Re: Everyone hates Vince Carter

看板VinceCarter作者RS0328 (綿羊)時間17年前 (2008/04/12 07:36)推噓6(6推 0噓 1→)

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※ 引述《airnark (小花生小小花生小小小花)》之銘言： : I am not the biggest Vince Carter fan in the world, bit I just don’t get : when so-called NBA experts consistently hammer Vince as if he is the worst : player on the planet. For example, here is a recent quote from Bill Simmons : aka ESPN’s Sports Guy: : I don’t blame Kidd for throwing a hissy fit — I would have done the same if : I had to play with Vince Carter.” : 我不是瘋狂的卡特球迷，我只是認為一些所謂的nba專家們，好像都認為 : 卡特是一個最爛的球星，舉例說最近有一個叫比爾的說： : 我不會責怪kidd，假如我也跟卡特打球，我也會幹同樣的事！！！ : Of course, there were 5 more derogatory jabs at Vince in this article so that : Simmons could meet his anti-Vince quota. And he is not the only one. : Virtually everyone is convinced that Vince Carter is a terrible basketball : player, worthless human being and overall piece of garbage. Sure he’s done a : few bonehead things (most notably, pouting for the first 20 games in Toronto : during the 04-05 season) and he hasn’t won that many playoff games. : Although, he has won 3 more playoff series than Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and : Carmelo Anthony combined. : 這邊大概說卡特很爛沒贏過多少季後賽說卡特只贏過三次季後系列賽 : 但比姚天子踢妹跟甜瓜加起來還多＝＝ (這算是在損踢妹他們吧囧) : But did this guy steal change from handicapped children or something that I : missed? There are a number of players who are terrible guys in the NBA and : there are a lot of players making WAY too much money given their performance. : Guys who are way worse than Vince and guys who are way more overpaid. Why : Vince gets treated so poorly by virtually the entire media just baffles me. I : think its just lazy journalists taking the easy road. Its easy to just blame : Vince because everyone will accept it. : 這邊是說有一些人表現明明比卡特差或者拿的錢根本是overpaid 但是為什麼他們 : 都沒有卡特那麼容易被罵呢？？ : 應該是那些記者太懶惰因為只要罵卡特基本上大家都會接受 > <" : Well, lets take an unbiased look at the effect Vince has had on each team he : has played on since 2002-2003. The stat I want to use is adjusted +/-. : According to www.82games.com: “Adjusted +/- ratings indicate how many : additional points are contributed to a team’s scoring margin by a given : player in comparison to the league-average player over the span of a typical : game (100 offensive and defensive possessions).” Basically, it is a : statistic used to measure each players effect on his team’s performance when : he is in the game. For example… If a player had an adjusted +/- of +2.0 : while he was on court and -2.0 off court that would give him a net adjusted : +/- of +4.0. Obviously, the higher your net adjusted +/-, the more important : you are to your team’s success. Lets look how Carter stacks up… : 科科那我們就來用個測量方式吧 Adjusted +/- ratings : 這個可以測量球員在球場上的表現然後批哩啪啦解釋了這公式是啥咪 : ( ′-`)y-～ : 2002-2003 - On Court: -0.4, Off Court: - 9.0, Net: +8.6 (1st on team) : Vince missed a lot of time this year, but was still easily the Raptors most : effective player at +8.6. The Raptors were about average when he was on the : court (-0.4) and completely terrible when he was not (-9.0). Closest player : on team to Carter was Antonio Davis at +6.6. : 在2003~2003球季這一年一開始卡特錯失了一些比賽 : 但他仍是暴龍隊中效率最好低 : 卡特在球場上時 +/-是-0.4 不在時是-9.0 整個正分是8.6 : 全隊只有Davis 比較接近他 \(^▽^)/ : 2003-2004 - On Court: -0.1, Off Court: - 9.6, Net: +9.4 (1st on team) : Basically the same story as last except Carter didn’t miss any time. His : +9.4 was more than double any other Raptor… and Toronto fans wonder why : Vince wanted to leave? : 接下來只講2003~2004啦正分更恐怖了是+9.4 全隊第一 : 他比任何暴龍球員的績效X2 還厲害科科 : 多倫多球迷真的知道卡特為何要離開嗎？ : 2004-2005 - On Court: +3.3, Off Court: - 7.6, Net: +10.9 (3rd on team) : Clearly Carter was having a great positive effect on his new team (now the : Nets). He was behind Kidd (who was 2nd in the NBA to Tim Duncan) and 0.2 : behind Jason Collins. Richard Jefferson… how about -4.3? Of course, in 20 : games with the Raptors Carter was horrible at -8.3. You could easily make a : case that Carter mailed it in (he basically admitted to)… and I’m sure : thats why Raptors fans hate him! : 2004~2005年卡特成績在全隊排第三 : 但排第一的kidd 全聯盟也只輸小叮噹而已 : 而卡特在暴龍隊的20場比賽他的績效是-8.3 : 所以我確定暴龍粉絲們是恨他的 : 2005-2006 - On Court: +5.4, Off Court: - 10.1, Net: +15.5 (1st on team) : Only Dwyane Wade at +15.8 had a better net rating than Carter. : 2005~2006年是15.5 只有wade比卡特高啊而卡特也是全隊第一 : 2006-2007 - On Court: +0.8, Off Court: - 6.6, Net: +7.4 (2nd on team) : Kidd had a slightly higher net (+8.3) but Carter is clearly still a very : effective player. A lot more effective than say Richard Jefferson at +2.1. : Have you ever heard anyone say anything bad about Jefferson? Me neither. But : Carter is a much more effective player. : 2006~2007 卡特成績是全隊第二僅次於接生小孩而且績效還是十分的好 : 高於jefferson 的2.1 但是有人聽說jeff被嫌不好嗎？ : (差不多是在講這樣啦就是說卡特明明績效很好卻一直被嫌棄) : 2007-2008 - On Court: -2.2, Off Court: - 11.7, Net: +9.5 (1st on team) : Once again, Carter is the statistically the most effective player on his : team. Kidd is +5.6 and Jefferson is -0.2. But Vince Carter is the problem? : 2007~2008 卡特又是第一了比接生小孩的5.6和Jefferson的-0.2強多了 : 所以卡特是問題嗎？囧興 : So to recap, over the past 6 years, Vince has had at least a +7.4 net : adjusted +/-, leading his team during 4 seasons with a high of +15.5, when he : was second in the league. So why wouldn’t players want to play with him? : Clearly teams are much better when Vince is on the court. Could anyone even : argue against that? The goal of each basketball game is to outscore your : opponents and when Vince is on the court, he has given his team a MUCH better : chance to win. The only downpoint is the 20 game stretch of horrible : basketball to start the 04-05 season. : 一句話嘿嘿卡特在過去六年平均有+7.4 有四季全隊第一最高還有15.5 : 事實上卡特在場上時球隊成績是比較好的啦當他在場上 : 球隊贏球的機會就會比較大啊 : 只有在暴龍那20場除外 XD : 囧想睡覺了 : 先來去睡啦 : 還沒翻完的就靠其他沒睡的強者啊 : ( ′-`)y-～後面的翻譯！接續下文 Now I am not saying that Carter is an angel or that he didn’t mail it in in those 20 games for the Raptors. But for the hate this guy gets you would think that it was him, not Kidd, who beat his wife. How many DUIs does Carter have? How many strip club shootings? Hell, was it him or Chauncey Billups that raped* that woman back in 1999? (*Allegedly). 我不是來說VC是個天使或是他不應在暴龍那20場比賽擺爛。但人們想起該被責備的總是VC而非KIDD(但KIDD還打他老婆呢！)VC做了多少的DUI？多少的Club 投射？他X的，VC也沒有像 Billup 被人控訴在1999強暴一位女性？ As far as Bill Simmons goes, he seemed a lot more knowledgeable about the NBA a few years back. I actually love Simmons’ articles and he’s my favorite sports writer. But I just really question some of his comments recently on the NBA. He actually like the Shaq/Marion deal for the Suns? Seriously?! And why hammer Carter in every column? 到目前為止Bill 所說的，他似乎在早些年前是一位很了解NBA的人。我也非常欣賞BILL的文章他也是我喜歡的體育專欄作家。但我對於他在NBA的一些見解實在有些疑問。他也很喜歡 Shaq/Marion的太陽隊交易？說真的！？為什麼他如此打擊VC呢？ Why not take shots at the wildly overrated Carmelo Anthony? Not only does ‘ Melo participate in gang sponsored “Stop Snitching” videos and sucker punch guys then run away, but he doesn’t even try on defense. Literally he is lost on defense AND he gives no effort. Not only that, but he has shown no willingness to improve his defense yet in his career. You want to talk about an overrated, overpaid bad off-court guy, there he is. How about these adjusted +/- rating for Carmelo the past 3 years… -0.5, +0.2, and +0.6. And he’s a All-Star starter in the loaded West? Give me a break! Of course, no sports writer will ever bring this up. 那我們不妨來看看MELO的過於神化的報導？Melo在場外總是闖出許許多多的禍一些幫派事件，同時再球場上也沒有做出很多貢獻和防守，在生涯的前期更沒有意願想要提升他的防守。你一定會想討論來說他是如何被過於神話的，過高的薪資和一些場外的紛爭事件。來看看他過去3年的效率數據 -.05 ,+0.2 +0.6但他卻是在西區人滿為患的固定先發，饒了我吧！當然！沒有一位作家像我這樣說出這些事情來。 Alright, I am just rambling at this point. If anyone has actually read this far, I will just add this… Simmons’ boy Danny Granger (who, for whatever reason, he thinks is the greatest player since Larry Bird) has the following net adjusted +/- for his career so far: -6.1, -0.4 and -6.5. So when Granger is on the court, the Pacers are clearly a worse team than when he is off the court. And the Pacers are terrible, so what does that say about Granger? You really think that Larry Bird is drunk dialing other GMs because he drafted this guy? You have got to be kidding me. I’d take Carter over Granger as a player (this season) and its not even close. 好吧!我只是以這個效率數據再亂說話(指這件VC被人批評的事)。假使有任何人看到文章至此，我再提一個BILL所喜愛的球員 Danny(不管什麼理由！他似乎是繼BIRD之後最優秀的球員)他的效率數據如下，當DANNY在場上時 -6.1 , -.04 ,-6.5 因此DANNY在球場時對 PACER是帶來''負面''的貢獻，所以PACER現在如此地慘，但有任何人說DANN不好嗎？你想 Bird會自打嘴巴嗎？當初就是BIRD選DANNY進來的？你一定再跟我開玩笑吧！我認為這一球季VC是比DANNY好很多的。 OK, enough of this… time to watch Lost. 好吧~!我想說的已經說完了...........差不多到此結束 EDIT(Added on 2/29): Vince makes $13.3 mil this year, the 31st highest paid player in the league. Is he overpaid? Probably a little. Check out some of these other salaries though… VC的年薪是13.3Million ，全聯盟排第31名。他真是的被高出薪資的人嗎？可能一點點吧！看看以下這些球員，他們的薪水................. Shaq - $20.0M Jermaine O’Neal - $19.7M Stephon Marbury - $19.0M Chris Webber - $19.0M Michael Finley - $18.6M Ben Wallace - $15.5M Rashard Lewis - $14.9M (that he signed this year!) Mike Bibby - $13.5M Zach Randolph -$13.3M Kenyon Martin - $13.3M Wally Szczerbiak - $12.8M Raef LaFrentz - $12.8M Larry Hughes - $12.0M Theo Ratliff - $11.7M Kirk Hinrich - $11.3M Erick Dampier - $10.6 Bobby Simmons - $9.3M (another Bill Simmons’ guy) Troy Murphy - $9.2M Kwame Brown - $9.1M Eddy Curry - $8.9M Adonal Foyle - $8.9M Jason Williams - $8.9M Nene - $8.8M -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 59.117.125.29 ※ 編輯: RS0328 來自: 59.117.125.29 (04/12 07:36) ※ RS0328:轉錄至看板 Nets 04/12 07:38