。 The problem here is that there's no reason for the Washington Wizards to make this deal with Minnesota. They're an up-and-coming team with sights set on a playoff spot at the conclusion of the 2013-14 season, putting them in a drastically different situation than Rob Hennigan and the Orlando Magic. 巫師隊沒理由找我們交易。他們是向上中的球隊,和魔術不一樣。 Washington no longer needs to be randomly adding talent and hoping it works out because the pieces are already in place. Now the Wizards can target more specialized players and really start thinking about how everything fits together into one complete playoff puzzle. 巫師不太需要再累積天份了。現在巫師是得找出隊中的核心球員,然後讓每個人拼起來。 That's why they have a target firmly etched onto Otto Porter's back. Derrick Williams wouldn't fit with this team because the Wizards are looking for a small forward, and the former No. 2 pick is markedly worse at the 3 than the 4. According to 82games.com, Williams played better defense against opposing small forwards, but it wasn't enough to make up for his lack of offensive production. DW不合巫師需求,他們要得是SF。而DW在SF這位置並不出色,打得比PF糟多了。從82games 的資料來看,DW防守對方的SF是不錯,但是進攻方面不行。 He posted a PER of 9.3 at small forward and 14.5 at power forward. Both are below the league average, but he was well below at the 3. DW在SF的PER值才9.3,而他在PF有14.5。雖然都比平均還低,但是SF的數據差多了。 Williams isn't the piece Washington is looking for. DW不是巫師想要的人。 Charlotte Bobcats 山貓隊 Potential Trade: Derrick Williams and the No. 9 Pick for the No. 4 Pick Unlike the Washington Wizards, the Charlotte Bobcats find themselves in a situation similar to the one faced by the Orlando Magic. They just want to acquire talent. 和巫師隊不一樣,山貓目前的狀況和魔術差不多、差不多爛。他們得累積天份。 Barring a ridiculous rash of injuries to all other Eastern Conference teams (yet somehow bypasses the Bobcats), Michael Jordan's organization isn't going to be competing for a playoff spot anytime soon. The team has a few intriguing pieces, but it's still squarely in the talent-collection portion of the rebuilding process. 就算東區很多球隊遭受了傷病的打擊,不過紅衣光頭23號的山貓隊距離季後賽大概有三十 萬光年這麼遠。隊裡頭沒幾個管用的球員,所以他們的重建得從累積天份開始。 Although the combined jump-shooting inconsistency of Byron Mullens and Derrick Williams would be infuriating—especially when coupled with Bismack Biyombo's glaring obliviousness on the offensive end—the acquisition of a former lottery pick who hasn't yet been given a true chance to shine would actually be a savvy move. 由於Byron Mullens和DW兩人的跳投都不太穩定,搭在一起可能會是一場災難—中鋒還是 Biyombo,一個在進攻端跟隱形人差不多的傢伙。這幾年的樂透簽根本沒讓他們有機會發 光發亮,基本上只是在玩省錢大作戰而已。 Especially because this is a weak draft, moving down five spots wouldn't hurt the Bobcats all that much. 反正山貓的選秀已經爛到有剩,所以降低幾個順位也不痛不癢啦。 However, the concurrent jump up in the order would do wonders for the Minnesota Timberwolves, because it would give them the ability to draft one of their targets. 不過呢,這樣的操作夠讓灰狼選到他們想選的球員。 The expected order of the first three picks is Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore and Otto Porter—meaning that both Victor Oladipo and Shabazz Muhammad would be left on the board. 前三名的新秀大概是Nerlens Noel、Ben McLemore和Otto Porter,所以灰狼應該可以選 Victor Oladipo和Shabazz Muhammad。 Seeing as that's their motivation for this trade, it's hard to see why the Wolves would hesitate to pull the trigger. 看看交易換來的成果,灰狼的確找不到啥理由不扣下扳機。 Phoenix Suns 鳳凰城太陽隊 Potential Trade: Derrick Williams and the No. 9 Pick for the No. 5 Pick Once we get down to No. 5 overall, we're starting to push it on whether Ben McLemore, Victor Oladipo and Shabazz Muhammad would still be on the board. The UCLA product would be available, but the other two are more iffy. 如果拿到五號簽,那就是從三個待選SG裡挑還剩下來的。來自UCLA的新秀應該還會留下來 ,但是另外兩個難說。 Quite frankly, Muhammad should be available at No. 9, where the Minnesota Timberwolves are originally picking, which leads me to believe that the other two wings would be the primary targets in these potential trades. 其實如果運氣好的話,灰狼手上的九號簽室友可能撿到Muhammad。所以我相信灰狼真正的 目標是其他兩人。 McLemore—barring an unforeseen draft-day plummet—would be long gone by the time David Stern is strolling to the podium for the fifth time, but No. 5 is right where I expect Oladipo to go. The Charlotte Bobcats don't have a need for his skill set, so expect them to take either, Alex Len, C.J. McCollum, Anthony Bennett or Trey Burke and, if somehow available, Nerlens Noel, McLemore and Otto Porter before Oladipo. McLemore應該早早會被挑走,但是我預測Oladipo大概就是會落在五號簽這位置。山貓不想 要他,應該會挑其他人。大概是 Alex Len、C.J. McCollum、Anthony Bennett、 Trey Burke。而如果Nerlens Noel、McLemore、Otto Porter還在,何樂而不撿呢? Minnesota should be able to draft Indiana's defensive ace if a move to No. 5 is in the cards, but the Wolves can't fall in any lower than that. 五號簽可以讓灰狼挑到Oladipo,但是別想他會跌下來給我們撿走。 While this looks good for Flip Saunders and the Minnesota brass, I don't think the Phoenix Suns will make a move. What would be their motivation to do so? 看看老桑手上的牌,我想太陽隊可能不太會感興趣。 The Suns could use Oladipo's athleticism and three-point stroke at the 2, and there's a drop-off among the prospects expected to go after the fifth pick— at least at the positions they're interested in. 太陽自己選了Oladipo的話也可以填上SG這位置,這麼剛好幹麼再自找麻煩。 Derrick Williams also doesn't fit in too well with the Suns, as they already have the Morris twins, players who are naturals at the 4 and can slide over to small forward when necessary. Plus, they both have jumpers capable of spreading out a defense, and that's one of D-Will's primary assets. DW在太陽的陣容裡也沒啥吸引力,他們已經有Morris兄弟了,這兩個人基本上也是不三不 四。他們也有三分能力拉開防守,這點也是DW的賣點。 Minnesota would need to sweeten this deal in order to make it happen, but it's not worth them including anything else since Shabazz should still be available at No. 9. 這樣的話灰狼可能就得配上一些小菜讓太陽舒服一點,不過這樣的話就有點划不來了。反 正Shabazz用九號簽是有可能撿到的。 Other Options 其他的操作 While the Minnesota Timberwolves technically have more than the four options presented in the previous slides, those four make far more sense than any others. 從前面的內容來看,灰狼大概有四個可能交易對象。 Sure, the Wolves could target the No. 1 overall pick and attempt to pry it away from the Cleveland Cavaliers. But why exactly would Cleveland want that? 當然灰狼也可以找騎士換狀元簽。不過期是幹麼這樣搞? Remember, the Cavs could trade that selection for Kevin Love, but Joe Kotoch of SheridanHoops.com believes that still wouldn't be enough. According to his speculation, Minnesota would also have to include picks No. 9 and No. 26, as well as a 2014 first-rounder, in order to make it work. 乳摸說騎士想要Love,但是SheridanHoops.com的Joe Kotoch也有表示,這灰狼出的絕對不 夠。從他的消息來說,灰狼得打包九號簽、二十六號簽,和2014的一輪簽。(屁拉!) The drop-off from that package to Derrick Williams and the No. 9 pick is rather significant. Significant enough to prevent anything from happening, in fact. 所以呢,DW加九號簽這包裹應該很清楚了。很清楚地,絕對不到騎士隊的標準。 If you move in the opposite direction and start analyzing the sixth, seventh and eighth overall picks, there isn't enough motivation for the Timberwolves to make a deal. 不過如果要去換六到八號簽,其實這幾隻簽選不到灰狼真正想要的球員。 Why would they give up Williams just to shift up a few spots in the draft and grab a player they could likely have at No. 9? 這樣的話幹麼丟掉DW去換一個簽位的升級,結果卻簽下一個和九號簽差不多的新秀呢? That just doesn't make much sense. 這絕對很奇怪呀。 Unfortunately for Minnesota, the options are rather limited. Based on this overview, the Wolves are going to stay put, improve the package or make a trade with either the Charlotte Bobcats or Orlando Magic. 灰狼隊的選項不多。所以灰狼可能得再擺一些東西上桌,才能要山貓或魔術點頭。 Smart money is on the first option. 當然啦,省吃儉用精打細算絕對是灰狼的第一選項。 -- 青梅竹馬(Mysterious stranger) 當你獲得這個技能時,你將會得到青梅竹馬更多的關注。青梅竹馬會在冒險中隨時出現 助你一臂之力,業務範圍包括:叫床、做便當、撲殺魔王。不過他們不會代替你的砲友 。 摘錄自「異塵餘生2 Restoration Project XP」 出包王者特別版 特徵 (Traits)一節 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.137.9.158

06/05 09:27, , 1F
一直有種DW去其他隊會被成功養起來的預感
06/05 09:27, 1F
※ 編輯: kawo 來自: 220.137.9.158 (06/05 14:22)

06/05 15:36, , 2F
DW潛力絕對沒問題,再給他一點時間吧
06/05 15:36, 2F

06/05 15:36, , 3F
我認為他這季的進步是有目共睹的,沒耐心的話之後會很嘔
06/05 15:36, 3F

06/08 00:38, , 4F
進步了~但你覺得他是3號嗎? 我是不這樣認為
06/08 00:38, 4F

06/08 00:47, , 5F
有人看好有人不看好囉 像WES離開灰狼也很不錯呀 這我們這裡
06/08 00:47, 5F

06/08 00:48, , 6F
完全無能 到了太陽倒是有些長起來了 球員得到發展空間 不過
06/08 00:48, 6F

06/08 00:49, , 7F
母隊沒賺到啥就是XD 看來至少DW要被交易也能給我們一些賺頭
06/08 00:49, 7F

06/08 00:53, , 8F
贏球可以解決很多問題 輸球時每個球員都可以被挑毛病
06/08 00:53, 8F

06/08 02:05, , 9F
Wes並沒有太大的改變 也許你該去看看他的進階數據
06/08 02:05, 9F

06/08 02:05, , 10F
還是命中路偏低的跳投機器 其他啥都不能做
06/08 02:05, 10F

06/08 02:08, , 11F
BTW DW的問題跟輸球一點關係都無 至少你自己的文章說出
06/08 02:08, 11F

06/08 02:09, , 12F
他的表現就是在聯盟平均值以下 關於他的討論我後來都懶得多
06/08 02:09, 12F

06/08 02:10, , 13F
說了 這兩年總覺得跟部分人是在平行時空看他打球一樣
06/08 02:10, 13F

06/08 04:06, , 14F
有時候我也常常覺得我看到的Love和其他人眼中的Love根本是
06/08 04:06, 14F

06/08 04:07, , 15F
平行時空的兩個Love呀 這點其實真的不用太在意XD
06/08 04:07, 15F

06/08 04:08, , 16F
WES就我的感覺 已經比在我們這的最後一年有進步一些了
06/08 04:08, 16F

06/08 04:09, , 17F
DW整季是在聯盟平均之下 但是2.3月的他我想是能給人點希望的
06/08 04:09, 17F

06/08 15:39, , 18F
DW本來就是會有表現的即戰力 但是LOVE沒受傷的狀況下...
06/08 15:39, 18F

06/08 15:40, , 19F
他要有表現很困難啊= =
06/08 15:40, 19F

06/08 15:44, , 20F
他打PF的活動力配合Rubio檔拆是有一定潛力的 打SF缺乏
06/08 15:44, 20F

06/08 15:47, , 21F
外圍突破能力 他的Finish不錯但要他自己帶球進去創造這
06/08 15:47, 21F

06/08 15:49, , 22F
樣的機會有點困難 只有快攻和接應傳球後穩定些但他仍然
06/08 15:49, 22F

06/08 15:50, , 23F
十分依賴身體素質 這也讓人質疑他的招式可能會不太夠用
06/08 15:50, 23F

06/08 15:54, , 24F
現況就是他需要做為禁區球員來加速成長
06/08 15:54, 24F

06/08 15:58, , 25F
灰狼這方面LOVE卡位卡的太厲害 他得有像當初Gomes在C's的
06/08 15:58, 25F

06/08 16:00, , 26F
那種機會 我們能給他的磨練其實不多
06/08 16:00, 26F

06/08 16:02, , 27F
Jeff Green也是這樣慢慢成長上來
06/08 16:02, 27F

06/08 16:07, , 28F
另一種可能性是他的外線有突破性的成長
06/08 16:07, 28F

06/08 16:13, , 29F
這樣才有可能轉往三號發展
06/08 16:13, 29F

06/10 01:01, , 30F
DW真的很依賴Rubio 關鍵還是他能否轉三號 球季後段有進步
06/10 01:01, 30F

06/10 01:03, , 31F
應該是信心上的提升 打三號的技巧還有很長的路要走
06/10 01:03, 31F

06/10 01:07, , 32F
老實說 下一季如果Love保持健康 DW勢必要被埋在板凳上
06/10 01:07, 32F

06/10 01:09, , 33F
少少的上場時間 對他的養成和球隊兩方 都不是件好事
06/10 01:09, 33F

06/10 04:08, , 34F
跟第一年比 3號技巧是有進步了 但同樓上~還有一大段路要走
06/10 04:08, 34F

06/10 20:21, , 35F
要走快點,快要換約了呀XD
06/10 20:21, 35F

06/10 20:30, , 36F
不給那位置的時間又要人家走快點 我看快點走比較實在XD
06/10 20:30, 36F

06/10 23:01, , 37F
等cost down換新約後再走快一點也不遲 齁齁
06/10 23:01, 37F
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