[外絮] 球評: LBJ得當C.Bosh或K.love 轉型成綠葉
看板NBA (美國籃球)作者usnavyseal (usmarine2008)時間2小時前 (2026/03/11 17:34)推噓85(95推 10噓 111→)留言216則, 92人參與討論串1/1
https://x.com/FTFonFS1/status/2031121599118848492
Chris Broussard, Danny Parkins& Kevin Wildes談湖人 (贏尼克 但尚未贏灰狼前錄的)
Kevin ： Are they better without LeBron? 沒了 LeBron，湖人真的變強了嗎？
Chris: They're not worse. No, look, I still feel like, and we know when the
three of them were playing together early in the season, it's a small sample
size period, early in the season they were bad, lately they had been playing
better together but it's still small sample size. I do feel like in a playoff
series they'd have a better chance with LeBron, you know, than without him
because of his experience and all of that stuff. But the numbers clearly say
they're much better without him. Here's what is going on though, because with
or without him I don't think they can make noise in the west. So I think it's
a moot point to some degree.
他們沒有變差。我依然覺得，雖然我們知道季初他們三人合體時打得很糟，那是樣本很小
的時期；最近合體打得好一點，但樣本還是很小。我還是覺得在季後賽中，有LBJ的經驗
在，勝算會比沒他更高。但數據清楚顯示，沒他時球隊打得好得多不過事實是，不管有沒
有他，我都不覺得他們能在西區鬧出什麼名堂，所以某種程度上這是個假議題。
But what's going on is that the Lakers need LeBron to be Chris Bosh or Kevin
Love. That's what they need. And when you have a ball dominant,
over-dribbling superstar who's also your best scorer, all right, you can only
have one other big scorer. So like when LeBron was that type of player he had
D Wade who was another big scorer. Chris Bosh had to become a role player.
When he had Kyrie in Cleveland, in LeBron and Kyrie can score, Kevin Love has
to become a role player. And with the Lakers it was never an issue because
they only had Anthony Davis as kind of another scorer. Dwight Howard, Rajon
Rondo at that point were different players but they were role players.
但現在的情況是，湖人需要 LeBron 變成 Chris Bosh 或 Kevin Love。 這就是他們需要
的。當你擁有一名極度黏球、愛運球又是頭號得分手的超級巨星時，你身邊只能有「另外
一個」頂尖得分手。就像 LeBron 當年還是那種打法時，他身邊有Wade另一個主要得分手
，所以 Bosh 必須變成綠葉。當他在騎士有 Kyrie 時，他們兩人都能得分，所以 Love必
須變成綠葉。但在(以前的)湖人這從不是問題，因為他們當時只有 Anthony Davis 一
個得分手。那時的 Dwight Howard、Rajon Rondo 是完全不同類型的球員，他們就是綠葉
All right, and so now look at Luka, same type of player, you know,
over-dribbling ball dominant, but big scorer, all that. When he had just
Kyrie as his second scorer and then everybody else was a bunch of role
players, they went to the finals. All right, and now when it's just Austin
Reeves and they and no LeBron, everybody else knows their role, they can have
success. LeBron comes in and he just can't be a role player. Now he's smart
enough to know what I could do, you know, for this team, but 22 years as a
superstar, you can't be a role player. Michael Jordan could not have been a
role player, I don't believe, like once he became after a superstar. Allen
Iverson clearly could not just be a role player.
現在看看 Luka，他是同一類型的球員：愛運球、大核心、頂尖得分手。當他身邊只有
Kyrie 1個得分手，其他人全是綠葉時，他們打進了總決賽。而現在，當場上只有Reaves
和 Luka、沒有 LeBron 時，其他人更清楚自己的角色，他們就能成功。LeBron 進來後，
他就是沒辦法當綠葉。 他夠聰明，知道「我可以為這支球隊做什麼」，但當了 22年超級
巨星，你當不了綠葉。我不相信喬丹或艾佛森在成為超星後，還能轉型當綠葉。
It's hard to do not only because of your, whether it's ego or just you've
been a superstar for so long you can't adjust, but also your stature in the
league and in the history of basketball. The other Lakers outside of Luka,
because Luka is not LeBron, but you know, he's on that superstar level
all-time great himself. Everybody else is deferring to LeBron, even if it's
not physically or consciously, even if LeBron's telling you, do you man, do
your thing, they are looking for cues from him even subconsciously and
looking to see what's he doing and you know, getting permissions, you know,
with your eyes or what, like his presence on the court because of his
greatness and is what he means to basketball. Those other roles, they just
defer naturally.
這很難做到，不僅是因為自尊心，或是因為你當太久巨星而無法調整，還因為你在聯盟和
籃球史上的地位。除了 Luka 以外的其他湖人球員（因為 Luka 雖然不是 LeBron，但他
也是史詩級巨星），其他人會自然而然地向 LeBron 退讓。即使不是生理或意識上的，就
算 LeBron 親口對你說「兄弟，做你自己、打你的球」，他們潛意識裡還是在觀察他的眼
色、尋求他的許可，因為他的存在感和歷史意義太強大了。其他人會自然地退縮。
Austin Reeves defers naturally to LeBron James, even if you say, oh Austin's
shooting, he's dribbling without LeBron. No, he's still looking to LeBron for
cues and stuff. And so when LeBron's not there, you saw yesterday, like
everybody kind of fits into a role when LeBron's not there and they're
playing freer and stuff. So that's really to me what's going on in LA. Yeah.
Austin Reaves 看到 LeBron 就會自然地退讓。即使你說「喔，Austin 在 LeBron 不在
時會投籃、會運球」，但他其實還是在找 LeBron 的訊號。所以當 LeBron 不在場時，就
像你們昨天看到的，每個人都各司其職，打得更自由、更奔放。對我來說，這就是洛杉磯
現在的情況。
Danny: And there's no way that even if he wanted to, that at this stage of
his career with his skillset that he could like play like Chris Bosh. I love
LeBron. Yeah.
而且即便老詹想這樣做，在他職業生涯的這個階段、以他的球技，他也沒辦法打得像
Chris Bosh。我愛 LeBron，但是...
Chris: And I don't so much mean Chris playing style, but I know the role
play. Yeah. But he could, he could, he could say, I'm, I will post
up. I will, I can set the screen for Luka and roll to the basket or pop.
Like he could go into that role, but I just don't think
我指的不是 Bosh 的打法，而是「角色」。他其實做得到，他可以說「我會去低位、我會
幫 Luka 擋拆後下滑或拉開空間」，他技術上做得到，但我就是不認為他會想這麼做。
https://i.meee.com.tw/FfsjtmQ.png
Kevin: he just has so much gravity on the court 他在場上的牽制力實在太強了
Danny: Listen, I'm not, if the Lakers are better without LeBron, to me, that
is an indictment on the Lakers. Like it's an indictment on how they've put
the team together because you knew what you had coming into the year. You
knew it was year 23 from LeBron. You knew Luka's defensive limitations. You
knew Austin Reeves is defensive limitations. And you're right. I dug into it,
like just to take a look. And the sample size is really not overwhelming.
Cause 9 of the 11 games that they missed were in back in October and November
when they were trying to figure it out. But this is the Lakers this season
with Reeves and Luka and no LeBron. Yes, they're nine and two, but are they
actually good or are they just beating the bad teams? Like have the win just
beat a good team. And the, but the Knicks shot 24% from three. They normally
are 37, 38% three. They had an awful day shooting. Their wins are against the
Wolves, Grizzlies, Heat, Hornets, Pelicans, Bucks, Pelicans, Pacers, and then
the Knicks just yesterday. Because if you just look at, take, take Reeves and
Luka out of it, this is LeBron. Yes, LeBron. No. The numbers are pretty
similar. Like I'm just, I'm just not convinced that because they're nine and
two without LeBron, it means LeBron is the problem. It could just be that of
course those three guys don't fit together. So any combination of the two
with more role players, more defensive guys.
聽著，如果湖人真的在沒有 LeBron 的情況下比較好，那在我看來，這其實是在打臉湖人
自己。 這是在說他們的陣容配置本來就有問題。 因為你開季前就知道你手上有什麼牌。
你知道這是 LeBron 第 23 年了。你知道 Luka 的防守限制。你也知道Austin的防守限制
。 而且你說得對，我也有特地去看了一下數據，這個樣本其實沒有那麼有說服力。因為
他們缺陣的 11 場裡，有 9 場是發生在 10 月跟 11 月，那時候球隊本來就在磨合。
這是本季湖人在 Reaves 跟 Luka 上場、LeBron 不打 的情況下的表現。
對，他們是 9 勝 2 敗，但他們真的有那麼強嗎？還是只是剛好都在打爛隊？
他們有真的贏過幾支強隊嗎？而且那場打尼克，尼克三分球命中率只有 24%，但他們平常
可是有 37%、38% 的水準，那天根本就是外線大當機。
他們贏的對手有灰狼、灰熊、熱火、黃蜂、鵜鶘、公鹿、鵜鶘、溜馬，然後就是昨天的尼
克。如果你把 Reaves 跟 Luka 先拿掉，單看 LeBron 在／不在 的數據，其實差不多。
所以我真的不相信，因為他們 9 勝 2 敗沒有 LeBron，就代表 LeBron 是問題。
更有可能只是這三個人本來就不適合一起搭。所以任何「兩人組合 + 更多角色球員 +
更多防守型球員」的配置，都可能打得更順
https://i.meee.com.tw/IzGDEMA.png
Kevin: Where's the, I mean, I think to Bruce's point, I know you were joking
around like they're not worse. Is that a fair takeaway from this graphic?
針對 Chris 說的「他們沒有變差」，看這張數據圖表，這個結論是合理的嗎？
Danny: Yeah, I think, I think that's fine. But would they be, would
they be worse without Austin Reeves without like
對，我覺得結論沒錯。但如果沒了 Austin Reaves，他們會變差嗎？
Chris: well, I mean, the numbers show that Luka and LeBron are having been as
successful as Luka and Reeves.
嗯... 數據顯示 Luka 和 LeBron 的搭檔表現，確實不如 Luka 和 Reaves。
Danny: And I think at this stage of his career with where he is with him
being a clear number two with how similar Luka and LeBron's games are, I
think that that makes total sense. But LeBron's averaging what 21 points, six
rebounds, seven assists on decent efficiency. Now his shooting is a little
bit lower the three ball than he would like. Like LeBron is still a good
player. Of course he should. It's all about fit. That's what I'm saying. So
the roster construction with any of the, any machination of these puzzle
pieces that JJ Reddick can put together, you're not going to get a great team.
我覺得在老詹職涯的這個階段、且身為明確的二號位，加上他和 Luka 打法如此相似，這
完全合理。但老詹現在場均還是 21 分、6 籃板、7 助攻，效率也不錯（雖然三分球比他
預想的低一點）。LeBron 依舊是個好球員，這完全是適配性的問題。
無論 JJ Redick 怎麼排列組合這些拼圖，這套陣容都不可能成為一支偉大的球隊。
備註
大膽 竟敢叫皇上當綠葉
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