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Re: [外絮] Phil Jackson在新書中比較喬神&Kobe已回收

看板NBA (美國籃球)作者 (LIVESTRONG)時間13年前 (2013/05/17 09:46), 編輯推噓49(53推 4噓 87→)
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Quote: "No question, Michael was a tougher, more intimidating defender," Jackson writes. "He could break through virtually any screen and shut down almost any player with his intense, laser-focused style of defense." Michael毫無疑問的是更強硬,更具恐嚇力的防守者,他可以鑽到任何單擋裡,靠壓迫對方來 鎖死任何對手,是個超級專注的防守者 "In general, Kobe tends to rely more heavily on his flexibility and craftiness, but he takes a lot of gambles on defense and sometimes pays the price." 而Kobe的防守比較依賴他的靈活性跟創造性,常常做賭博式防守,也時常付出代價 "One of the biggest differences between the two stars from my perspective was Michael's superior skills as a leader," Jackson writes. "Though at times he could be hard on his teammates, Michael was masterful at controlling the emotional climate of the team with the power of his presence. Kobe had a long way to go before he could make that claim. He talked a good game, but he'd yet to experience the cold truth of leadership in his bones, as Michael had." 從我的觀點看來Michael跟Kobe最大的差別是,Michael是超級的領導者,雖然有時他對隊友 非常嚴厲,但大致上他都可以用他的專制來控制隊友的情緒,而Kobe花了很多時間才成為真 正的領導者,他是很會在大家面前發言,但他還沒體會到一個冰冷的事實是---他跟Michael 天生就有所不同 看有誰要繼續接力 ※ 引述《sx4152 (呵呵)》之銘言： : Phil Jackson Compares Kobe Bryant And Michael Jordan In New Book : By Ramneet Singh| May 16, 2013| : Michael Jordan will go down in many peoples’ eyes as the greatest player to : ever play the game of basketball. Jordan amassed countless accolades over his : illustrious career and he forever changed the NBA with his on-court heroics : and off the court projects. However, over the years Kobe Bryant has given : Jordan a run for his money and has sparked a debate as to who is the better : player. : Micheal Jordan在許多球迷的心目中是最好的球員,Jordan在他卓越的籃球生涯中 : 獲得了無數的榮耀與稱讚,而且他場上場外的球星風采徹底顛覆了整個聯盟,然而,幾些 : 年後,Kobe Bryant逐漸追上了Jordan所賺的錢與表現,這使得我們要來討論誰是最好的 : 球員 : Perhaps no one knows the two players better than the man who led them to all : of their championship rings, Phil Jackson. Jackson coached the two superstars : in their primes and he offered a comparison in his new book. Jackson will be : releasing ”Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success” very soon and Mike Bresnahan : had a chance to get a glimpse at the book. : 或許沒人比Phil Jackson還瞭解這兩個男人,他曾帶領他們拿下冠軍,Jackson在這兩個 : 超級球星的巔峰時期執教過他們,而他將在他的新書來比較他們兩位 : Phil Jackson的新書:"11個戒指:勝利之魂" : 以下是書摘: : “Michael was more charismatic and gregarious than Kobe. He loved hanging out : with his teammates and security guards, playing cards, smoking cigars, and : joking around,” : 喬丹比起Kobe更具有魅力及合群性,他喜歡跟他的隊友/保鑣一起廝混,一起打牌, : 抽雪茄,還有一起開玩笑 : “Kobe is different. He was reserved as a teenager, in part because he was : younger than the other players and hadn’t developed strong social skills in : college. When Kobe first joined the Lakers, he avoided fraternizing with his : teammates. But his inclination to keep to himself shifted as he grew older. : Increasingly, Kobe put more energy into getting to know the other players, : especially when the team was on the road.” : 反觀Kobe,他是個冷淡的少年,這多少是因為他在隊伍中是最年輕的,以及他沒有在 : 大學中學到如何社交,當Kobe初入湖人隊,他避免與其他人友善,他傾向讓自己變得成熟, : 漸漸的,在球隊正在起步時,Kobe放了更多精力去認識其他球員 : “Jordan was also more naturally inclined to let the game come to him and not : overplay his hand, whereas Kobe tends to force the action, especially when : the game isn’t going his way. When his shot is off, Kobe will pound away : relentlessly until his luck turns. Michael, on the other hand, would shift : his attention to defense or passing or setting screens to help the team win : the game.” : Jordan比較會主宰比賽但不會過度自幹,反觀Kobe,他會選擇獨攬一切,尤其是比賽 : 不如他的意時 : 當Kobe開始投不進籃時,他會拼命投籃直到手感回來,Jordan在他狀況不好時,他會 : 把注意力放在防守或傳球或幫隊友掩護來贏得勝利 : Jackson also said Jordan “was stronger, with bigger shoulders and a sturdier : frame,” which helped him pass defenses. As for Bryant, the Zen Master said : his finesse and flexibility allowed him to get through defenders. : Jackson說Jordan比Kobe還強壯,更具肩膀,更具有堅毅的精神,這讓他無懈可擊 : 反觀Kobe,禪師說Kobe是靠他的技巧&靈活性來擊敗防守者 : From the excerpts released, it seems as though Jackson favors Jordan over : Bryant when choosing the better player. Although Bryant can very well be : considered the second greatest shooting guard of all-time, Jordan is truly in : a class of his own. Jackson may choose to pick Jordan over Bryant, but there : is no doubt Kobe’s success is something not many people will ever match. : 我們可以知道,Jackson比較喜歡Jordan,雖說Kobe被認為是史上第二的SG,但喬丹 : 是在另外一個境界,Jackson也許會選擇Jordan為最好的球員,但不可否認的是,Kobe的成功 : 也達到了大部分人所無法到達的境界 : In terms of number of championships and individual awards, Jordan has the : upper hand against Bryant; however, the Black Mamba has a chance to tie Jordan : ’s six rings and surpass him on the all-time scoring list in the near : future. : 就冠軍數與個人獎項,喬丹是比Kobe強多了,但黑曼巴還是有機會追齊Jordan的六座 : 冠軍,與超越喬丹的成就 : source: http://ppt.cc/qiad -- "Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, we'll keep looking at wins" Tampa Bay's Raheem Morris "數據是給輸家看的,你們繼續專研數據,我們繼續想法子贏球" 坦帕灣 羅辛‧莫里斯 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.137.44.122
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05/17 09:47, , 1F
這本書根本就是在裱Kobe,明知道比不上還狂比XD
05/17 09:47, 1F
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05/17 09:50, , 2F
怎麼說呢？有些比較晚看球的人都會聽說MJ是KB模板
05/17 09:50, 2F
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05/17 09:50, , 3F
但其實是完全不同層次球員
05/17 09:50, 3F
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05/17 09:50, , 4F
PHIL幹麻一直說大家原本就知道的事呢??
05/17 09:50, 4F
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05/17 09:51, , 5F
板模
05/17 09:51, 5F
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05/17 09:51, , 6F
真正看過兩人打球的人才會知道他們之間的差異性
05/17 09:51, 6F
另外 這裡並沒有對Kobe不敬 我們都知道Kobe比不上Michael 但有件事情Michael絕對比不上Kobe 就是Kobe未達目的不擇手段的精神比Michael更適合一般人學習 Michael就有點像天生條件就超級好的好勝者 當然他的成就幾乎跟神話一樣難以處碰 Kobe相較Michael而言先天條件就有限制 但是靠著後天努力來補足 這不是更適合我們一般人模仿嗎?
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05/17 09:52, , 7F
MJ不是老大的地板嗎
05/17 09:52, 7F
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05/17 09:52, , 8F
差異很明顯吧 MJ拿到球就會馬上進攻 KOBE就一直摩
05/17 09:52, 8F
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05/17 09:55, , 9F
就算磨了很久....命中率還是沒有MJ高
05/17 09:55, 9F
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05/17 09:55, , 10F
什麼？這樣也能出書？
05/17 09:55, 10F
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05/17 09:58, , 11F
你有11枚NBA冠軍戒指，也能出書
05/17 09:58, 11F
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05/17 10:00, , 12F
問題在於Kobe明明可以用更合理的打法卻又不願
05/17 10:00, 12F
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05/17 10:00, , 13F
他是很會在大家面前發言,但他還沒體會到一個冰冷的事
05/17 10:00, 13F
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05/17 10:02, , 14F
Kobe那叫偏執 不完全值得模仿
05/17 10:02, 14F
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05/17 10:02, , 15F
這本書在台灣會不會出翻譯版?
05/17 10:02, 15F
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05/17 10:02, , 16F
"未"達目的不擇手段是指不讓我出手就甩手打你臉嗎?
05/17 10:02, 16F
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05/17 10:02, , 17F
Kobe做人滿失敗的...或者是MJ做人太成功
05/17 10:02, 17F
我看不出這書哪裡有寫Kobe做人失敗 能跟最偉大的比較已經非常光榮了
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05/17 10:03, , 18F
Kobe哪裡適合一般人= =,他是標準天才又偏執的典型
05/17 10:03, 18F
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05/17 10:03, , 19F
KOBE和JORDAN都是我最愛的球員,希望KOBE奪第六冠!
05/17 10:03, 19F
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05/17 10:03, , 20F
我只能說摳比很多地方要跟喬丹學習
05/17 10:03, 20F
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05/17 10:03, , 21F
MJ作人也不算成功 只是他能讓人服氣
05/17 10:03, 21F
上一篇說的Michael喜歡跟朋友 保鑣在一起 這個朋友跟保鑣應該就是Charles Oakley吧 Michael會跟朋友一起出門是因為他沒辦法自己出門 這是巨星的悲哀 Kobe上次接受訪問時他說他可以自己去逛Macy's百貨公司 而且沒人理他 他們兩個生活型態也有點不同 Jordan有些不良嗜好 賭博 抽雪茄 熬夜泡吧 這些都是Michael當球員時就有的娛樂 而Kobe比較喜歡歐洲式的生活方式 ※ 編輯: redplum 來自: 114.137.44.122 (05/17 10:17)
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05/17 10:04, , 22F
如果比不上MJ就不是天才,那全NBA沒天才了
05/17 10:04, 22F
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05/17 10:04, , 23F
比對超級勝利者1~2名的書 人生失敗者買最多
05/17 10:04, 23F
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05/17 10:04, , 24F
未達目的不擇手段的精神....服務生
05/17 10:04, 24F
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05/17 10:07, , 25F
Kobe有人氣,但人緣並不好,跟他相處過的人都不喜歡他
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05/17 10:07, , 26F
要我說，Kobe就是冰人格文被當成魔術一樣的敬重
05/17 10:07, 26F
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05/17 10:08, , 27F
是很偉大，但又過譽
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05/17 10:08, , 28F
對比較年輕的球迷來說 可能沒看過MJ打球 但是看Kobe
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05/17 10:08, , 29F
禪師又在靠消費他人賣書 這梗還真是寫不膩
05/17 10:08, 29F
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05/17 10:08, , 30F
看了十幾年 自然會想知道Kobe跟MJ比到底如何
05/17 10:08, 30F
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05/17 10:09, , 31F
最適合一般人的不是林嗎 突破黃種人體能障礙跟歧視
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05/17 10:09, , 32F
寫什麼書只不過是依照讀者想看什麼罷了
05/17 10:09, 32F
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05/17 10:09, , 33F
我也覺得姑且喜不喜歡,亞洲人要類比還不如找林
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05/17 10:10, , 34F
去找兩個人生勝利組,然後再來說較差的值得我學習
05/17 10:10, 34F
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05/17 10:11, , 35F
這真的是= =
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05/17 10:11, , 36F
是不知道他哪裡不擇手段，連傳球都不太願意了....
05/17 10:11, 36F
還有 68 則推文
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05/17 11:12, , 105F
反正對於一個人的觀感 先入為主的印象決定一切
05/17 11:12, 105F
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05/17 11:44, , 106F
mj得過81分嗎
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05/17 11:46, , 107F
兩次三連霸
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05/17 11:51, , 108F
Jordan明明是苦練出來的 他自己都說人們會忽略他的
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05/17 11:51, , 109F
打鐵 失誤等一些不利的數據
05/17 11:51, 109F
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05/17 11:52, , 110F
Jordan高中的時候還因為身高問題打不進校隊
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05/17 11:56, , 111F
得81分有何用? 還有得100的
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05/17 12:00, , 112F
竟然有人質疑MJ的求勝意志不如KB!? 有看過MJ打球嗎?
05/17 12:00, 112F
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05/17 12:25, , 113F
推好文
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05/17 12:26, , 114F
竟然有人質疑MJ的求勝意志不如KBXD
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05/17 12:50, , 115F
有沒有人想過，科仙的自我要求及毅力是否值得學習?
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05/17 12:51, , 116F
工作後尤其發現，具有科仙特質的人多辦事業有成
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05/17 12:52, , 117F
或為明日之星，而酸酸呢，只能整天被打臉...
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05/17 12:53, , 118F
高中時當國王迷時很幹他，現在卻很欣賞他...
05/17 12:53, 118F
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05/17 12:54, , 119F
或許他孤僻難相處，但會成功，怎麼想都比酸酸好...
05/17 12:54, 119F
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05/17 13:04, , 120F
我怎麼聽說現在要成功人脈廣比能力強重要...
05/17 13:04, 120F
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05/17 13:04, , 121F
看行業吧,大部分太孤僻的人即使能力再強還是會失敗
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05/17 13:05, , 122F
還記得10年前很紅的EQ嗎?人際關係處不好很多就免談
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05/17 13:06, , 123F
除非你就是天才中的天才,會的東西就是別人做不到
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05/17 13:07, , 124F
禪師書晚一點弄好 可能會寫柯比現在是如何防守擺爛
05/17 13:07, 124F
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05/17 13:17, , 125F
禪師想賣書吧 這兩個都很偉大 但差距很明顯阿
05/17 13:17, 125F
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05/17 13:24, , 126F
Sasha/科比/老漁/Lue... 怎麼後期執教過的後衛都這些
05/17 13:24, 126F
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05/17 13:25, , 127F
只好抓柯比來擋一下 不然書就不用賣了
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05/17 13:46, , 128F
說喬丹沒科比努力的.....聽過喬丹早餐俱樂部嗎？
05/17 13:46, 128F
噓
05/17 13:57, , 129F
偏執有啥好學習的 除非你是天才＋有人無限支持
05/17 13:57, 129F
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05/17 13:58, , 130F
不然你偏執到沒人想跟你一起打球到底哪裡好
05/17 13:58, 130F
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05/17 14:07, , 131F
我覺得會這樣講的要就是涉世未深,要就是死忠科迷吧
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05/17 14:19, , 132F
翻譯有待商榷
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05/17 14:55, , 133F
mj是天才中的天才 kb算是努力的天才吧 起跑點不一樣
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05/17 14:56, , 134F
基本上都是天才 但mj的境界幾乎成神了...
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05/17 15:02, , 135F
也不用特別強調KOBE多努力，能在NBA維持的頂級球星
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05/17 15:03, , 136F
都嘛很努力，或是應該說努力只是基本該做的
05/17 15:03, 136F
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05/17 16:59, , 137F
KB跟MJ一樣重視團隊發揮 早就8-10冠
05/17 16:59, 137F
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05/17 17:02, , 138F
只想獨幹的打球性格 浪費了2000後禁區人才缺乏的機會
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05/17 19:23, , 139F
只有我覺得這篇翻譯怪怪的嗎??
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05/17 19:52, , 140F
絕對不能模仿KOBE 除非你不想打球 =_=
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05/17 19:54, , 141F
擁有大歐這類型球員還敢亂搶球丟 嗆教練除非你是老闆
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不然各級聯賽的教練都不可能允許的 校隊都一樣
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05/18 00:09, , 143F
樓上在說啥..結果KOBE就是留下來了,還是湖人的老大
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05/18 08:53, , 144F
全世界也只有KOBE能留下來 所以我說千萬不能學他
05/18 08:53, 144F
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