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[外絮] 名嘴: MJ讓NBA全球化 LBJ讓NBA變得Mobile

看板NBA (美國籃球)作者 (usmarine2008)時間1小時前 (2026/03/25 21:55), 1小時前編輯推噓50(54推 4噓 123→)
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18:20開始 知名體育媒體人Colin Cowherd 跟Nick Wright討論MJ vs LBJ Colin: an interesting comment this week, and it wasn't a shot at LeBron, but obviously you think of LeBron when KD said, "Michael Jordan's bigger than basketball." And and I I've always said, "Magic and Bird saved the NBA. Michael made it global. LeBron made it mobile. And it was thinking about that and I want your thoughts on this. First of all, your thoughts because I have one. Your thoughts on KD saying like like Michael Jordan's above basketball. They'll always be great players. They'll never be Michael. Your thoughts? 這禮拜有個很有趣的評論，這並不是在針對LBJ，但當 KD說「MJ的地位高於籃球本身」時 ，你很難不想到 LeBron。 我常說 Magic Bird救了 NBA，Michael讓它走向全球，而 LeBron讓它進入了行動化時代 我想聽聽你的看法。KD 說 Michael Jordan 是凌駕於籃球之上的，未來永遠會有偉大的 球員，但永遠不會再有下一個 Michael。你怎麼看？ Nick： Yeah. I mean, like you talked about the the saving of the NBA with Magic and Bird. like they brought it back from the brink, but MJ was what made the sport as culturally resonant at as it is now. 對我覺得就像你剛剛講的，Magic&Bird 把 NBA 從懸崖邊拉了回來，讓聯盟起死回生 但 MJ 才是真正讓這項運動在文化層面產生如今這麼大共鳴的人。 Colin: He made it cool 他讓籃球變得很酷。 Nick Yeah. And like I know that you know, you hear a lot of like LeBron verse MJ stuff in the media. You hear a lot of LeBron vers MJ stuff from fans, but talk tobasketball players. You're not going to find a basketball player that doesn't revere Michael Jordan. Like there's it's just such an important part of your basketball development. Watching his footage. Like I was a LeBron fan. I grew up a LeBron fan. LeBron's the reason I fell in love with basketball. You don't have any idea how many times I went and watched Michael Jordan's top 100 plays on YouTube. Like it just the way that that like shaped my entire love for the game of basketball. It's just there's a there there's a certain there's a certain aura and a history that surrounds him that is insurmountable for even a guy likes LeBron. And I think there I think we've seen that with LeBron almost manifest in in I I don't want to call it insecurity cuz it just it manifests in like a reaction from him where like he'll often like promote himself as if as in some sort of effort to try to reach that level. But the reality is there's a certain amount of like he was the first guy like that and there will never be another first guy like that. 是的。我知道在媒體上或球迷之間，常會聽到很多 LeBron 還是 MJ 誰更強的爭論。但你 去問籃球員，你找不到任何一個不崇拜 Michael Jordan 的球員。那是籃球成長過程中極 其重要的一部分，就是看他的比賽錄影。 我本身就是 LeBron 的球迷，我是看著 LeBron 長大並因此愛上籃球的。但你無法想像我 曾在 YouTube 上看了多少次 Michael Jordan 的百大進球。那種感覺形塑了我對籃球這 項運動的熱愛。他身上有一種特殊的光環和歷史感，那是連LeBron這樣的人都難以逾越的 我覺得我們在 LeBron 身上看到了一種，我不想稱之為「自卑感」，但那體現在他的一種 反應中：他常會自我推銷，彷彿在努力試圖達到那個高度。但現實是，MJ 是開創先河的 第一人，而這種「第一人」的位置永遠不會再有第二個了。 Colin: Also there was no social media. Part of what makes Michael fascinating was that we didn’t know about his private life There weren’t the platforms, so you needed his basketball, and his fashion That was your gateway to knowing Michael. You didn't know about his marriage, you didn't know about his private life. We get so much of LeBron now. Like I know so much, like I know where he lives. And so, it it doesn't feel special. It's like Jack Nicholson always had a theory. Don't go make people go to the theater to watch your work. Don't go on Johnny Carson. Don't go on Letterman. Make them go to the theater. I don't know if Michael thought about that, but you had to either buy Michael shoes or go to his game. That's how you heard saw Michael's greatness. LeBron's everywhere.And so, I do think there's a mystery that that there's nothing LeBron could have done about that. It's just there's a mystery about Michael and a uniqueness where I can watch the Laker game, go to YouTube, watch the highlights, go to TikTok, watch the extra highlights. Like when Michael, if think about it, I mean, when Michael first came into the league, you couldn't watch their games. You didn't get I mean, if he played certain nights, Michael scores 48. Unless Sports Center gave me like three baskets, I couldn't even watch the highlights until the playoffs. So, I don't think you can, you know, I just think Michael had in a strange way a privacy advantage that made every time you saw him play special. That's not LeBron's fault. 而且當時沒有社群媒體。Michael Jordan 吸引人的一部分原因在於我們對他的私生活一 無所知。當時沒有那些平台，所以你只能透過他的球技和時尚來了解他，那是你接觸 Michael 的唯一管道。你不知道他的婚姻狀況，不了解他的私生活。 現在我們對 LeBron 了解太多了。我知道太多細節，連他住哪裡都知道。所以那種「特別 感」消失了。這就像 Jack Nicholson 有個理論：別讓大家輕易見到你，要讓他們為了看 你的作品進戲院。別去上 Johnny Carson 或 Letterman 的脫口秀，讓他們進戲院看你。 我不確定 Michael 是否刻意這樣想，但當年你要麼買 Michael 的鞋，要麼去看他的比賽 ，那是你見證 Michael 偉大之處的唯二方式。而 LeBron 無處不在。所以我認為 Michael 身上有一種神祕感和獨特性，這是 LeBron 無法改變的現狀。 現在我可以看湖人的比賽，然後去 YouTube 看精華，再去Tik Tok看更多片段。回想一下 當Michael 剛進聯盟時，你甚至沒辦法看到每一場比賽。如果 Michael 某晚拿了48分 除非 SportsCenter 剪了三顆進球給我看，否則我直到季後賽前甚至連精華都看不到。 所以我覺得 Michael 在某種程度上有種「隱私優勢」，讓每次看他打球都顯得格外珍貴 這不是 LeBron 的錯。 Nick: I'd even ext extend that to what's happening on the court in the sense that like can you imagine if Michael Jordan's two Washington Wizards years took place during Twitter and every time he took a defensive possession off every time he got back cut every time he didn't box out every like like that's the crazy part is LeBron has had his entire like age 38 39 40 41 seasons be micro-analyzed on a possession possession basis through clips on Twitter and it's Like reality is is we're seeing something completely unprecedented for a guy his age, but because it's being micro-analyzed in many ways, it's like, oh, here are all the ways that LeBron's dropping the ball. Here are all the ways that LeBron is not coming through for his team. And I almost feel bad for him in that sense because I just can I can only imagine if I micro-analyzed every possession of Michael's Wizards tenure, how ugly it would have been at times. 我甚至可以把這點延伸到球場上的表現。你能想像如果 MJ在巫師的那兩年發生在 Twitter 時代嗎？如果他每次防守偷懶、每次被後門空切、每次沒卡位都被放大檢視…… 最瘋狂的地方在於，LeBron 在 38、39、40、41 歲球季的每一波球權，都被人在 Twitter 上用影片逐一微觀分析。現實是，我們正在見證一個球員在這種年紀展現出史無 前例的表現，但因為被過度分析，大家反而會說：「喔，你看 LeBron 這裡掉球了，那裡 沒能挺身而出。」在這一點上我挺替他感到難過的，因為我完全可以想像，如果當年我們 也這樣微觀分析 Michael 在 Wizards 時期的每一波球權，有些畫面肯定也會很難看。 備註 學到了一個金句 Magic and Bird saved the NBA. Michael made it global. LeBron made it mobile. Mobile是在偷嘴LBJ到處轉隊XD -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.248.247.57 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1774446939.A.EDF.html ※ 編輯: usnavyseal (111.248.247.57 臺灣), 03/25/2026 21:57:00
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03/25 21:58, 1小時前 , 1F
自卑感貼切 而MJ面對的媒體惡意絕對不比現在輕鬆
03/25 21:58, 1F
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03/25 21:59, 1小時前 , 2F
不用當年，現在也可以微觀分析MJ在巫師的每一波球權
03/25 21:59, 2F
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03/25 21:59, 1小時前 , 3F
阿就是找不到很難看的畫面阿。
03/25 21:59, 3F
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03/25 22:00, 1小時前 , 4F
MJ就不會偷跑快攻放隊友4打5
03/25 22:00, 4F
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03/25 22:00, 1小時前 , 5F
問題就是MJ那兩年防守沒偷懶啊
03/25 22:00, 5F
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03/25 22:00, 1小時前 , 6F
可是MJ沒有偷懶啊 當年巫師是甚麼超爛隊
03/25 22:00, 6F
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03/25 22:00, 1小時前 , 7F
那兩年MJ有沒有上，巫師防守完全是兩個等級
03/25 22:00, 7F
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03/25 22:01, 1小時前 , 8F
姆斯會去那種球隊嗎
03/25 22:01, 8F
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03/25 22:01, 1小時前 , 9F
LBJ就愛出風頭啊 喜歡上節目開直播講政治議題 然後
03/25 22:01, 9F
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03/25 22:01, 1小時前 , 10F
不是你沒有找就代表人家有偷懶耶，挖，和主子一個樣
03/25 22:01, 10F
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03/25 22:02, 1小時前 , 11F
確實 雙重標準檢視 新球迷只看MJ的高光 過度神話
03/25 22:02, 11F
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03/25 22:02, 1小時前 , 12F
這樣對LBJ不公平
03/25 22:02, 12F
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03/25 22:03, 1小時前 , 13F
等等會有不如意的發言了XDD
03/25 22:03, 13F
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03/25 22:03, 1小時前 , 14F
詹姆斯觀察員
03/25 22:03, 14F
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03/25 22:04, 1小時前 , 15F
NBA最醜的畫面就是向裁判下跪還有偷跑到前場眼睜睜
03/25 22:04, 15F
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03/25 22:04, 1小時前 , 16F
看隊友被人摘爆籃板補籃
03/25 22:04, 16F
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03/25 22:04, 1小時前 , 17F
講的好像LBJ的高光沒人吹一樣
03/25 22:04, 17F
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03/25 22:04, 1小時前 , 18F
不公平?幹一堆行銷把聚光燈聚集在自己身上供大家檢
03/25 22:04, 18F
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03/25 22:05, 1小時前 , 19F
就不要跟mj比 跟kobe年老比 也是遠遠不如
03/25 22:05, 19F
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03/25 22:05, 1小時前 , 20F
kobe就是生活在社群時代了
03/25 22:05, 20F
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03/25 22:05, 1小時前 , 21F
視不是求仁得仁嗎?要不然和TD一樣低調過日子啊 肯嗎
03/25 22:05, 21F
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03/25 22:05, 1小時前 , 22F
呃，現在不是老有RMBJ迷看個影就41歲怎樣怎樣的花邊
03/25 22:05, 22F
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03/25 22:06, 1小時前 , 23F
Big big big 膽！
03/25 22:06, 23F
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03/25 22:06, 1小時前 , 24F
喔，好，沒有看高光，平行世界嘛。
03/25 22:06, 24F
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03/25 22:06, 1小時前 , 25F
每次都要公開立人設然後翻車 再來怪大家過度檢驗
03/25 22:06, 25F
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03/25 22:06, 1小時前 , 26F
而且，90年代到底誰對MJ私生活一無所知？MJ在牌桌上
03/25 22:06, 26F
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03/25 22:07, 1小時前 , 27F
這就是老樣子的招數 我只去跟mj比
03/25 22:07, 27F
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03/25 22:07, 1小時前 , 28F
輸了mj也不羞愧 但是只要能污辱mj一句就賺
03/25 22:07, 28F
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03/25 22:07, 1小時前 , 29F
輸錢這件事，也不是在MJ退休時才被爆出來阿。他打尼
03/25 22:07, 29F
噓
03/25 22:07, 1小時前 , 30F
Nick Wright 死忠姆媒
03/25 22:07, 30F
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03/25 22:08, 1小時前 , 31F
克前一晚去大西洋城賭博這事，紐約媒體罵得可爽了
03/25 22:08, 31F
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03/25 22:08, 1小時前 , 32F
怎不說KD讓NBA Social Media化
03/25 22:08, 32F
噓
03/25 22:09, 1小時前 , 33F
沒有母獅,NBA球星也會上Youtube
03/25 22:09, 33F
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03/25 22:09, 1小時前 , 34F
反正那些不喜歡MJ的人 就繼續依然故我
03/25 22:09, 34F
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03/25 22:09, 1小時前 , 35F
母獅留給籃球的完全就是負面教材
03/25 22:09, 35F
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03/25 22:10, 1小時前 , 36F
怎麼不想想LBJ所作所為 一直碰瓷MJ 啊為何那種評價
03/25 22:10, 36F
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03/25 22:10, 1小時前 , 37F
就是沒法扭轉
03/25 22:10, 37F
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03/25 22:11, 1小時前 , 38F
是齁 原來是賣手機的啊
03/25 22:11, 38F
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03/25 22:11, 1小時前 , 39F
行動化？不就走步
03/25 22:11, 39F
還有 102 則推文
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03/25 23:07, 35分鐘前 , 142F
R.Hamilton不是就只是回到他該地SG位置嗎??
03/25 23:07, 142F
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03/25 23:07, 35分鐘前 , 143F
得太誇張的說法 XD
03/25 23:07, 143F
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03/25 23:07, 35分鐘前 , 144F
人家知道被噴是因為自己爛 不像有些人等人過世了才
03/25 23:07, 144F
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03/25 23:07, 35分鐘前 , 145F
敢出來在那講些有的沒的
03/25 23:07, 145F
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03/25 23:09, 33分鐘前 , 146F
Kwame Brown形容MJ Kobe練習時強度就拉滿很好笑
03/25 23:09, 146F
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03/25 23:10, 32分鐘前 , 147F
因為MJ跟Kobe就把球隊扛在自己身上阿...你有看過輸
03/25 23:10, 147F
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03/25 23:11, 31分鐘前 , 148F
也不需要講到下跪 光跳投動作就夠醜了
03/25 23:11, 148F
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03/25 23:11, 31分鐘前 , 149F
練習就1打2 後仰歪來歪去投籃
03/25 23:11, 149F
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03/25 23:11, 31分鐘前 , 150F
比賽後，MJ跟Kobe的隊友在那邊陰陽MJ跟Kobe的嗎？
03/25 23:11, 150F
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03/25 23:12, 30分鐘前 , 151F
阿LBJ就是輸球後隊友在那陰陽LBJ沒在防守
03/25 23:12, 151F
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03/25 23:12, 30分鐘前 , 152F
回去看當時第二次復出的背景吧 巫師票房戰績慘淡 加
03/25 23:12, 152F
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03/25 23:12, 30分鐘前 , 153F
上911恐攻 他等於是出來拉抬巫師票房跟穩定美國人
03/25 23:12, 153F
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03/25 23:12, 30分鐘前 , 154F
心的 他象徵的意義就是這麼偉大 他的身手跟隊戰績
03/25 23:12, 154F
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03/25 23:12, 30分鐘前 , 155F
的影響力已經差多了 但就是能激勵很多人 連華爾街也
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03/25 23:12, 30分鐘前 , 156F
因為他復出得益
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03/25 23:13, 29分鐘前 , 157F
小蟲說MJ沒什麼給他壓力
03/25 23:13, 157F
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03/25 23:14, 28分鐘前 , 158F
姆咪也是拿姆斯幾個好球精華就吹上天 還好意思說啊
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03/25 23:15, 27分鐘前 , 159F
套句母咪最後提的一球一球剪
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03/25 23:16, 26分鐘前 , 160F
這麼看mj不爽 可以把mj偷懶的剪一剪
03/25 23:16, 160F
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03/25 23:16, 26分鐘前 , 161F
MJ對自己要求最高 應該是那些跟不上的球員才有壓力
03/25 23:16, 161F
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03/25 23:16, 26分鐘前 , 162F
甚至可以創個佐登觀察員的yt賺流量
03/25 23:16, 162F
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03/25 23:16, 26分鐘前 , 163F
都已經打到NBA了 要怎麼沒壓力的打
03/25 23:16, 163F
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03/25 23:16, 26分鐘前 , 164F
請勿陷入自證陷阱
03/25 23:16, 164F
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03/25 23:17, 25分鐘前 , 165F
然後還可以弄一首歌 佐登佐登 醒一醒
03/25 23:17, 165F
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03/25 23:17, 25分鐘前 , 166F
反觀姆斯只有打不過就多次烙跑組團 帶給年輕人的只
03/25 23:17, 166F
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03/25 23:17, 25分鐘前 , 167F
有娘娘腔的兄弟籃球 你好我好大家好 贏了我好棒輸了
03/25 23:17, 167F
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03/25 23:17, 25分鐘前 , 168F
那只是籃球而已
03/25 23:17, 168F
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03/25 23:18, 24分鐘前 , 169F
樂邦那種自己防守放空 卻狂噴隊友防守 才叫給壓力
03/25 23:18, 169F
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03/25 23:19, 23分鐘前 , 170F
整天精算利益最大化 報團刷冠軍揚言not7 4年2冠就逃
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03/25 23:19, 23分鐘前 , 171F
了還not7
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03/25 23:19, 23分鐘前 , 172F
快攻時也追在隊友後面給壓力
03/25 23:19, 172F
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03/25 23:19, 23分鐘前 , 173F
本版就有一個gif專家啊 這篇不就講到他這種行為了
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03/25 23:19, 23分鐘前 , 174F
笑死
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03/25 23:20, 22分鐘前 , 175F
被馬刺打跑 被勇士打跑 現在要被湖人丟棄了
03/25 23:20, 175F
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03/25 23:22, 20分鐘前 , 176F
跟MJ的壓力能拿冠 樂邦給的壓力是要吸數據
03/25 23:22, 176F
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03/25 23:22, 20分鐘前 , 177F
還要警告隊友別搶他的籃板
03/25 23:22, 177F
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03/25 23:24, 18分鐘前 , 178F
笑死 不用找古人啦 現代哪個球員有像姆斯這麼多素材
03/25 23:24, 178F
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03/25 23:24, 18分鐘前 , 179F
要集百家之短真的只有姆斯欸
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03/25 23:24, 18分鐘前 , 180F
反觀MJ會讓小蟲拿籃板 幫他保持籃板王頭銜
03/25 23:24, 180F
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03/25 23:26, 16分鐘前 , 181F
而且MJ不投關鍵球還會在暫停時就先講XD
03/25 23:26, 181F
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