[外電] 對手都說了：笨蛋！問題在Kobe！
看板Lakers (洛杉磯 湖人)作者KevinGarnett (KG)時間13年前 (2012/12/21 00:27)推噓42(57推 15噓 125→)留言197則, 52人參與討論串1/4 (看更多)
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What Kobe Bryant is doing this season is both phenomenal and unprecedented.
No player in NBA history -- not Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, not Moses Malone, not
Karl Malone, not any of the league's famed ironmen -- have come close to
scoring like Bryant in his 17th professional season.
Kobe在這賽季打出既驚人且史無前例的情況。這是在NBA歷史上不曾見過的，
包括Jabbar、Moses Malone、Karl Malone，任何一個知名的長青球員，能在
第17個賽季打出這樣的成績。
Heck, most greats -- guys like Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Michael
Jordan and Jerry West -- didn't even play 17 seasons.
就連這些偉人們：張大帥、O-Rob、Jordan和Jerry West還沒能打到第17個賽
季。
So for Bryant to be leading the league in scoring at a 29.5 ppg clip while
shooting a career-high 47.7 percent from the floor is nothing short of
incredible. Before Bryant, Abdul-Jabbar had been the gold standard for
well-worn scorers, averaging 23.4 points in his 17th season. But
Abdul-Jabbar, who was 38 during that season, was clearly not near his prime,
averaging just 6.1 rebounds and 1.6 blocks, well below his career averages of
11.2 and 2.6.
到目前為止，Kobe是聯盟的得分王，平均29.5分，並且有著生涯新高的47.7%
命中率。在Kobe之前，Jabbar在第17個賽季平均得下23.4分，已經是樹立了
黃金般的指標。但那時的Jabbar已經38歲了，已經不是他的年代了，那時他
只有平均6.1個籃板和1.6個阻攻，遠低於平均的11板2.6阻攻。
Bryant, while not the athlete he once was, is still producing at the same
level he always has, posting 5.2 rebounds (5.3 is his career average), 5.0
assists (4.7 career) and 1.6 steals (1.5 career).
但Kobe卻一如往常的勇猛，有著跟生涯平均接近的表現，包括籃板(本季5.2/
生涯5.3)、助攻(5.0/4.7)和抄截(1.6/1.5)。
So it's very difficult to argue that Bryant is doing anything wrong in what,
statistically at least, is one of his best seasons ever. And numbers never
lie. But there are other numbers that say Bryant's offensive blitzkrieg is
actually hurting the struggling Los Angeles Lakers more than helping them.
所以這實在很難爭論Kobe做錯了什麼，尤其在數據上他更是創下了生涯年，
數據是不會說謊的。但有更多數據說明了Kobe的閃擊戰般的進攻，對湖人隊
來說是傷害多餘幫助。
This season, the Lakers (12-14) are just 4-11 when Bryant takes 20 or more
shots in a game. Yet, they are 8-3 when he shoots less than 20 times. And
it's not necessarily because of the opposition.
With Bryant attempting fewer than 20 shots, the Lakers have beaten the Dallas
Mavericks, Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets and
Brooklyn Nets, all of whom have better records than the Lakers. The four
teams Los Angeles has beaten with Kobe shooting 20 or more times? The
bottom-dwelling Phoenix Suns, Washington Wizards, Philadelphia 76ers and
Charlotte Bobcats, who have a combined record of 32-64 (.333). The eight
teams the Lakers have beaten with Bryant taking less than 20 shots have a
slightly better combined record of 87-112 (.437).
這賽季，湖人(12-14)在Kobe出手超過20次時的勝敗比是4-11，而在Kobe
出手低於20次時，他們打出了8-3的成績。這無關乎對手，在出手少於20
次時，他們贏過小牛、金塊、勇士、火箭和籃網，這些對手成績都比湖人
好。而如果Kobe出手超過20次呢？他們輸給太陽、巫師、七六人和山貓，
這些隊伍加起來只有32-64(勝率33.3%)的成績。而出手少獲勝的球隊們，
加起來卻有87-112(勝率43.7%)的成績。
This trend intrigued me so I decided to go back even further, checking the
numbers for the previous two seasons. The evidence was overwhelming: when
Bryant shoots fewer than 20 times in a game, the Lakers are outstanding. When
he shoots 20 or more times, they're only slightly above mediocre.
這情況讓我(外電作者)相當好奇，所以我決定回頭看前兩個賽季，得到
的證據更具有說服力了：Kobe出手低於20次時，湖人打得相當傑出。但
當他出手超過20次的話，他們就偏向於二流的球隊。
Last season, the Lakers were 26-19 when Bryant took 20 or more shots. That's
a .578 winning percentage. Not bad. But they were 10-3 in the other games, a
winning percentage of .769. In 2010-11, Phil Jackson's last season, the
Lakers were 24-17 (.585) when Bryant shot 20 or more times and 33-8 (.805)
when he took fewer shots.
上賽季，湖人在Kobe出手超過20次時拿到了26-19，57.8%的勝率，看起來
不錯；但低於20次時卻有10-3，76.9%的勝率。回顧禪師在的最後一個球
季，比例更是有差距：58.5%：80.5%。
So over the past three seasons, including 2012-13, the Lakers are 54-47 when
Bryant shoots 20 times or more. To put it in perspective, that .535 winning
percentage equates to a 44-38 record over 82 games. Over that same span, when
Bryant takes less than 20 shots, the Lakers are 51-14 (.785), which would be
a 64-18 mark in an 82-game season.
從上三個賽季來看，包括本賽季，湖人在Kobe出手超過20次時有53.5%的
勝率，如果換算成一個賽季，就是44勝38敗。在同樣的換算方法下，若
Kobe出手低於20次，有78.5%的勝率，換算起來就是64勝18敗。
It seems pretty clear cut: the Lakers are better, and would be better this
season, if Bryant shot less. At least that's what the statistics say.
從數據上來看，很明顯的，如果Kobe少投一些，今年的湖人會變得更加的
優秀。
But I didn't want to jump to conclusions simply based on the numbers, so I
decided to call some of the league's basketball minds to get their take on
the topic. I wanted to know whether Bryant needed to be reigned in, or
whether he's simply shooting so much because the Lakers' roster is so limited
and it's the only chance they have to stay in games.
但我(外電作者)不想這麼快只靠數據得到這個結論，所以我問了幾個在NBA
裡相關人員的意見。我想知道對他們來說，究竟Kobe想支配比賽，或是Kobe
只是不得不投這麼多球來讓湖人維持住比賽的分數。
I asked one general manager, an assistant coach and two scouts, all of whom
work for teams that have played Bryant and the Lakers this season. Their
views were strong:
我問了幾個GM、一個助教和兩個球探，這些人所屬的球隊都跟Kobe在本賽季
有交手過，他們的觀點非常的強而有力。
The assistant coach says:
"Absolutely, Kobe's shooting too much. When we played them, we told our guys,
'Look, we don't necessarily want Kobe going for 50. I mean, we're going to
guard him. But we're not going to double him, and we're not going to try to
get the ball out of his hands.' Our main concerns were not to let [Antawn]
Jamison hit a bunch of 3s and not to let Dwight [Howard] go crazy down low.
There's no question they would be a better team if Kobe shot less. Why do you
think [Pau] Gasol struggles? He's going to struggle in any offense where he
doesn't touch it.
助理教練如此說：廢話，Kobe當然投太多了！當我們跟湖人打時，教練團都告訴
球員們：我們不在乎Kobe得個50分，我的意思是，只要單防他，不要包夾他，不
要讓球離開他的手上。我們只要不讓Antawn Jamison投一堆三分，或是讓Howard
在低位肆虐就好。毫無疑問的Kobe少投一點這支球隊會更好，你以為為什麼Gasol
如此掙扎？當任何進攻機會他都碰不到球，他不掙扎才怪。
"At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with [Mike] D'Antoni and his
system. It's all about what Kobe will allow to happen. When you play the
Lakers, it's like they don't have a system. It's whatever Kobe chooses it to
be. If he wants to take all the shots, he'll do that. He'll pacify his
teammates early in the game, but then he'll throw up a heat check and if he's
got it going, nobody else touches the ball. And then the other team benefits
because the other Lakers won't defend as hard and they won't be engaged
because they're not a part of the game on the offensive end. Kobe has to
trust you, and it looks like he thinks most of his guys aren't trustworthy
yet.
而且老實說，面對D'Antoni的系統根本不需要做甚麼應對。因為他的系統就是
看Kobe想怎麼打。跟湖人打，就好像湖人沒有任何系統，只看Kobe的選擇。如
果他想幹進每一球，他就會這麼做。這對其他湖人球員來說無疑是傷害，他們
將很難提起精神防守，因為他們就好像在攻擊端被切割了一樣。Kobe也許會相
信你，但看起來他似乎認為到目前為止所有人都不值得信任。
"The problem between Kobe and Dwight is that you can't have Dwight on the
floor in the fourth quarter, so how can you play through him. In Kobe's mind,
that's why he doesn't pass the ball to Dwight. But the Lakers really need to
sit down with Kobe and say, 'At this stage, this is what's best for the
Lakers. We've got to play through our bigs.'
"Memphis is the best high-low team in the league with Marc Gasol and [Zach]
Randolph. The Lakers could play that way with Dwight and Pau, but with Kobe
shooting 28 times that's not going to happen. That could definitely work, but
the key is getting Kobe to sign off on it. The thing bout this league is that
every team is known for something. When you play the Lakers, you don't worry
about stopping Kobe. You just make sure those other four guys don't have
career nights because you can beat the Lakers with Kobe scoring 34, 35
points. Your biggest worry is if Kobe scores 25 points and has 8 assists and
then Dwight has 20 points and 16 rebounds and Pau has 18 and 11 and Nash
scores 16 with 10 assists.''
夾在Kobe跟Howard的問題是他不想把Howard放在第四節的場上，如果這麼做了，
那就無法忽視他了，在kobe心中，這就是他不想把球傳給Howard的原因了。但湖
人應該要告訴Kobe，在這個時間點，這才是最好的選擇，我們必須把球交給隊伍
裡的大個子。
灰熊隊是高低位打得最好的球隊，因為有M.Gasol和Randolph。而湖人也可以如法
炮製到Howard和Gasol身上，但當Kobe出手28次就不可能了。這招一定有用，但關
鍵是必須把Kobe抽離開。聯盟裡大家都知道，如果要跟湖人打，你不需要煩惱如何
守住Kobe，你只要確認其他四個人不會打出生涯新高就好。因為就算Kobe得個34、
35分，你照樣可以擊敗他們。但當Kobe得個25分8助攻你就要擔心了，因為Howard
會有20分16板，Gasol會有18分11板，Nash會有16分10助攻。
The scout says:
"One thing our coach always says is, 'Kobe's probably going to get his 28
points, but let's make sure it's on 28 shots and not 16 shots.' I would like
to look at some box scores in detail to see if the Lakers are down in the
fourth quarter and Kobe starts shooting a lot to lift them to a come back, or
to see whether he was he getting to the foul line a lot in those other games
where he didn't have as many field goal attempts.
"Watching the Lakers play the Knicks this year was hard to watch because the
other Lakers were just so bad. It was like Kobe was trying to do all he could
just to keep that game close. And hey, if Dwight's not going to try his butt
off and if other guys aren't going to try their butts off, then I'm going to
give the ball to the guy that's going to go for it, and that's Kobe. I don't
think it's that Kobe doesn't trust his teammates; it's just that he trusts
himself more. A questionable shot by him still might be better than a good
look for one of those other guys. To me, they look disinterested.
"There's no chemistry. They're not pulling for one another. They're just a
collection of individual talent that happens to be in the same place wearing
the same uniforms. They look listless. Not Kobe, though.''
球探如此說：教練總是告訴球員，Kobe得28分是必然的，但我們要讓他出手28
次才得到這些分數，而不是16次。看著分數盒子的細節，去了解湖人在第四節
若處於低潮，Kobe就會開始一直投一直投來反擊。但在其他比賽，他若沒有出
手太多球，他必然能得到很多罰球的機會。
尼克和湖人今年的比賽打得如此難看，就是因為其他湖人球員們很糟。Kobe想
盡自己所能的去讓比分不被拉開，但若Howard或其他人不在狀態內，他就會把
球交給他所信賴的人，那就是他自己－Kobe。我不認為這代表Kobe不信任自己
的隊友，這只代表他更相信他自己。他寧願投出高難度的出手也不願意有個漂
亮的傳球給其他隊友。對我來說，他的隊友看起來對這種比賽毫無興趣。
這樣完全沒有化學效應，他們不會彼此互相推動每一個人，他們只是一群有著
個人的天分，在同一個地方比賽，穿著同樣的制服。他們毫無生氣，當然，Kobe
例外。
The general manager says:
"Everyone thinks the problem is everybody else but to me, the problem is
Kobe. Take a look at Andrew Bynum's quotes the other day, where he said Kobe
stunted his growth. He didn't like playing with Kobe.
"And Pau? Pau's a really nice guy and Kobe just walks all over him. On the
one hand, it's good for Pau because it helps make him tougher but overall, I
think it hurts his game. Kobe can smack Pau upside the head and Pau will
still go back to him and say, 'Yes sir.' He's just too nice of a guy. But Pau
can play. They won a few championships with him, so this notion that Kobe
doesn't have anyone to play with and that he has to take all these shots is
just wrong. Go back to the Oklahoma City series. Everybody blamed it on Pau
and Bynum, but to me, it was more Kobe's fault.
And we know what kind of a player Dwight is. He's not at his best because
he's coming off the back injury and because of the system D'Antoni's running,
but it's obvious to me that Kobe doesn't trust him. And I'm not so sure he
likes the way Dwight jokes around so much.''
GM如此說：每個人都認為問題不是出在我身上，這就是Kobe的問題。看看前幾天
Bynum說Kobe限制了他的發展，他一點也不喜歡跟Kobe一同打球。
而Gasol呢？他是個很棒的傢伙，而Kobe壓制了他。對Gasol來說或許能讓他更為
堅強，但整體來說，這是在傷害比賽。Kobe可以敲Gasol的頭，而Gasol卻只能說
"Yes,Sir"，就因為Gasol人太好。但Gasol還是能打的，他們在有Gasol的情況下
贏過幾次冠軍，所以Kobe這種認為沒人是他隊友，他要自幹每個投籃的想法是錯
的。回頭看看跟雷霆的系列賽，很多人都怪罪在禁區雙塔，但對我來說，我覺得
Kobe的責任更大。
我們都知道Howard是多棒的球員，他現在不在最佳狀態，是因為傷勢和D'Antoni
體系的不合。但對我來說很明顯的，Kobe不信任他，我不知道是不是因為Howard
很愛四處開玩笑的關係。
Another scout says:
"That's been debated a lot -- whether Kobe is shooting too much. It's hard to
argue against that if they're 8-3 when he doesn't shoot it 20 times. But I'd
have to look at each game and study the game situations to really come to a
conclusion. I don't think he's purposely hogging the ball or doing things
selfishly to keep the team from winning. He's not trying to do anything to
hurt the team. If he is shooting too much, it's only because he thinks that's
what he has to do for the Lakers to win.
"My gut reaction is to say that Kobe does not need to shoot less. He's a top
5 player in the league, he's leading the league in scoring and he's shooting
a good percentage. That's a big key - he's shooting a high percentage. It'd
be one thing if he was forcing up shots and shooting poorly. But I will say
this, when you have as much talent as they do, you shouldn't have to shoot it
as much as Kobe has been.''
另一個球探則說：關於Kobe是否射太多的問題這已經被討論到爛了。但擺在眼前
的事實很難被反駁－他們在Kobe低於20次出手時拿下了8-3的成績。但我必須要
看過每場比賽的狀況才能得出結論。我不認為他是想要有出手權並打出自私的球
風來幫助球隊維持住比賽分數差距，他不是在試圖傷害這支球隊。如果他出手太
多次，只是他想要這麼做來幫助湖人隊贏球。
我直覺得反應是Kobe不該減少出手，他是聯盟前五名的球員，他是聯盟得分王且
有著很棒的命中率。這是重點－他有很棒的命中率。但我還是要說，當你有這麼
棒的隊友在隊伍裡，你還是不該要出手這麼多。
全文都翻譯完了，是我自己在朦朧的意識下翻譯的，應該會有不少錯誤，
請訂正。
我不認為一直逃避這個話題對貴版是好事情，這在國外的湖人論壇都討論到
翻掉的話題，為什麼在這裡不能討論呢？難道Kobe不是湖人隊的一員嗎？大
家討論難道不是希望湖人戰績變得更好嗎？
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噓
12/21 06:39, , 176F
12/21 06:39, 176F
噓
12/21 08:55, , 177F
12/21 08:55, 177F
推
12/21 09:13, , 178F
12/21 09:13, 178F
噓
12/21 09:38, , 179F
12/21 09:38, 179F
噓
12/21 10:01, , 180F
12/21 10:01, 180F
噓
12/21 10:29, , 181F
12/21 10:29, 181F
→
12/21 10:30, , 182F
12/21 10:30, 182F
→
12/21 10:30, , 183F
12/21 10:30, 183F
噓
12/21 10:30, , 184F
12/21 10:30, 184F
推
12/21 10:46, , 185F
12/21 10:46, 185F
噓
12/21 11:33, , 186F
12/21 11:33, 186F
→
12/21 11:42, , 187F
12/21 11:42, 187F
推
12/21 12:06, , 188F
12/21 12:06, 188F
→
12/21 12:07, , 189F
12/21 12:07, 189F
→
12/21 12:09, , 190F
12/21 12:09, 190F
→
12/21 12:55, , 191F
12/21 12:55, 191F
→
12/21 12:56, , 192F
12/21 12:56, 192F
→
12/21 12:56, , 193F
12/21 12:56, 193F
噓
12/21 13:16, , 194F
12/21 13:16, 194F
推
12/21 19:03, , 195F
12/21 19:03, 195F
推
12/21 20:27, , 196F
12/21 20:27, 196F
噓
12/21 22:51, , 197F
12/21 22:51, 197F
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