[外絮] 關於Jabbar談論Dwight Howard已回收

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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar talks Dwight Howard 關於Jabbar談論Dwight Howard As a baseline: Let us all agree Kareem is right. Dwight Howard has flaws that are fairly easy to spot. That's the simple part. 首先:我們都贊同Kareem。Dwight Howard有著明顯的缺點。這不難發現。 The much more interesting part, however, is that Howard is among the NBA's most effective players despite these flaws. Riddle me that! 但更有趣的是,儘管Howard有那些缺陷,他還是NBA中最有效率的球員之一。這 搞得我好亂啊! As Abdul-Jabbar’s, or any other critics’, arguments become more convincing, the mystery of Howard’s wonderful results on the court becomes more exciting: 當Abdul-Jabbar或其他人的論點越來越有說服力,Howard在球場的精彩表現之謎 便越有看點: ‧Since 2005, Howard's teams have consistently outplayed the opposition with Howard on the court, usually by a significant margin. Beginning in 2007-08, his plus/minus numbers on the season, per NBA.com/stats, were +5.9, +7.0, +7.5 and +6.4. These are rare numbers. The Lakers and Howard had horrible 2012-13 seasons, but the team was +1.8 with Howard on the court. ‧自從2005年後Howard在場上時,球隊一直都優於對手且通常這個差距都不小 。從2007-08球季開始,根據NBA.com的數據,他的場上正負值(譯按:數據 中+/-這項)是+5.9、+7.0、+7.5和+6.4。這些數字可不常見。湖人隊和 Howard的2012-13球技季很糟,但當Howard在場上時球隊依然有+1.8。 ‧Howard joined the league out of high school, can't hit free throws worth a darn and has one of the most criticized offensive games in the league. Yet, the lowest true shooting percentage of his career was 56.5 percent -- and he has often been much better than that, including an entire season at an incredible 63 percent. For fun and comparison, the player with the most polished offensive game -- Kobe Bryant -- has only surpassed 56.5 percent in three of his 17 seasons. Howard has a career playoff true shooting percentage of 62 percent. ‧Howard高中畢業後便棄學進入聯盟,罰球命中率糟需要修補並有著聯盟中最 飽受批評的進攻能力。然而,他生涯最低的真實命中率(譯按:數據中TS%這 項)是56.5%,而其他球季幾乎都比這數字好,其中包括一季驚人的63%。只 是好玩來對比的話,擁有最全方位進攻技巧的球員-Kobe Bryant在他17個球 季中只有3季超過56.5%。而Howard的季後賽真實命中率甚至有62%。 ‧Howard has won plenty in the playoffs, and once led Jameer Nelson, Hedo Turkoglu and company to the 2009 NBA Finals, while anchoring the offense and defense. ‧Howard在季後賽中勝利無數,曾經帶領Jameer Nelson、Hedo Turkoglu和其 他快樂夥伴到2009年NBA總冠軍賽。而此時的他同時主導進攻和防守。 In other words, what's wrong with Howard is pretty easy to spot. He looks clumsy with the ball, basically. He makes mistakes. What's more interesting and important, however, is what's right, because clearly it's something. These aren't cutesy stats, and they aren't cherry-picked from a month here or there. Nearly a decade of efficiently turning possessions into points, playing league-leading defense and outscoring the opposition is exactly how you win games. That is value. 換句話說,Howard的問題顯而易見。基本上,他持球時看起來很笨拙。他在場上 犯不少錯誤。但更有趣且重要的是他在場上所做對的事,因為明顯的那些事不一般 。這些並非做作的數據,也非刻意去挑某些表現較好的月份。在近十年的生涯中他 有效的將進攻機會轉成分數、防守端繳出聯盟頂尖表現並在得分上壓過對手,而這 些正是勝利的要件。這就是價值所在。 This reminds me of the kinds of things people said about young LeBron James. He was doing so many things so well while leading bad teams deep into the playoffs year after year. And one of the most common lines of conversation was, oddly, what he couldn't do. I believe that's born in part because of the incredible bodies James and Howard have. They are both enormously tall, quick and nimble, and covered in muscles. It's almost unfair. 這讓我想到人們怎麼去討論年輕的LeBron James。他不但表現優異的扛著球隊,同 時年年帶領程度較差的球隊在季後賽遠征。怪的是最常見到關於他的討論卻是他所 做不到的事。我想這部分源於James和Howard擁有驚人的身體素質。他們倆都相當 高大、快速、靈巧並且全身充滿肌肉。這幾乎算是犯規的身材。 Abdul-Jabbar made a historic career not out of a body that wasn't nearly as imposing as Howard's, but with the honing of likely the most unstoppable scoring move ever, the skyhook. Abdul-Jabbar sees Howard's body a little like Michael Jordan sees LeBron's body. I imagine both thinking, essentially: "Imagine what I could do with that." The natural conclusion of that line of thinking is that Dwight and LeBron are disappointments, and when you look for evidence, it's on video. Abdul-Jabbar創造出歷史性的生涯並不是靠那無法和Howard比較的身材,是靠著 苦練出可能是史上最無解的招-天鉤。Abdul-Jabbar對於Howard身材的見解像是 Michael Jordan對LeBron身材的見解一般。我想這兩位都在想:「想想我擁有那 身材的話可以作多少事。」這個自然而然的想法是對於Dwight和LeBron失望的原 因,而當你找證據時是在看影片。 He isn't doing what we want him to do. He's not perfect, even though his body is. 他並沒有在做我們想要他做的事。他並不完美,即使他的身體是完美的。 Also, it's very hard to both know what's wrong with something and declare it the best; it's just against human nature. But that doesn't mean it can't still be true. Usain Bolt can let up in the final 10 yards (horrible strategy!) and still be way faster than anybody else in the world. Annoying, but true. 同時,對於了解一件事物有問題的同時要聲明他是最佳的是困難的事;這不符合 人性。但違背人性不代表他真的不是最佳球員。Usain Bolt可以在最後10碼放慢 速度(這什麼爛策略!)還是比全世界的其他人快。令人不爽,但這是現實。 And all that talk of shortcomings in regard to Howard, Bolt or James is also another way of saying they could be so much better. 而所有關於Howard、Bolt或James的缺陷評論代表他們可以變更好。 LeBron made a few tweaks to his always-excellent game, and now he's the undisputed best player in the game. LeBron針對他一直都相當優異的比賽內容作了一些提升,而現在他毫無疑問的是 現役最佳球員。 Abdul-Jabbar's talk of Howard's flaws may be on the money. But we must take all that knowing that Howard's seldom-discussed strengths, whatever they may be, have consistently overwhelmed those flaws. And maybe he could be much better, which could certainly be seen as bad news for the Howard camp, for the Rockets and for anyone who believes in his future. Abdul-Jabbar對於Howard缺陷的評論可能相當精準。但我們必須接受那些Howard 鮮少被提及的優點,無論這些優點是什麼都持續的壓過他的缺點。或許他可以變 得更好,這對支持Howard的陣營、火箭和那些相信他的未來的人肯定是個壞消息 。 But couldn't it also be good news? 但,這不能是個好消息嗎? 原文網址- http://tinyurl.com/lsa9tsr 心得: 在看這篇文的時候其實笑得滿開心的 他不只拉Kobe、LeBron兩大戰神 連閃電Bolt都可以拉來救援!!!! Howard的缺點真的不需要專家來說 有在看球的都知道沒有空間的他進攻技巧多貧弱 但要是真的他進攻真的只會靠身材和接空拋也不可能場均到20分 本身左右手的勾射手感不差 轉身的技巧什麼也都有 問題在哪呢? 我個人提出一些想法 1. 本身分球能力還是沒長出來,一旦啟動進攻就很難有變化 協防很好猜也可以即時補到 2. 腳步問題很多,而且不單單是下球進攻時的腳步 他背框要球搶不到好位置也不太會用repost再搶更好的位置 接球後準備動作也太多,一持球就變緩慢 3. 罰球.... 當他真的有好的進攻動作做出來時 BB!!!!! 哨子就響了 平心而論這篇還是有中肯之處 Howard有很多問題 但現階段他真的不是「毫無宰制力」,被說得沒有宰制力真的有點誇張了 無論進攻和防守端他都能給對手巨大壓力 進攻再怎麼爛,只要他能搶到好位置球一給到 不是犯掉就是給他分數 我想這篇文章就是想要強調那些批評者真的對他太過分了 Howard離偉大球員還差一段 但不管是不是時代問題,現在的他用他的方法影響比賽 這影響力還不小 要是他今年真的把上述問題解決 誰知道呢? 搞不好今年MVP呢!!!!! -- 新手NBA外電翻譯+數據分析部落格 http://mola79321.pixnet.net/blog 歡迎來討論!!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 124.218.28.122

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就跟可以找出LBJ缺點 但是還是阻止不了她阿
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倒數第二段最後一句邏輯怪怪的@@
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我看原文也是想很久,覺得有些奇怪 但我想一想他的意思應該是說 Howard可能果真像那些批評者講的一樣很爛 還有一堆要進步的 這段現階段DH支持者和火箭想要奪冠來說是壞消息 但他可以進步 不也代表現在已經很強的他可以更好嗎 若理解有誤請指正

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DH真的被貶得太誇張了
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※ 編輯: idiotsmart 來自: 124.218.28.122 (10/09 00:25)

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老大果然厲害 擊敗了NASH.HOWARD.O'Neal.MALONE
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看好他今年再拿DPOY追平木桶伯、斑蛙
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建議修改成:或許,他應該比現在更好...
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當時湖迷覺得進攻手段+罰球>場均得分重要所以拜嫩>DH
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防守確實史上有他的地位存在 無庸置疑 不過09年魔術
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而且還是那一季行情的拜嫩 交易到DH繼續罵一樣的東西
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進攻好像不是給他主導的吧?
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拿中鋒的TS%跟後衛比也太扯了..
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哈哈認同 原作者救援點滿好笑的
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事實就是Howard技術再怎麼爛,光靠身材他就是全NBA最
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強的中鋒了 甚至是全世界
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拿中鋒跟後衛比命中率 可知原文作者的腦袋
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不過我不覺得Howard技術真的這麼爛 他可能就是持球單
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技術跟罰球再濫 還是給你20-10外加最佳防守球員
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打能力不好 但其他卡位搶位也都是技術阿
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偷酸閃電XD
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問題就在大家覺得憑他的身體素質他可以更好
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沒什麼好分析的吧.直值白一點 當他在籃下拿到球
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就趕快犯規
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除了犯規 還有能阻止它得分的方式?
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但他進步的幅度似乎一直有限,大家覺得這3-4年他有明
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顯的成長嗎,相比之下喇叭沾的成長就很明顯
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大智若愚獸
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合理懷疑賈霸是來騙稿費的XDD
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敢得罪湖人就是罪該萬死
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外圍不能保護他 他不能再接近籃下的地方拿球 破壞力
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包夾他阿..
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持球單打技術不佳,策應更爛,但還是有辦法場均20分
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降很多啊 如果要下球那失誤率又會大增 所以他需要
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看看 DeAndre Jordan的身材和體能,這才叫浪費天賦吧
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一個合適的團隊保護他 但說真的 史上的偉大中鋒是
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在魔術最後兩年23-14以及20-14.5
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還有 194 則推文
還有 1 段內文
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科迷只能盡力說DH弱來掩飾KB的帶領能力
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看某些人在那神化DH的魔術隊友就想笑
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DH進攻手段薄弱 無庸置疑阿 有眼都看得出來
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魔獸的防守很容易勾天頂,我覺得鄧肯那種快速站位雙
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手舉高才是最好的防守
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因為DH是現役第一中鋒啊 要求自然多了點
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又要來戰進階數據了嗎,TS再怎麼進階也擺脫不了內線
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在這項數據上比較吃香的問題 所以不同位置球員比較
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就是不太公平
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反正DH今年轉到火箭後就能讓大家見識到什麼叫統治力
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而且火箭比賽台灣幾乎場場電視轉播~讚
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好奇 dh打不贏四大 那vs晨星會贏嗎?
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推這篇 Kobe打鐵一流防守擺爛 被史騰和球迷捧出的咖
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DH防守替這咖擦屁股 又要拚進攻還被嫌到<沙魁真悲哀
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現實就是DH想要球權但是進攻技巧薄弱又超會失誤
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酸酸只會酸Kobe 怎沒看到DH連Nash都都無法配合
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我看到蠻多酸酸在酸DH的啊 怎麼說酸酸只會酸Kobe?
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擁有最全方位進攻技巧的球員 X
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擁有最全方位打鐵技巧的球員 O
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DH在湖人會爛是因為外線有夠悲劇,功能只剩搶籃板
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光靠隊友製造的機會+二波補進的得分就很可觀了
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只是DH這種運動能力,當然會期望他接近四大中鋒的等級
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他是現役第一中鋒無誤 但以第一中鋒來說 連90年代
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排不上前四的ZO都比不上(進攻技巧) 難免會有點失望
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守>>攻的球員,沒啥攻擊技巧靠硬吃,只是NBA是個看重
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攻擊>>防守的聯盟才這樣低估他。但說真的,能在上季
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的湖人幫外線擦屁股,這沒有高超的技巧根本辦不到。
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問題點是他進了湖人,這個要求一堆,稍有失誤就罵到
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臭頭然後主動權又不在手上的球隊,喔,kobe除外
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怕到時第一中鋒不是DH,而是hibbert或McGee其中一位
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帶領Jameer Nelson、Hedo Turkoglu和其
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他快樂夥伴到2009年NBA總冠軍賽 2000萬表示:...
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DH在湖人的確配合不出來 尤其跟nash的搭配真的不太合
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在ptt DH會被酸成這樣就跟kb被酸是差不多的道理
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要嘴硬酸suck就讓他們酸吧
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DH在進攻端的理解跟能力就是不足呀,他最適合的就是
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魔術時期的inside-out,不但可以讓他有足夠空間做單
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打,也不用具備中距離等的技能
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但一旦空間不足,就會凸顯他的單打效率其實是不高的
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,這真的是看球隊戰術安排了
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