[分享] 是的,George Springer,道奇迷記得2017

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Dodgers Opinion: George Springer can rake in October. He also deserves every boo LA rains down on him LOS ANGELES — The Blue Jays’ George Springer is a gifted postseason player. That much no one disputes. He’s hit 23 home runs in just under 80 playoff games and has a knack for delivering when the lights are brightest. Including his latest feat, a go-ahead homer that lifted Toronto over a heartbroken Seattle team into the World Series. But when the World Series shifts to Los Angeles next week, Dodgers fans won’t see just another clutch hitter. They’ ll see the man who helped cheat them out of a title in 2017. 藍鳥隊的 George Springer 是一名天生的季後賽好手,這點無人可否認。 他在不到 80 場季後賽中擊出 23 支全壘打,總能在鎂光燈最亮的時刻挺身而出。 最近,他又擊出一發致勝全壘打,幫助多倫多擊敗心碎的西雅圖,闖入世界大賽。 但當世界大賽下週轉戰洛杉磯時,道奇球迷看到的,不僅是一名關鍵時刻的強打者—— 他們看到的,是一個 2017 年那個協助作弊、讓他們和冠軍擦身而過的人。 The boos he hears at Dodger Stadium will not come from nowhere. They will come from seven years of memory, from the sound of a trash can echoing under Minute Maid Park, and from a city that still feels robbed. Springer 在道奇體育場聽到的噓聲,不會是無的放矢。 那是七年來的記憶,是休士頓 Minute Maid Park 底下垃圾桶的回音, 是一座仍感覺被搶奪走榮耀的,城市的憤怒。 MLB’s own investigation confirmed what most Dodgers players suspected even during that Fall Classic: the Houston Astros used a camera in center field to steal opposing catchers’ signs, then relayed that information to hitters through banging noises in the dugout tunnel. Commissioner Rob Manfred’s report laid it out plainly. The system was elaborate, it was illegal, and it continued through the 2017 postseason. The Astros kept the championship, and their players were given immunity in exchange for cooperating. Not one of them faced suspension. MLB 的官方調查證實了當年道奇球員早已懷疑的事: 休士頓太空人隊利用中外野的攝影機偷看捕手暗號,並透過休息區通道敲打垃圾桶, 把訊息傳給打者。 聯盟主席 Rob Manfred 的報告白紙黑字記載: 那套系統複雜、違法,並持續到 2017 年季後賽。 太空人保留了冠軍,而他們的球員則因配合調查而獲得免責,沒有任何一個人被禁賽。 Even journalists who have praised Springer’s leadership have refused to look away from that history. Writing for the Toronto Star when Springer signed with the Blue Jays in 2021, columnist Mike Wilner reminded local readers that “ Springer’s Houston Astros were the biggest bunch of cheaters in pro sports in nearly a century.” He called it “the most brazen cheating scheme in professional sports since the 1919 Chicago Black Sox.” And that’s from one of their guys, not some LA blogger like me. 即使是讚賞 Springer 領導力的記者,也無法忽視這段歷史。 《多倫多星報》的專欄作家 Mike Wilner 在 Springer 2021 年加盟藍鳥時提醒讀者: 「Springer 所在的休士頓太空人,是近百年來職業運動中最大的作弊團體。」 稱這是「自 1919 年芝加哥黑襪事件以來,最厚顏無恥的作弊醜聞」。 這不是出自我這種洛杉磯球迷的口,而是他們自軍陣營的人說的話。 Springer, to his credit, has sometimes shown more awareness than his former teammates. During the Astros’ 2020 spring training news conference, he said, “I feel horrible for our sport, our fans, our city, our organization — just fans in general. I regret everything.” The words sounded spontaneous, unlike the short, lawyer-approved statements from Jose Altuve and Alex Bregman that same day. Yet as Wilner pointed out, Springer still stopped short of a true apology. There was regret, but not ownership. Yeah, you feel horrible, George. Didn’t give that World Series ring back, though, did you? 值得正面評價的是,Springer 有時比前隊友稍具自覺。 2020 年春訓時,他曾在記者會上說: 「我對我們的運動、球迷、城市、球團—— 還有所有球迷——都感到非常難過。我對一切都感到後悔。」 這句話不像 Jose Altuve 或 Alex Bregman 如唸稿般生硬, 但正如 Wilner 指出的那樣,Springer 仍未真正道歉。 他後悔,卻沒有承擔責任。對,George,你覺得難過—— 但那枚冠軍戒指,你可沒還回去。 When asked about the scandal after arriving in Toronto, Springer mostly brushed it off. “I believe in myself and I believe in my performances,” he told reporters. “I think this is about the Blue Jays now.” His numbers since 2017 suggest he never needed a trash can to hit in the first place, but the fact remains that he benefited from one in the most consequential October of his life. He was the World Series MVP that year. He was the face of the Astros ’ celebration. And that ring still shines in every highlight reel that omits how it was won. 加入藍鳥後,Springer 對醜聞的態度多半是淡化。 「我相信自己,相信我的表現,」他對記者說。 「我覺得現在重點在藍鳥。」 誠然,他自 2017 年以來的數據,證明他不靠垃圾桶也能打,但事實不變—— 那年十月,他確實在那個體系下獲益,並因此拿下世界大賽 MVP, 成為太空人奪冠的象徵。而那枚戒指,仍在每段精華影片裡閃閃發光, 只是影片從來不提它是怎麼來的。 FanSided writer Mark Powell summed it up this week: Springer’s playoff heroics don’t erase the trash-can era, and he will “be greeted accordingly at Chavez Ravine.” Powell noted that “no one has forgiven Springer and the Astros, not even their counterparts.” He also quoted former Dodger Cody Bellinger, who said at the time, “Everyone knows they stole the ring from us. ” 2016 World Series champ Kris Bryant went even further, calling the Astros’ apology “sad” and “insincere.” Nothing about that anger has faded here. FanSided 的作家 Mark Powell 本週寫道: Springer 在季後賽的英勇表現無法抹去垃圾桶時代, 他「將在 Chavez Ravine(道奇主場)受到應有的對待」。 Powell 指出:「沒有人原諒 Springer 或太空人,連他們的同行都沒有。」 他引用了前道奇球員 Cody Bellinger 的話: 「大家都知道他們偷走了我們的冠軍戒指。」 2016 年世界大賽冠軍 Kris Bryant 則說太空人的道歉「悲哀又虛假」。 這份憤怒,直到今天仍未平息。 Springer’s supporters like to point out that he was only one member of a team culture run amok. True, he didn’t design the camera feed or invent the code. But he swung with the benefit of knowing what pitch was coming, and that’s enough to forever stain the result. In baseball, no advantage is more sacred than surprise. Once it’s gone, the game becomes something else entirely. Springer 的支持者會說,他只是那個失控文化中的一員,並非主謀。 沒錯,他沒有設計出那套系統,但他享受了洞悉球路的好處——這就足以永遠玷污結果。 在棒球裡,沒有比「出其不意」更神聖的優勢,一旦失去,這場比賽就變成了別的東西。 For Dodgers fans, that “something else” was Game 7 at Dodger Stadium, a night that ended not in champagne but in disbelief. Clayton Kershaw later said the loss haunted him for years. Justin Turner called it “a gut punch that doesn’t go away.” They had every reason to think they’d earned a fair fight . They didn’t get one. 對道奇球迷而言,那個所謂的「別的東西」,就是 2017 年世界大賽第七戰—— 那個以失落而非香檳結束的夜晚。 Clayton Kershaw 說那場敗仗讓他多年難以釋懷; Justin Turner 則形容那是「一記永遠不會消散的重擊」。 他們有理由相信自己在進行是一場公平的比賽——但事實並非如此。 That’s why this World Series meeting feels personal. Springer may now wear Toronto blue, not Houston orange, but the uniform change doesn’t erase the past. Every time he steps into the box at Chavez Ravine, the crowd will remember the sound. They’ll remember the slow unraveling of that 2017 series, the way the Astros seemed to never miss a breaking ball, the way every Dodger pitch called for a fastball seemed doomed from the start. 這也是為什麼這次世界大賽的對決格外私密而情緒化。 Springer 現在穿的是藍鳥藍,不是太空人橘,但換了球衣並不代表過去被抹去。 每當他走上 Chavez Ravine 的打擊區,球迷就會憶起那聲聲敲擊, 記得 2017 年系列賽的崩壞、記得太空人如何總是準確打中變化球, 記得每次捕手暗號喊出快速球時,那種命中注定的絕望。 Springer has said the right things in spurts. He told The Athletic in 2020 that “we were all responsible.” It’s a step toward accountability, but accountability doesn’t mean immunity from consequence. Fans aren’t bound by Rob Manfred’s deals. They can deliver their verdict one chorus at a time. Springer 有時說出一些貌似負責任的話。他在 2020 年告訴《The Athletic》: 「我們都該負責。」這是邁向承擔的一步,但「承擔」不代表免於後果。 球迷不受他們和 Rob Manfred 交換條件的約束—— 他們可以用一波波噓聲,表達他們的裁決。 And let’s be clear: the boos aren’t just for Springer. They’re for the system that let players skate while others lost jobs and reputations. They’re for every pitcher who got sent down after being lit up in Houston. They’re for former Dodger Mike Bolsinger, who never pitched in the majors again after giving up four runs (oddly enough while pitching for Toronto) to that 2017 lineup and later filed a lawsuit claiming the Astros’ cheating altered his career. They’re for the idea that cheating could be explained away as “just part of the culture.” 而且要說清楚:那些噓聲不只是針對 Springer 個人。 它們是針對整個讓作弊者逃脫懲罰的制度; 針對那些因此丟掉飯碗、名聲受損的人; 針對每一位在休士頓被打爆、被下放的小聯盟投手; 針對前道奇投手 Mike Bolsinger —— 他在 2017 年對上那支太空人(巧合的是他當時正效力於多倫多)被爆打四分, 之後再也沒回過大聯盟,還提告指控太空人的作弊改變了他的職業生涯。 那些噓聲,是對於「作弊只是文化一部分」這種說法的否定。 Springer’s numbers since leaving Houston have proved he’s still a great player without the noise. But in Los Angeles, greatness isn’t the question. Integrity is. 自從離開休士頓後,Springer 的數據證明他依然是名出色的球員。 但在洛杉磯,問題不是「他強不強」,而是「他誠不誠」。 Dodger fans aren’t likely to throw trash cans onto the field anymore; they don’t need to. Their voices will do the work. It’s not cruelty. It’s memory , collective and justified. It’s a fan base that has waited eight years to look one of the central figures in that scandal in the eye and say, “We haven ’t forgotten.” 道奇球迷或許不再把垃圾桶扔上場——他們不需要。 只靠發聲就夠了。這不是殘酷,而是記憶——集體且正當的記憶。 這是一群等待了八年,只為在現場直視那位醜聞主角、告訴他「我們沒有忘記」的球迷。 Some will argue that it’s time to move on. They’ll say that the Dodgers have since won their own titles in 2020 and 2024, that baseball has evolved, that the sign-stealing scandal belongs to history. But history doesn’t vanish when the calendar flips. It stays alive in the stories fans tell their kids and the emotions that bubble up when a cheater returns to the scene of the crime. 有人會跟你爭,是時候放下了。 道奇都在 2020 和 2024 年奪冠了,棒球也已經往前走了,偷暗號事件該屬於歷史。 但歷史不會因日曆翻頁而消失。 它活在球迷講給孩子的故事裡,也活在當作弊者重返現場時,翻湧而出的情緒裡。 If Springer homers this week, respect the swing. He’s earned that. But remember the circumstances that made him a household name in the first place. And if he strikes out, let the noise rise from the Top Deck to the field level until it drowns out the ghosts of 2017. 如果 Springer 本週再度開轟,請尊重那個揮棒——那是他憑實力擊出的。 但也請記得,是什麼讓他當年聲名大噪。 若他被三振出局,那就讓噓聲從看台最上層湧向場邊,直到淹沒 2017 年的怨靈。 The Astros’ championship banner still hangs in Houston, but in Los Angeles it hangs like an asterisk. Springer was the MVP of that series, and for Dodger fans, he’s still the face of the fraud. 太空人的冠軍旗依舊高掛休士頓,但在洛杉磯,那面旗幟打著一個星號。 Springer 是那個系列賽的 MVP,但對道奇球迷而言,他仍是那張詐欺犯的臉孔。 He will hear it in Games 3, 4, and 5. He should. And when the Dodgers take the field, may the only banging that echoes through Chavez Ravine be the sound of bats meeting balls the honest way. 他會在第三、四、五戰聽到噓聲——這理所當然。 而當道奇隊站上球場, 願 Chavez Ravine 回蕩的唯一敲擊聲,是球棒正直地擊中棒球的聲音。 https://i.postimg.cc/J4Frc8Lf/image.png
George Springer 的父親表示,水手球迷在 ALCS 的行為「令人不齒」: 「我從沒見過球迷對受傷的球員報以噓聲。 那些球迷現在將有一個非常漫長的休賽季來反省。」 讓我們看看WS,道奇球迷會如何歡迎 Springer 吧。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.234.1.31 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Baseball/M.1761266391.A.922.html

10/24 08:41, 4小時前 , 1F
鼓聲若響
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10/24 08:44, 4小時前 , 2F
欠達爾一個冠軍
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世界大賽MVP很不純…..
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10/24 08:47, 4小時前 , 4F
若聽到鼓聲~~~
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10/24 08:56, 4小時前 , 5F
只記得達比修也是很大受害者 被當時LA球迷罵超慘
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10/24 08:56, 4小時前 , 6F
cheater
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間接造成道奇當反派毀滅棒球
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10/24 08:57, 4小時前 , 8F
作弊仔必噓
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10/24 08:57, 4小時前 , 9F
聯盟都不處理這件事真的很誇張 讓mlb變得毫無公信力
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10/24 08:59, 4小時前 , 10F
沒有不處理,只是懲處是動球團沒動到球員
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10/24 08:59, 4小時前 , 11F
會影響球員之後能否進名人堂嗎
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10/24 09:00, 4小時前 , 12F
想到那年的鼓聲就反胃
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10/24 09:00, 4小時前 , 13F
感覺比吃藥還嚴重
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10/24 09:00, 4小時前 , 14F
印象中看過一篇報導達爾對蘿蔔說太鼓人知道他要投什麼
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10/24 09:00, 4小時前 , 15F
球,蘿蔔還不相信。難怪Machado說達爾是他看過最聰明
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10/24 09:00, 4小時前 , 16F
的人之一。
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10/24 09:01, 4小時前 , 17F
好了啦 主謀都70幾趴了 可見記者根本嘴巴講講 結果
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10/24 09:01, 4小時前 , 18F
實際上還是沒很在乎
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10/24 09:01, 4小時前 , 19F
他今年到底發生什麼事,可以猛成這樣?
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聯盟:不爽不要看
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這回應好像這幾天被抓到裝病躲兵役的藝人們
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道奇加油 打爆作弊仔
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10/24 09:04, 4小時前 , 23F
有統計 他的鼓聲打席是第二多的 只少第一名一點點
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10/24 09:06, 4小時前 , 24F
正義之戰
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10/24 09:06, 4小時前 , 25F
這種作弊仔沒懲處就算了 世界冠軍頭銜應該被取消
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10/24 09:07, 4小時前 , 26F
翔平打爛作弊仔沒問題吧?
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10/24 09:08, 4小時前 , 27F
聯盟都輕輕放下了,吵什麼吵
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10/24 09:10, 4小時前 , 28F
若聽到鼓聲
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10/24 09:11, 4小時前 , 29F
為什麼一定要放下 作弊仔一輩子就承擔噓聲吧~
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10/24 09:12, 4小時前 , 30F
不然爽拿冠軍又沒任何責罰 根本逞罰被害者
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爽阿 科技的勝利 打爛邪惡帝國
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春天膝蓋要瑟瑟發抖
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這人的人格 跟隔壁NBA被抓得好像
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希望作弊仔這次不會得冠
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10/24 09:17, 4小時前 , 35F
他現在還在大聯盟佔有一席之地爽領薪水 被他害慘一輩子下
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10/24 09:17, 4小時前 , 36F
放小聯盟甚至從此回不來的投手 錢工作都沒有 公平嗎?
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10/24 09:18, 4小時前 , 37F
藍鳥加油 藍鳥冠軍
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10/24 09:19, 3小時前 , 38F
聯盟調查證實作弊 結果沒有進一步懲處 紀錄還留著也很扯
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10/24 09:19, 3小時前 , 39F
\Beat LA/
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還有 166 則推文
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麼ww
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看完這篇只覺得他跟Correa一樣不要臉
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作弊仔
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10/24 12:03, 1小時前 , 209F
這咖真的噁心 事後還裝沒事 偷了冠軍還這麽得意
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組團跟風迷現在把世界大賽的風向變成聖人大會,那道奇
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簽水原賭博仔是否應該連坐算進來,再扯呀,無聊
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笑死記得隔年春訓開始,阿偷伯上場都在打躲避球一樣
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扯水原更莫名其妙,道奇簽之前根本不知道水原是犯罪者,
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出事後也馬上開除了耶
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Tsao7141你邏輯要這麼差 這輩子也就這樣了
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沒取消那一冠真的噁心
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可憐的達爾
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水原是有上場打球作弊還是用科技偷暗號?
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這咖是作弊mvp 作弊頭目 前幾天還以為洗白
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哈 扯水原真TM問號 道奇簽他前是知道他涉賭喔
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10/24 12:11, 1小時前 , 221F
真的不要怪人家嗆你邏輯死亡
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10/24 12:11, 1小時前 , 222F
水原涉賭時間點是21年開始吧 盜用大谷美國帳戶支付生活開
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10/24 12:11, 1小時前 , 223F
銷好像更早就是了 後來還賭債盜更兇
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10/24 12:12, 1小時前 , 224F
而且水原涉賭也沒干涉到比賽的公正性,太鼓達人是直接讓
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10/24 12:12, 1小時前 , 225F
比賽的公正性受到質疑了
10/24 12:12, 225F

10/24 12:14, 1小時前 , 226F
作弊仔被噓活該
10/24 12:14, 226F

10/24 12:15, 1小時前 , 227F
有些邏輯停留在幼稚園的還在推文秀下限真的很厲害
10/24 12:15, 227F

10/24 12:20, 58分鐘前 , 228F
過了很多年了 走出來吧 面向陽光
10/24 12:20, 228F

10/24 12:20, 58分鐘前 , 229F
會不會作弊仔上場打擊先被死球招待?幫書僮報仇
10/24 12:20, 229F

10/24 12:21, 57分鐘前 , 230F
作弊仔直接禁賽世界大賽七場
10/24 12:21, 230F

10/24 12:21, 57分鐘前 , 231F
比起組大團作弊仔能得利更讓人不爽吧,不過也許某些人
10/24 12:21, 231F

10/24 12:22, 56分鐘前 , 232F
成長環境就是不斷靠作弊來得利,價值觀不同也沒啥好說
10/24 12:22, 232F

10/24 12:25, 53分鐘前 , 233F
作弊仔
10/24 12:25, 233F

10/24 12:29, 49分鐘前 , 234F
扯水原是搞不清楚狀況 亂兜....
10/24 12:29, 234F

10/24 12:33, 45分鐘前 , 235F
作弊仔必噓
10/24 12:33, 235F

10/24 12:33, 45分鐘前 , 236F
還前田達比修一個公道
10/24 12:33, 236F

10/24 12:36, 42分鐘前 , 237F
下細下井的太空人 永遠都討厭這幾個
10/24 12:36, 237F

10/24 12:41, 37分鐘前 , 238F
垃圾鼓人 把冠軍還來
10/24 12:41, 238F

10/24 12:41, 37分鐘前 , 239F
太鼓出身
10/24 12:41, 239F

10/24 12:44, 34分鐘前 , 240F
桶粉還能洗地 不簡單
10/24 12:44, 240F

10/24 12:57, 21分鐘前 , 241F
作弊迷水準不意外
10/24 12:57, 241F

10/24 12:57, 21分鐘前 , 242F
懦夫作弊仔
10/24 12:57, 242F

10/24 12:59, 19分鐘前 , 243F
作弊人
10/24 12:59, 243F

10/24 13:04, 14分鐘前 , 244F
春天應該要用一輩子反省,全壘打伴隨垃圾聲
10/24 13:04, 244F

10/24 13:06, 12分鐘前 , 245F
若聽到鼓聲
10/24 13:06, 245F
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