[外電] Utah 108, Portland 92: Another day, …

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Utah 108, Portland 92: Another day, another rout for out-of-sync Blazers By Jason Quick, The Oregonian November 28, 2009, 10:51PM Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy gains control of a loose ball as Utah Jazz guard Deron Williams defends during the second quarter of their NBA basketball game Saturday in Salt Lake City. SALT LAKE CITY -- Not yet a quarter into the season, and the Trail Blazers have reached an undeniable crossroads. After the Blazers were dominated 108-92 by Utah on Saturday -- the second consecutive night the team was blown away -- many festering irritations of the season's direction surfaced while a new storyline to this drama emerged after coach Nate McMillan played Andre Miller only six minutes and 18 seconds. Pick an area, any area, and right now it is a mess. The offense has turned into a jumbled knot of confusion. The team's top two players -- Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge -- are uncomfortable and unsure of how to make the emergence of center Greg Oden mesh with their pick-and-roll magic from a year ago, often leading to hesitant shots and stalled possessions. The defense in the last two games has turned slow and soft, allowing astronomical shooting percentages -- the latest a 60.6 effort by Utah, which started when the Jazz (9-7) hit their first eight shots and nine of their first 10. Meanwhile, nobody outside of Oden is performing at a higher level than last season, and key players like Aldridge, Steve Blake and Miller have been well off their standard of play. On Saturday, one night after the Blazers trailed by 29 at home to Memphis, the Blazers fell behind 11-2 only 2:39 into a game they would eventually trail by 27. It created for interesting viewing in the fourth quarter, as the team's core was yanked and engaged in a series of animated conversations on the bench. Roy reached past Blake's shoulder and tapped Miller, asking him why he didn't play after the first quarter. Miller and Joel Przybilla talked, at one time shaking their heads. Roy passed a folded statistics sheet to Aldridge, who studied the sheet, refolded it and then put both hands over his face after discarding the sheet under the bench. Later, Roy and Aldridge talked, with Roy revealing that their conversation revolved around how different things had become this season. Afterward, in the locker room, there was an array of outlooks, with some like Roy waving red flags about the team's play while others like Oden and Aldridge only willing to say that the season still offers time for kinks to be worked out. And, of course, there was Miller's benching, which caught everyone by surprise, none more so than Miller. It appears Miller has the team's full support, as he engaged in lengthy conversations with Przybilla and Blake on the bench, and then drew the concern of Roy. Then, after Miller gave a noncontroversial interview, during which he answered every question professionally, Oden tapped him on the knee and offered a fist, which Miller bumped. What were once smoldering hot spots on this team have suddenly taken spark, presenting McMillan with his biggest challenge in this new era of successful Blazers basketball. And for the first time, it doesn't appear McMillan has the unquestioned support from key players. The Blazers players are most concerned about the offense, which has undergone a decided change from last season, when Roy and Aldridge dominated the ball and shots with pick-and-roll variations. This season, with Oden becoming a formidable and effective option, the offense more often revolves around entry passes to Oden. McMillan says it is up to the players to figure out how to make that dynamic work. The players say the system now isn't working because both Roy and Aldridge are struggling. That was the central topic on the bench near the end of the game, when Roy spoke to Aldridge with his shirt over his lips. "Me and L.A. talked about how things were different," Roy said. "And more than anything why the change from last year, when we were a good team. I think we have somewhat changed our focus. Instead of keeping that focus and just improving around it, we have adjusted." Roy was reminded that Oden has been effective, entering the game second in the NBA at 63.2 percent, and when asked how all three offensive options can work together, he chuckled. "I don't know. That's why coaches coach," Roy said. "I just go out there, you know? He's the coach." Roy said he has seen this coming for weeks. "I'm not sitting here totally surprised by it," Roy said. "There were times when we won games and we still don't seem to have it. It's kind of right in our face now. ... I just don't think people fully understand. They were like, 'We won 6 of 7,' but I'm like, 'Nah, I'm still a little concerned how things are going right now.' Because I don't think anyone is really seeing the light at the end of the tunnel right. Meaning nobody knows how to fix it." Whether these sparks take flame could be determined in the coming weeks, when the team's schedule slows down, allowing for more rest and practice time. Both McMillan and the players said the team is worn down, having played the most games (19) in the NBA. The Blazers don't play again until Tuesday at home against Miami, then have three more days off until a Saturday home game against Houston. "Last night wasn't a good night and tonight wasn't a good night," McMillan said, his voice as hoarse as it has ever been after a game. "What we have to do is ... it's two games. We are 12-7; we don't want to go crazy here. We've dropped two games and they were two bad games. We know we got some work to do to get better ... and we have time to do that." That was a similar refrain heard from Aldridge and Oden. Both agreed that things are not in sync and that the team has changed dramatically from last season. But they both stressed that this has been a tiring stretch and that upcoming practices can be a good time to fix problems. "Things are different, but that's not to say it can't work," Aldridge said. "When you add better players to a team, you have to figure out how to incorporate everybody." Added Oden: "We have a lot of weapons. We are just trying to figure out how to use them all." One of those weapons, Miller, was hardly used at all Saturday. He entered the game with 6:18 left in the first quarter and the Blazers trailing 19-7. He played the rest of the quarter, missing all four of his shots, including two puzzling three-pointers, while getting two assists, committing two turnovers and taking one foul. When the quarter ended with the Blazers trailing 32-17, Miller was taken out and never returned. "He doesn't seem to be moving well, and I decided to go with (Jerryd) Bayless," McMillan said. When asked if he thought Miller was injured, McMillan gave the same response. Miller, however, said he was not injured and felt he was moving fine. Miller on Friday night did fall hard on his right hip, but he kept playing. His appearance on Saturday was his 549th consecutive game played, the longest active streak in the NBA. "Yeah, I'm surprised," Miller said. "But, oh well, you move on to the next game. The game is over. That's behind me now. I can't control that. Ain't no use in getting worked up over it." Miller said he has never been used so little in any game he has played, but said he doesn't plan to address McMillan with his concerns. "Nah. I won't say nothin'," Miller said. "I keep my mouth closed and keep a movin'." http://tinyurl.com/ydwe86z ------------------------------------------------ 重點節錄: "I don't know. That's why coaches coach," Roy said. "I just go out there, you know? He's the coach." "I'm still a little concerned how things are going right now. Because I don't think anyone is really seeing the light at the end of the tunnel right. Meaning nobody knows how to fix it." Aldridge said. "When you add better players to a team, you have to figure out how to incorporate everybody." Added Oden: "We have a lot of weapons. We are just trying to figure out how to use them all." 面對兩場膛炸 Roy注意到三弟超強,但對於如何好好用他,他表示: "蛙啊災??這是為什麼教練要教的啊,我只是去做,他才是教練" 一哥說前途無亮 二哥說有更好的球員加入,就要知道如何結合每一個人 三弟說我們有很多武器,我們只需要去試試怎麼用上所有的武器 越來越刺激了,噗噗 Rank"A",你再不拿出點料來,球員就快揭竿起義了 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.137.168.247 ※ 編輯: and1018 來自: 114.137.168.247 (11/30 00:21)

11/30 00:21, , 1F
頭推,解顧~救拓荒!!!
11/30 00:21, 1F

11/30 00:25, , 2F
三個型還蠻像桃園三結義的
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11/30 00:27, , 3F
有沒有三弟看起來比一哥老的八卦...
11/30 00:27, 3F

11/30 00:29, , 4F
如果這樣說的話...NATE是諸葛亮嗎?七奇有這麼遜嗎...
11/30 00:29, 4F

11/30 00:29, , 5F
BLAKE有廖化的感覺...可是我們現在還不到後期阿...五虎將都在
11/30 00:29, 5F

11/30 00:38, , 6F
諸葛亮是KP吧
11/30 00:38, 6F

11/30 00:54, , 7F
諸葛亮是KP大神 那看看會不會有淚斬馬謖的橋段XD
11/30 00:54, 7F

11/30 01:08, , 8F
Miller似乎很無奈..
11/30 01:08, 8F

11/30 01:10, , 9F
到底Miller的角色在哪 還是霧殺殺
11/30 01:10, 9F

11/30 01:41, , 10F
RANK對blake的愛 無庸置疑 幫他鞏固好先發位置
11/30 01:41, 10F

11/30 01:42, , 11F
讓他明年可以繼續續約 可以換一下教練嗎?
11/30 01:42, 11F

11/30 01:43, , 12F
簽了Miller又不用 不知道在想什麼
11/30 01:43, 12F

11/30 03:15, , 13F
Miller是龐統吧 @_@
11/30 03:15, 13F

11/30 06:43, , 14F
據線報~廖化手中握有主帥把柄,目前尚待查證..
11/30 06:43, 14F

11/30 09:01, , 15F
教練的意思不是很清楚了
11/30 09:01, 15F

11/30 09:02, , 16F
Miller的走位不如Blake,他的進攻對球隊來說很雞肋
11/30 09:02, 16F

11/30 09:03, , 17F
因為不需要他的得分能力,球隊的戰術圍繞在他們三個
11/30 09:03, 17F

11/30 09:06, , 18F
沒有要戰的意思,不喜歡聽的就當我放屁,我不回應
11/30 09:06, 18F

11/30 09:08, , 19F
Miller的價值在他的經驗,當Roy需要休息的時候
11/30 09:08, 19F

11/30 09:08, , 20F
還有人能帶著球隊,其他什麼個人能力,說真的...
11/30 09:08, 20F

11/30 09:11, , 21F
拓隊不需要他,Blake跑位很勤也很清楚,有助戰術運作
11/30 09:11, 21F

11/30 09:11, , 22F
會提到Blake不是替他護航,只是他上場時間多
11/30 09:11, 22F

11/30 09:13, , 23F
球迷聲音也多,自然就多看到他的打法,並沒這麼糟
11/30 09:13, 23F

11/30 09:15, , 24F
至於這個球員個人攻守能力怎麼樣,每個人都清楚
11/30 09:15, 24F

11/30 09:16, , 25F
我不覺得過半場--->球給Roy--->fade out看戲--->等Roy傳
11/30 09:16, 25F

11/30 09:16, , 26F
但是下次看比賽可以多比較Blake跟Miller的打法
11/30 09:16, 26F

11/30 09:16, , 27F
算是跑位很勤 很清楚是沒錯啦
11/30 09:16, 27F

11/30 09:18, , 28F
有助於戰術運作 也只是因為Nate還不就那幾招
11/30 09:18, 28F

11/30 09:18, , 29F
是否進攻的主軸跟戰術執行明朗很多
11/30 09:18, 29F

11/30 09:19, , 30F
球員都開始覺得Nate整合不太起來現有的陣容了
11/30 09:19, 30F

11/30 09:20, , 31F
Miller就算了 他們連Oden都覺得教練小用他了
11/30 09:20, 31F

11/30 09:20, , 32F
那是因為好食材太多,一時不知道怎麼炒
11/30 09:20, 32F

11/30 09:21, , 33F
如果要火教練也不是不行,不過下個教練是不是就有辦法
11/30 09:21, 33F

11/30 09:21, , 34F
或許KP該幫他寫個推薦函 去幫助籃網奮起
11/30 09:21, 34F

11/30 09:22, , 35F
融合出一套最成功的攻守,這則有待時間證明
11/30 09:22, 35F

11/30 09:23, , 36F
既然球員都說話了,就看教練能不能有積極正面的回應
11/30 09:23, 36F

11/30 09:23, , 37F
真要不行的話,他自己只會瞭解他不夠能力帶這球隊
11/30 09:23, 37F

11/30 09:23, , 38F
11/30 09:23, 38F

11/30 09:25, , 39F
Oden一直以來都有容易犯規的問題
11/30 09:25, 39F
還有 29 則推文
11/30 12:42, , 69F
我打太快 XD 請把我第一句的"並不是"忽略
11/30 12:42, 69F

11/30 12:43, , 70F
Miller的三分爛很久了... 中距離倒是還可以
11/30 12:43, 70F

11/30 12:44, , 71F
這還是進攻面的問題 防守問題更大條 一整個team都有問題
11/30 12:44, 71F

11/30 12:44, , 72F
總覺得換個教練來教快攻倒是還不錯..
11/30 12:44, 72F

11/30 12:45, , 73F
連進攻都有問題了阿- -..
11/30 12:45, 73F

11/30 12:50, , 74F
A米中距離還好 但他好像是慢熱型的 久一點才會有準
11/30 12:50, 74F

11/30 12:52, , 75F
S.Rodriguez 24:00 9-14 2-4 4-4 +20 24分
11/30 12:52, 75F

11/30 12:56, , 76F
簡單說 有Roy的球隊 控衛這位置不是這麼重要
11/30 12:56, 76F

11/30 12:57, , 77F
因為他打球既穩重又聰明,以他的年紀,這很難得
11/30 12:57, 77F

11/30 12:58, , 78F
Blake進攻單調 防守不佳 經驗也輸符合教練需求 但不能服眾
11/30 12:58, 78F

11/30 12:59, , 79F
Roy可以說是整個聯盟最能帶領一隻球隊的球星
11/30 12:59, 79F

11/30 13:00, , 80F
(個人觀感,個人立場)勿戰
11/30 13:00, 80F

11/30 13:01, , 81F
會說Blake比Miller更適合配Roy,主因就是Blake瞭解
11/30 13:01, 81F

11/30 13:02, , 82F
他自己的角色定位,而且夠積極也夠聰明,(不討論效率
11/30 13:02, 82F

11/30 13:05, , 83F
那Miller為什麼比較不適合配Roy,因為他會見機行事
11/30 13:05, 83F

11/30 13:06, , 84F
那換來一個防守好,外線準,推進快的PG好了
11/30 13:06, 84F

11/30 13:07, , 85F
而他做的事情,該是由Roy來做,無關能力,只因為隊形
11/30 13:07, 85F

11/30 13:08, , 86F
也可以,小前跟控衛放兩把鎖+一點外線,這樣也好打
11/30 13:08, 86F

11/30 13:09, , 87F
但是一隻球隊不是只有5個人,所以陣容的搭配很重要
11/30 13:09, 87F

11/30 13:12, , 88F
不管怎麼配,球隊的重點在那三個人身上,尤其是Oden
11/30 13:12, 88F

11/30 13:12, , 89F
他有成為聯盟第一中鋒的條件,還有一個稱職的替補
11/30 13:12, 89F

11/30 13:16, , 90F
拓荒者有讓人流口水的一群年輕人,好好搞未來會很驚人
11/30 13:16, 90F

11/30 13:24, , 91F
Blake這季的表現,完全可以抵消你所謂的適合,因為他現在
11/30 13:24, 91F

11/30 13:24, , 92F
在場上,拓荒者彷彿是4打5,嚴重的時候甚至是4打6
11/30 13:24, 92F

11/30 13:25, , 93F
這個時候講難聽點,Miller管它配不配,就算不配也比blake
11/30 13:25, 93F

11/30 13:25, , 94F
更能給拓荒者貢獻....
11/30 13:25, 94F

11/30 13:33, , 95F
看來只有火了Nate冷凍或交易Blake才能平息眾怒
11/30 13:33, 95F

11/30 13:36, , 96F
就像Roy說的,球隊需要一個明確的方向
11/30 13:36, 96F

11/30 13:37, , 97F
不適合就趁早砍了吧,趁早重練,這陣容隨便打隨便強
11/30 13:37, 97F

11/30 13:38, , 98F
反正也不關我的事,只是對於拓隊的成長很期待
11/30 13:38, 98F

11/30 13:39, , 99F
所以才會發表一些自己的想法,謝謝各位的包容
11/30 13:39, 99F

11/30 13:46, , 100F
恩 適合戰術體系是一回事 表現是一回事 適合教練戰術
11/30 13:46, 100F

11/30 13:47, , 101F
體系 卻不能為球隊帶來實質貢獻?禾斗~禾斗
11/30 13:47, 101F

11/30 13:58, , 102F
其實我比較期待接下來的拓荒者會做什麼樣的改變
11/30 13:58, 102F

11/30 13:59, , 103F
究竟將帥不合的問題能不能克服
11/30 13:59, 103F

11/30 14:00, , 104F
新的走向會將拓荒者導向何方
11/30 14:00, 104F

11/30 16:38, , 105F
絕對支持Nate 和Blake
11/30 16:38, 105F

11/30 16:38, , 106F
兩個人一起火掉!
11/30 16:38, 106F

12/11 05:34, 7年前 , 107F
大家講話都客氣點咩 沒 https://muxiv.com
12/11 05:34, 107F

04/20 03:21, 7年前 , 108F
算是跑位很勤 很清楚是 https://muxiv.com
04/20 03:21, 108F
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